View Full Version : Sanguine Base is BROWN when I put it over a black undercoat...
03-19-2012, 11:12 AM
Topic. Whenever I prime black and want my basecoat to be sanguine base, it's a very blah looking brown. Nothing purple or red about it. When I put it over a white primer, it takes an insane amount of coats for it to not be patchy, but gets that purple look that I'm looking for.
Anyone else experience this? Any tips to make my SB not so BROWN? Thinking possible prime a maroon color and then wash SB.... or maybe it would be best to add the shadows of SB AFTER I have put on a midtone (kind of how to faction books describe how to paint Khador).
03-19-2012, 11:17 AM
apply another layer to form a richer base over black, apply over grey base, or multiple thinner base coats over white.
certain tones can definitely be difficult to work with, often the redish purple spectrum tends to be in them.
03-19-2012, 11:21 AM
Do you think a wash of Sanguine Base over a maroon primer (the rustoleum red primer) would maintain it's purplish/red tint? or maybe a black undercoat would be okay, but lay down a solid red base and THEN wash so it would be going over an opaque bright red rather than black?
03-19-2012, 11:22 AM
Are you alternating brush directions when you use white primer?
I hear this fairly often, and most folks aren't changing their brush strokes on each layer.
03-19-2012, 11:26 AM
I do not. I will definitely take that into account next time! I'm still not sure how I Want to go about painting my army of Blood Angels - and I'm almost done with it =( I'm running out of simple green! I want to get my reds figured out before I paint my Khador models that are sitting on my shelf staring at me....
03-19-2012, 11:40 AM
Paint a blayer of red or purple over the primer depending on which way you want to lean, doesn't have to be very thick at all, just enough to be not painting directly on the black, or I also agree multiple thin layers. THIN, like five coats to get total coverage.
Edit: If it's a BA army then prime a deep red, not black, will make your job soooo much easier.
Red primer or hell, even red spray paint can work too. Army Painter (if you can get them) makes some really good modeling spray paints (as does Tamiya, though those are sometimes harder to get). Otherwise I'd go with the multiple coats of thinned down red.
03-20-2012, 11:32 AM
Have you tried using a grey primer?
03-20-2012, 12:54 PM
Any type of red, even those with good coverage, will struggle to cover black primer. Gray or White primer will help.
Also are you shaking the pot well before use or thinning the paint?
03-20-2012, 02:13 PM
I actually started using grey primer but I usually use black or white these days (I just loaned my can of grey primer to my wife's brother who I just converted to our hobby, as I find it to be a happy medium for beginners). Nothing against grey primer, I just don't have any in my possession right now. What I did with a test model was paint it up Khador Red Base to a very solid/strong coat and then washed it with Sanguine Base/"mixing medium". It looks purple-y, however, I'm not satisfied with the shade.
For space marines, I will be switching back to leviathan purple/whatever the heck they are calling it with the re-release. For my Khador warjacks, I'll just build up a nice solid coat of Khador Red base in very thin layers work up from sanguine base, then sanguine highlight, san h/l:khador red base 1:1, and then 2:1, and ten pure khador red base, and then just ink the crap out of it when it invariably comes out orange (as for some reason it always does when I layer). I am just having to re-gear my entire mindset with painting miniatures. Doing things the long way on "small" minis such as space marines does not seem worth the time to mess much with blending, whereas the large areas warjack shoulders, I'm looking at you) look GREAT with the more "realistic" blending. Sanguine base definitely has a nice purple tone when it is thinned down to a glaze consistency and then slowly built up into a shadow over Khador Red Base.
03-20-2012, 02:29 PM
And that is why I always advocate using a grey primer.
03-21-2012, 06:52 AM
Actually, what I am thinking of doing at my lunch break is going to resupply my white primer, base coating the model sanguine h/l, wash badab black or leviathan purple (and try to stick to the recesses to make my next stage easier), reclaim with sanguine h/l leaving the wash in the deep receseses, then start applying the khador red base.
Khador red base over mechrite red just looks funky.
I'm actually starting to have a problem with KRB that I didn't have before... painting straight from the pot = bad, of course - it's all goopy and blotchy and then dries like that. However, if I add the tiniest bit of water, it turns into a globby mess and runs all over the place and dries super funky.
UGH!! My hobby is driving me crazy lately...
03-21-2012, 11:00 AM
Try mixing the red with something else for a base.
If its having trouble for me, usually I'll do what painters do and combine colors.
Like sanguine base goes well with blood stone or some other sort of color.
Then go over that with what you want.
Or sanguine base + grey has worked as well.
Anything to do it all in steps.
03-23-2012, 06:26 AM
Grey primer worked like a charm. Thanks guys.
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