Reasurgence tourney win with vyros!!!

[richard]

So our tourny was saturday feb 20th and i came out on top with my jack heavy vyros list and as a primary rahn player i gta say vyros is growing on me. The list was at 25pts for round 1 35 rd 2 and 50 rounds 3 and 4.

25pts
Dawnlord Vyros
2xHydras
1xManticore
2xArcanist
1xMage hunter assasin solo.

35pts
1xMage hunter solo
(min) sentinels and UA

50pts
1xDawnguard scyir
Marshalled pheonix
upgrade to full sentinels

All in all it was a great tourney with ample showing from all the factions. my games were a blast each round and everyone was a great sport. got to play against cygnar, protectorate, mercs, and retribution. i may have posted this in the wrong thread if so if someone can move it for me it would be appreciated. I know i included the army list but just wanted to show that vyros is actually pretty awesome.

[Stevo]

Marshaled Phoenix? How did that work out for you?

I'm a Vyros fan, have been since the beginning. Your lists are pretty intriguing. Any special insights for running this many Myrmidons?

[richard]

Yea well in round 4 the marshaled phoenix cleared the center control zone for me using combustion and killing all the housegaurd riflemen. I really liked the marshaled pheonix it hits hard and regens its force generator shield each maintenence phase and i just cant see me channeling to many of vyroses spells. well after i read vyros and gave it some thought mobility hit me in the face having 3 heavys just seemed like a good idea the manticore for a super trample if needed and the hydras BC of the threat range they have with mobility, birds eye and 3 focus. Thats 23 inches of danger my opponents have to watch out for ignoring cloud effects, forest and opposing models. that usually forces them into a play mistake (as i made sure to explain everything to my opponent at the beggining of the game). All in all i just really think vyros runs the myrmidons really well .

[Stevo]

I agree totally. I don't understand the Vyros hate, or the idea that we don't have a Jack caster. There is a Myrmidon that Vyros doesn't love.

[Steampunk Jim]

Vyros is not a jack caster. I'm not saying Vyros is good or not, but he's certainly not a jack caster. Look at casters like Amon, Karchev, Butcher, etc to see what a real jack caster looks like. They have spells and abilities that make jacks absolutely brutal with little to no focus. Vyros doesn't. Sure, he has his feat, but his feat is kinda garbage. It's like other feats, except you actually have to work really hard to make it as effective as other feats. eNemo's feat blows it out of the freaking water.


Good or bad, a jack caster Vyros is not.

[fluffsies]

Vyros is a justicar caster :D.

"Vyros is allocating focus to Vyros. Vyros will now eat you."

[richard]

I am aware there are casters that run jacks better than vyros as i also play khador and have a regular opponent that only knows karchev but i still like vyros with myrmidons im going to try him with some different stuff to but i definatly like him with three heavys. I am sure he has other armys he likes better than what i run him with but i still think jacks arent bad with him.

[Demeritus]

I have to 2nd Werecat here with the exception of his feat being bad. Vyros is combined at arms and is a jack buddy but he is not a jack caster at least when you look at people like Amon, E-Nemo, Karchev, and so on. Jack Casters allow warjacks to surpass their previous limits of being a drain on the warcaster and as such the Warcasters use force multipliers to make the jacks do more.

He does well with jacks and Birds Eye is an awesome passive. I do like me some Vyros but I also want a jack caster. This is not to say he is stronger or weaker as that's all preference but he does lack some of the necessities to be called a jack caster. He is as I said a jack buddy due to spells like Mobility, Hallowed Avenger as well as his feat and Birds Eye and jacks run well with him as a result.

My view of a jack caster is someone who reduces the weaknesses of the warjacks and makes each one amazing with minimal focus per jack. Spells like Full Throttle and Unearthly Rage are prime examples of making your jacks do more with minimal focus and may Menoth, Scyrah, Morrow, or whoever you pray to help your opponent if you do have focus on the jack.

Also Fluff, with Vyros' feat, he cannot allocate focus to himself.

[fluffsies]

Yeah I know, I meant that last sentence in the spirit of Vyros is more of a beastick than he is a jack supporter. With flank on the charge he hits awfully hard with boosted rolls.

I rarely get to use his feat to full effect. Its really far too situational and relies on RNG too much to my liking.

[amphoterik]

Vyros is a justicar caster :D.

"Vyros is allocating focus to Vyros. Vyros will now eat you."

Sig'd (10 chars)

[Philoclass]

I watched that game with you and the other Ret player. I was pleasantly surprised by Vyros in that game and how fast you play. I guess being a former guard player pays off. I thought your strategy was simple and effective, blow up Rahn's Arc nodes and control points for objective win. Nice I might even bring Vyros out for a test run now.

[1oldjedi]

I don't think Vyros' feat is all that bad. It was made for Hydra asassinations (Use the force...cannon LOL!).

Load up your Hydras the turn you are about to charge with everything and pop feat. Activate all other killy units such as sentinals, MHAs etc... then blast away the opponent's warcaster with ridiculous magical ranged attacks that ignore LOS. Hydras can only be allocated 3 focus, but they can end up gaining much more for the force cannon through their own Kinetic Capacitor coupled with Perfect Execution from big V.

This tactic may not be as effective against a fury camping warlock, but you can attempt to put the "Nayl" in the coffin (love puns) in that situation.

[amphoterik]

I don't think Vyros' feat is all that bad. It was made for Hydra asassinations (Use the force...cannon LOL!).

Load up your Hydras the turn you are about to charge with everything and pop feat. Activate all other killy units such as sentinals, MHAs etc... then blast away the opponent's warcaster with ridiculous magical ranged attacks that ignore LOS. Hydras can only be allocated 3 focus, but they can end up gaining much more for the force cannon through their own Kinetic Capacitor coupled with Perfect Execution from big V.

This tactic may not be as effective against a fury camping warlock, but you can attempt to put the "Nayl" in the coffin (love puns) in that situation.


This does NOT work because Vyros' feat states that the focus is "allocated". Thus, no more than 3.

[Philoclass]

Amphoterik,

You mean it doesnt work right?

[Stevo]

Vyros is not a jack caster. I'm not saying Vyros is good or not, but he's certainly not a jack caster. Look at casters like Amon, Karchev, Butcher, etc to see what a real jack caster looks like. They have spells and abilities that make jacks absolutely brutal with little to no focus. Vyros doesn't. Sure, he has his feat, but his feat is kinda garbage. It's like other feats, except you actually have to work really hard to make it as effective as other feats. eNemo's feat blows it out of the freaking water.


Good or bad, a jack caster Vyros is not.

I respectfully disagree with you. None of THOSE casters are Retribution Warcasters. Vyros is the Retribution's Jack Caster, and he's pretty good at what he does.

Amon Ad Raza certainly isn't any better at running jacks than Vyros. In terms of Feats, Vyros has the potential to grant more Focus while upkeeping spells. Warjacks under his feat can gain LOT of Focus during their activations alone, never mind the Focus given to them by units.

Bird's Eye is an amazing ability. Granting 360 arcs to all his jacks, plus ignoring most of the targeting restrictions makes this guy a real threat with Jacks.

I think that you aren't really comparing what Vyros can do, you are just looking at spells he doesn't have. That's not a real analysis.

[FranzGrenstein]

I notice you did not have to face the all stealth cryx army (shudder).

Congrats on the win.

I agree Vyros is not a jack caster, but he is the closest thing we have to a jack caster so people will think of him as a jack caster.

[Steampunk Jim]

Amon Ad Raza certainly isn't any better at running jacks than Vyros.

I completely and 100% disagree with this. Synergy is one of the best jack buffing spells in the game. Couple that with mobility, and I can do horrible, horrible things to your army without a stitch of focus on my jacks. And there's really no limit to how many jacks you can squeeze in there and still run succesfully. And guess what? He can do that every turn. It's not just his feat turn.

Yes, Vyros can do good things with his jacks. But, like said before, he's not a true jack caster. Jack buddy? Sure. But if you run Vyros with, say 5+ jacks, he absolutely falls to peices, and can barely manage those, even on the feat turn. Amon, on the other hand, I generally run 8 Jacks, two of them heavies, and it runs like a dream.

Vyros is more like Reznik, another jack buddy. Reznik has a few spells that help jacks (Perdition, Iron aggression), and an ability(witch hound). Reznike has very similar. If you take a few jacks, both of these casters make those few jacks really great, which is awesome. But neither of them can run volume of jacks.

I'm really glad that you like Vyros so much, but he just doesn't do it for me. I want a real jack caster.

[fluffsies]

Im currently using a dawnguard themed list with myrmidon support and I find Vyros excels there (as opposed to a Khador style army with just the caster, solos and jacks). So I have a hydra and a phoneix, two griffons, two units of sentinels with UA, vyros and ghost snipers/arcanists etc. For a relative newb, they seem to be working very well for me. The hydra doesnt need much babysitting and coupled with the phoneix pumps out some decent ranged firepower that ignores los. Inviolable resolve goes very well on the sentinels, and mobility + the griffons makes for a very lethal charge radius.

In short, what im trying to say is Vyros for me is a well rounded caster and a powerful melee asset. He goes well with a couple of jacks, but too many will eat up his focus and dont recieve much benefit from him. Sentinels, on the other hand, recieve fearless and armour, and together with him on the charge will decimate almost anything.

[hausdorff space]

Vyros always struck me as a non-Khador version of eButcher.

[possiblyarowbot]

2 Hydras, such a cheap move. I love it.

[amphoterik]

Amphoterik,

You mean it doesnt work right?

That is what I meant. You cannot do it.

[gdaybloke]

Personally, I hereby award Richard with a Lost Hemisphere "Goodonyer!" award for thinking outside the box and marshalling an arc node to good effect.

[richard]

well ummmmm thank you gdaybloke for the award. and opinions are somthing everyone has jack caster or not i like vyros and i like the synergy he brings maybe hes not a jack beast like karchev or nemo but i really like to run him with jacks. and also fluffsies i totally agree sentinels with ua and inviolable resolve is awesome.

[gdaybloke]

well ummmmm thank you gdaybloke for the award. and opinions are somthing everyone has
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one, but no-one really wants to hear from them. ;)

Drop by Lost Hemisphere tomorrow...

[Lighten]

Congratulations!

Vyros is the only caster I haven't played yet... I need to give him some play time.