Amon Mk2

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

Since our previous thread got wiped out let's start out discussion fresh.

High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza

Pros:
Synergy:Models in this modelʼs battlegroup in its control area gain a +1 cumulative bonus on melee attack and melee damage rolls for
each other model in this modelʼs battlegroup in its control area that hit an enemy model with a melee attack this turn.
Mobility:Models in this modelʼs battlegroup currently in its control area gain +2 SPD and Pathfinder ICON for one turn.
Reach
Tresher:With reach will help clear paths for jacks/models to do their thing, but if you're thing close it better be the end game or you're likely to be toast.
Smite:For the occasional slamming a jack back into a warcaster or something else with super high def.
Cons:
Glass Cannon:Once his battlegroup starts going down so does the effectiveness of Synergy. Also he is only Def: 16 Arm: 14.

Also talk me out of buying 8 more Dervishes and trying out:
Amon
Devout
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Max choir
Max choir
Vassal
Vassal

My last attack with an infused Dervish would be p+s 36 saying everyone got in their attacks. Which should more than handle heavy jacks. Very obvious gimmick but it maximizes Synergy chain.

I won't bother changing the previous sentence since it'll invalidate the next couple of posts, and it'll serve to teach others from my mistake. Also I realized that I'm a point short on my list so any suggestions on that? I want to add a Heirophant, so that I'm only spending 2 focus, 1 for upkeeping Synergy and 1 for Mobility, but to do so I guess I'd have to lose the Devout for another Dervish.

[therajai]

All I have to say is do it! The only issue is keeping all of them affective and in the control area.

[Yertle4]

Play that with eKreoss at 100 pts and watch people cry. That's all the old man is good for.

[jandrese]

Since our previous thread got wiped out
Also talk me out of buying 8 more Dervishes and trying out:
Amon
Devout
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Max choir
Max choir
Vassal
Vassal

My last attack with an infused Dervish would be p+s 36 saying everyone got in their attacks. Which should more than handle heavy jacks. Very obvious gimmick but it maximizes Synergy chain.

How are you getting to P+S 36? Assuming your last jack is infused, Amon participates in the synergy chain (not common), and you combo strike (you wouldn't there's no point) the attack would be:

P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 4 (Combo Strike) + 1 (Amon Synergy) + 7 (other Dervishes) == 27

In practice, there would be no point in combo-striking at that point, you'd be better off just swinging the swords separately. P+S 23 is tough enough to chop down pretty much anything in the game. If that was on a typical ARM 15 caster you would be doing dice + 8 damage, and hitting on anything but snake-eyes (effective MAT of 16).

[Talonvor]

How are you getting to P+S 36? Assuming your last jack is infused, Amon participates in the synergy chain (not common), and you combo strike (you wouldn't there's no point) the attack would be:

P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 4 (Combo Strike) + 1 (Amon Synergy) + 7 (other Dervishes) == 27

In practice, there would be no point in combo-striking at that point, you'd be better off just swinging the swords separately. P+S 23 is tough enough to chop down pretty much anything in the game. If that was on a typical ARM 15 caster you would be doing dice + 8 damage, and hitting on anything but snake-eyes (effective MAT of 16).


One might think he was counting Synergy damage on every swing not not each model. An easy mistake to make. Buts me has no idea.

[Nicodemus]

How are you getting to P+S 36? Assuming your last jack is infused, Amon participates in the synergy chain (not common), and you combo strike (you wouldn't there's no point) the attack would be:

P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 4 (Combo Strike) + 1 (Amon Synergy) + 7 (other Dervishes) == 27

In practice, there would be no point in combo-striking at that point, you'd be better off just swinging the swords separately. P+S 23 is tough enough to chop down pretty much anything in the game. If that was on a typical ARM 15 caster you would be doing dice + 8 damage, and hitting on anything but snake-eyes (effective MAT of 16).


How are you getting 7 for the other dervishes? I count 11 jacks + Amon.

So by my count, I get:
P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 4 (combo strike) + 1 (amon sunergy) + 10 (jack synergy) = 30

Still not 36, perhaps he's counting each dervish *hit* instead of each dervish? Looks like it.
P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 1 (amon) + 20 (2 dervish hits x 10 dervish) = 36

@ IRSMARTLIKEROCK: Synergy works *per jack* that hits, not every hit. In other words, even if one Dervish hits 5 times (via focus attacks), you still only get a +1 to the synergy bonus on the next jack.

[bloodstrike]

Also keep in mind that synergy is every OTHER model that has hit this round, so if the devout adds into the synergy, you'd have a +11, otherwise you only get to +10.

Meaning the last dervish would be:
P+S 13 + 2 (choir) + 4 (combo) + 1 (amon) + 9 (other dervishes) = +29.

or +30 if the devout ran up and got a hit off.

Now personally I have no idea why you'd combo strike once at +29 when you could get a charge boosted +25 and another +25 after that.

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

Obviously I misread that part but still P+S in the 20's and Mat above 12 would make most casters and jacks cry. I'm still not seeing an obvious downside. It'd have 20 base attacks from the Dervishes so it could handle infantry spam. The biggest problem I see would be a feedback Retribution list, or a Behemoth/Beast 09/2 other Khador heavy list. Where in that last list I would absolutely have to get the alpha strike or half my list would be gone. Then again I could just run different lists against those 2.

[bloodstrike]

Khador heavy list shouldn't be a huge issue due to the fact that you're probably only going to be looking at one troop squad after the 4 heavys they take, and with 10 dervishes I would hope that at speed 7 + 3" charge with two 2" sidesteps you'd be able to get an angle with one of the dervishes to sidestep around the 'jack wall and kill the caster without ever dealing with the heavies (other than hitting them to stack up the synergy bonus). Not saying this works every time, but there are worse things to fight with this style of army (the retribution feedback that can kill you on turn one is the worst example)

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

Khador heavy list shouldn't be a huge issue due to the fact that you're probably only going to be looking at one troop squad after the 4 heavys they take, and with 10 dervishes I would hope that at speed 7 + 3" charge with two 2" sidesteps you'd be able to get an angle with one of the dervishes to sidestep around the 'jack wall and kill the caster without ever dealing with the heavies (other than hitting them to stack up the synergy bonus). Not saying this works every time, but there are worse things to fight with this style of army (the retribution feedback that can kill you on turn one is the worst example)

I'm still relatively new to the game, and I totally forgot about doing that sort of shenanigans. Or at least pop 1 heavy, and just go on through ignoring the freestrikes from the feat. That last guy, saying everyone else got in hits and he has 3 focus, and a vassal nearby would get 6 attacks at P+S 25. Which should ruin any jack/warcasters day; even the mean 'ol Devastator.

[bloodstrike]

Yup. The name of the game with Amon (and Reznik in my opinion) is shenanigans. Denying your oponent the ability to feel safe about a warcaster/warlock behind a jack/beast with Amon is clutch. It forces your oponent to play the game you want him to, and that's usually when mistakes happen to your advantage.

p.s. love the speed of the new forums, hate that it keeps logging me out randomly.

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

Yup. The name of the game with Amon (and Reznik in my opinion) is shenanigans. Denying your oponent the ability to feel safe about a warcaster/warlock behind a jack/beast with Amon is clutch. It forces your oponent to play the game you want him to, and that's usually when mistakes happen to your advantage.

p.s. love the speed of the new forums, hate that it keeps logging me out randomly.

Yeah, I do love the speed. Also I updated the OP, anything you feel should be up there let me know.

[jandrese]

Whoops, I read his "buy 8 more dervishes" as buy 8 dervishes. I didn't actually count because it was late at night. :)

[bloodstrike]

The heirophant for me is still up in the air for me in an Amon list. All the fun stuff happens on his feat turn, and because of how his feat works, you want to be spending all your focus when you activate Amon. For me this usually means upkeep nothing, activate Amon, cast mobility and synergy and cast a convection. I usually have wracks in my Amon list so I pull a focus there to boost the hit. Unfortunately, synergy only works on melee hits, but keeps Amon from needing to be out in the open incase things don't go as planned. This will end up giving you 8 focus to allocate (6 of Amon's, the 1 from the wrack, and the extra 1 from convection).

If you upkept synergy and cast a cheapened mobility, you could at max cast two convections for a total of 7 focus to allocate (1 from casting mobility, and 3 from each convection).

Then you just infuse everybody up and send in the first couple jacks to hit low defense targets so that you're sure to hit, then start charging in the melee attack 10ish dervishes with p+s 17+ to hit what you want to kill.

In my lists I usually try to fit in a small troop squad with a reclaimer and run them out in the open to hope for the oppenent to take pot shots at and give the reclaimer enough souls to fuel up a warjack on the feat turn, which is usually turn 2 for me. This of course isn't the only way to run him, but I've had some decent success with it.

[Zotyo]

Altough it belongs to the rules thread I just don't wanna start a new one for this little question:

Amon's Flagellation says: bla bla bla ...and cannot be healed for one round.

If I am right, healing and restoring the damaged power field of a warcaster are two separate things. Am I right? Amon hits Striker for good, but Striker still can restore his power field.

[Soulblighter]

no stryker cant restore his powerfield. that would be healing.

[squidstudios]

I've never played Amon, but he seems like the kind of caster I'd be down with. Let us know how your field testing of this works!