Black Dragon IFP

[nerdkingdan]

Edit found the answer to my first Question

Is it best have both IFP or have them set up to switch with magnets?

[ForestZ]

Just swap the UA. We went around and around on this for days until Jen finally cleared it up for SR rules.

[nerdkingdan]

I found it right after I posted.

Still wondering if I shoul plan on both?

[Saekyn]

I don't use either, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think I'd use two of the same unit in a single list, even if they have different UAs. I'd try to fill another niche in the army, like using Kayazy or WGI.

[nerdkingdan]

I have only played 9 games so far, most included the death star, I see how my oponets win or lose by the simple question of can they take on the death star? Now i am trying to figure out new ways to play, to improve my game and keep my foes guessing.

[rivenwyrm]

Usually it's better to diversify your army as you're starting out. I've been playing Khador for more than a year, and I only have doubles of the plastic jack kit and Manhunters. Having 20 pts of the same thing on the table, including Ironfang Pikemen, leaves you very matchup dependent. Either they can handle it, or they can't. Mix it up a bit more and you can get some fun combos going.

[Col_Festus]

Pick up the black dragons. Personally I think they are better than normal IFP in most situations. The only reason I ever look to regular IFP is if I want pathfinder on the charge. Iron zeal IMO does the same thing as normal IFP but better. Also with Saxon around pathfinder becomes a non-issue. Just my 2 cents.

[swirly]

Just swap the UA. We went around and around on this for days until Jen finally cleared it up for SR rules.

Soooo does this mean just the UA needs to change?

I went through and changed all the shields and the standard when it was released. They're great, but I sometimes want the old UA for reinforcements and movement shenanigans. Should I get another UA and swap them? Can I play the old UA with a unit full of BD shields?

[Col_Festus]

Soooo does this mean just the UA needs to change?

I went through and changed all the shields and the standard when it was released. They're great, but I sometimes want the old UA for reinforcements and movement shenanigans. Should I get another UA and swap them? Can I play the old UA with a unit full of BD shields?

It's been officially ruled that the only thing that needs to change is the UA. So you can have a UA with black dragon shields/banner with normal IFP and they will be black dragon ifp. On the other side of the fence you can have Iron Fangs with Black Dragon shields and a normal UA and they are normal Iron Fang Pikeman.

[drachenfels]

i thought it was the other way around... im pretty sure current steamroller rules still say:

"Models/units with upgrade blisters are an exception to the standard model conversion rules in a number of ways. Because the parts in these blisters define an entirely separate set of stats and abilities,"

"Additionally, once a model/unit has been converted, it can only be fielded as that model/unit."

"Lastly, in the case of unit attachment or weapon attachment upgrade, the model(s) that use the upgrade stat card must follow these rules to be legal for tournament use, but the base unit follows the standard conversion policy for warrior model conversions, above. For example, a Black Dragon Officer & Standard must always use the Black Dragon upgrade stat card and an Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard must always use the Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard stat card, but an Iron Fang Pikemen unit without a UA uses its standard stat card whether or not they have Black Dragon shields (or any other reasonable conversion)"

not sure what thread jen was quoted in, but those are direct from the SR-conversion policy

[swirly]

That's awesome. The black dragon shields look way better than regular shields anyway. I'll just get the standard UA again and paint it up separately for defensive formation goodness.

[ReaverQueen]

Jen essentially overruled that it doesn't really matter as long as the UA itself is accurate.


So the BD UA has to have BD shields, and that's it. The rest of the unit can have either. ( Both standards need to be accurate as well for each respective UA, of course. )

[Nirvanawn]

Link? To Jen

[HeadHunter]

Well, it would seem obvious to me that a unit of IFP without the BD UA would be just IFP, regardless of what they look like. So what ReaverQueen said makes sense.

[ReaverQueen]

Yeah. The thing that was confusing was that you can use all BDIFP shields and then regular anvil shields on the UA and its still legal.


But obviously what PPS says goes. lol

[drachenfels]

does anyone have this mysterious post made by Jen just to be certain?

[reaper2zero]

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?93802-Black-Dragon-UA-attached-to-regular-Iron-Fang-Pikemen-unit-in-SR2012&highlight=black+dragon

Last post of the thread.

[Trihnicus]

The difference between Black Dragon IFP and Regular IFP does not exist. They have the same stats and the same rules. As per your own citation It doesn't matter what stat card you use as it is the same stat card.

I think you DO need to have both sets of UA to swap them out but it is the gear on the UA itself which is important to that particular rule since it is what changes any stats the unit may have.

[drachenfels]

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?93802-Black-Dragon-UA-attached-to-regular-Iron-Fang-Pikemen-unit-in-SR2012&highlight=black+dragon

Last post of the thread.

and thats all we were looking for. thank you.