Generic speculation thread, again!

[Mobile]

I was pondering the state of Hordes mark 2, and it seems as though we may get a batch of models not dissimilar from the warmachine grouping:
caster, 2 beasts, 2-3 units, a wa/ua or two, and a handful of solo's.

The pattern also seems to be filling out where 'theme' armies lacked models: filling out 'trencher' lines, an errant UA and solo, love for assault commando's. Heck, even stormsmith artillery. Between that and the retribution book (Mittens forces, houseguard being well developed, anti-mage strike forces), it seems that the good folks at PP are trying to make 'pure' armies at least somewhat flexible.

What might we see?
We have warmongers, warspears and the warchief to make the ogrun list a full one.
Striders have a UA and a solo. Could we see melee striders, or would raptors be considered a further part of that army, being fast, light cav, capable of scouting?
Swordsmen and archers seem to pair up as 'standard blighted nyss' forces, but neither has a solo to really apply to its 'army' theme. Could we see a swordsman grandmaster? I think a solo archer would be stepping on the deathstalkers toes.

But that, plus a 'beasts' theme, is still only 3 or 4! What do you fine disciples of the dragon think?

[Neutralyze]

maybe a tier list that will make the strider solos into khador marksmen solos. they are nearly the same thing except the marskman has 14 inches instead of 12. how dumb.

[leo_neil316]

Legion warlock attachment.

Speed 6. ARM 16. DEF 13. 2x pow/str 12 claws. Battlegroup. Arcnode. +2 CMD to warlock when within 5 inches.

[TormeyOHurt]

I dont know about anyone else, but the wording on eThagrosh's damage spawn, and the Spawning Vessel leads me to believe that Everblight might get a named lesser. Perhaps that was a 'just in case' instance, but I feel it would be awesome.

[thechimp]

lol a character shredder would be awesome in fluff and in game >.<
i would buy one for ****s and giggles XD

[Loveless]

Nephilim Archer.

If I keep saying it, it will come true.

[Neutralyze]

range 12 pow 13 bow. crit brutal damage for 6 pts.

spd 6, strength 9, mat 5, rat 6, defense 13, armor 15

flight and bushwack!

[CorporateSellout]

I wouldn't call a character lesser too far-fetched... it's no more unusual than a character solo, imo. Although I have to also admit that the Legion seems to be having problems keeping pace in the character department, so it's anybody's guess.

[Mobile]

AS much as I would like a nephilim archer, I have trouble imagining a concept that would be useful/good without completely snuffing out any hope the teraph has of seeing the board. Having a non-elemental ranged attack would be nice, though. Perhaps an animus that grants gunfighter to a warbeast/warlock? That's delicious.

[Havock]

Searyn and Rhyas on a single base as their 'epic-form'? :p

[Nargacuga]

Legion warlock attachment.

Speed 6. ARM 16. DEF 13. 2x pow/str 12 claws. Battlegroup. Arcnode. +2 CMD to warlock when within 5 inches.

wow.. that would be awesome.

auto-include with pThags and Vayl


Considering that eThags lost the buff he gave to Legionnaires, I'm sure we will see a Legionnaire UA or solo that grants them fearless.

[alchahest]

seconding. or.. sixthing or whatever, the nephilim archer. give it a shorter range bow attack that does a boatful of damage. maybe a * attack for brutal damage or a bow-version of decapitation (anything over armour is doubled). make sure that it's mobile, and has stealth, but can't fly. something along these lines:

Nephilim Ranger
Legion of Everblight Light Warbeast
7 SPD/ 8 STR/ 6 MAT/ 5 RAT/ 13 DEF/ 13 ARM/ 8 CMD/ 3 FUR/ 10 THR
Damage 22 (8 Mind, 7 Body, 7 Spirit)
FA:U
Base Size: Medium
Point Cost: 6

Animus -
Cost: 2 RNG: 6"
Target Model or Unit gains :Magic-Wpn: on all ranged attacks. This effect expires at the end of activation

:Eyeless-Sight::Pathfinder::Gunfighter:

Adaptive Camouflage - This model gains an additional +4 DEF when benefiting from concealment or cover


War Bow x1 (ranged)
Rng: 10 Pow: 13 ROF: 1

Arcing Fire - When attacking with this weapon, this model can ignore intervening models except those within 1˝ of the target.




or something like a Nephilim spawned out of an Ogrun. or a character or warlock nephilim


basically what I'm getting at is MORE NEPHILM PLEASE.

[CorporateSellout]

I would love to see a "Nephilim" variant from an ogrun. A new huge powerhouse heavy to rival the carnivean is just what I'm hoping to see. Being a little simpler and cheaper than the C-rex would be pretty handy too.

[hackrune]

Honestly, a Nephilim Ogrun heavy would be ridiculously cool. Now that Everblight has Pyromalfic's essence, we should be able to see a wider variety of blighted creatures as well, which is what I'm hoping our new units/solo will be. After all, the Legion is hanging out in Khador, now. We're bound to get blighted humans soon, right? The same pattern of isolated villages and attacks that Thagrosh used with the Nyss could work very well in the cold north of Khador.

[Vranz]

http://privateerpress.com/files/imagecache/1up/Webblog-staffshots-Walton_0.jpg

Can you see the drawing on the wall on the right? Do I see some Carniveanish dragonspawn with a long tail?

[GunMageinTraining]

We've got Ogrun, Nyss (elves), and maybe soon to be dwarves? That would seriously amp his potential for mayhem with the technical and mechanical expertise of blighted dwarves.

[OrsusSmash]

It certainly looks like a Legion beastie; its far too spiky to be anything else. ;)

Now we just need them to post it up on the main page! We came in 3rd for crying out loud! I want my pretty picture!

:p

[Neutralyze]

incoming blighted dwarf warlock.

[OrsusSmash]

incoming blighted dwarf warlock.

Were this to come to pass, I would use it exclusively, forever and ever.

[Neutralyze]

also i want the next warbeast on waltons board to be moar sprayz

[Vranz]

On a second look, is it me or the spikes on this thing's back look somewhat like fins? Amphibious Carnivean anyone?

[Neutralyze]

maybe is just a fish monster for minions.

[ricefrisbeetreats]

I swear it would be fins and my wife thinks it's some alternate carnivean. Her sight is better than mine.

It's all up in the air...

I still think it's a Bog Trog monster.

[OrsusSmash]

I swear it would be fins and my wife thinks it's some alternate carnivean. Her sight is better than mine.


Given the other 3 heavies, it wouldn't stun me that our heavy is some kind of off-breed Carnivean. These heavies should be in Primal, after all, so they'll probably be close in visual design to the "common" heavies for the faction. Since the Carni was in Primal, that makes sense.

[Rynth]

Blowing up the picture reveals something coming from the beasts mouth. Initially I thought fire, but the thing appears to be smooth and tongue like, though it looks to hook back rather scimitar-like. Doing doing two tongued beasts so close to each other doesn't seem PP's style, so what this thing is is still anyone's guess.
Does not seem finned, however it is standing on some type of rocky base.

[Thunder_God]

You know what I hope for? Balrogs.

Well, not really Balrogs, but... dwarves dig, and sometimes they awaken things they shouldn't. Teraphs also dig, and then Everblight meets some new type of under-dark critters, and makes friends.

That's what I want :D

[Havock]

How about a special Incubi for your casters, just so that when 'we' die, we do so dragging, kicking and screaming the hapless offender right with us? :p

[yankeefan]

Nephilim Berserker (ogrun Nephilim) just make it a 7 PC monstrosity that fills our cheap heavy role. it doenst even need wings

[Neutralyze]

i would like an archer nephilim. i acutally think its more feasible because then we could make a plastic set of light beasts perhaps. the heavy needs a ranged attack, its legion!

[Jice_]

I'd actaully love the idea of a Neph Archer and I mirror most sentiments. But mostly because how I imagine it would look. Since they dress them up like the things they represent, I can just picture the Archer with long black sleves, loin cloth, and along the plates of his husk to match the Striders.

[Tha42]

Element of the Blighted Iosians give us a minor warcaster that allows us to use myrmidions.

[Havock]

i would like an archer nephilim. i acutally think its more feasible because then we could make a plastic set of light beasts perhaps. the heavy needs a ranged attack, its legion!

two open fists and a steady supply of shredders?

[Mobile]

I'd be all for a "nephilim gigantor" based off an ogrun which could be a simple, cheap heavy: One big, powerful weapon, a claw slap, and little wing-things like the protector.

Of course, any kind of alternate carnivean makes me go Hell yeah! To be honest, it was the carnivean that got me into this faction...!

[thechimp]

maybe a character carni >.<, (PP) hey i know let's make a character warbeast of a carni and make him even more expensive XD ooh i don't know 14 pts?


TBH i think the pic is a character carni tht is breathing fire thts my 2 cents for the day

[Shadowspite]

wow.. that would be awesome.

auto-include with pThags and Vayl


Considering that eThags lost the buff he gave to Legionnaires, I'm sure we will see a Legionnaire UA or solo that grants them fearless.

I think they are going to get fearless again through either of the Thag's tier lists.

[Mobile]

maybe a character carni >.<, (PP) hey i know let's make a character warbeast of a carni and make him even more expensive XD ooh i don't know 14 pts?


TBH i think the pic is a character carni tht is breathing fire thts my 2 cents for the day


I like to joke with my cygnaran friend about how my next normal heavy will be 15 points. :p

[Havock]

I wouldn't mind as long as it's totally worth those 15 pts :p

[Neutralyze]

i can see the character carny costing 12-13 pts. he better be able to rape the behemoth though.

[Zazoo]

Considering eThag got Cold damage added to his spray attack, Id like to see some beast(s) with cold ranged attacks.

EG a Light with serpentine and SP 8 POW 12 cold attack.

Im really hoping we get a Dragoon tho.
An Idea I had was a Warmonger riding a beast that looks like a teraph only bigger.

[Havock]

i can see the character carny costing 12-13 pts. he better be able to rape the behemoth though.

And not just once in a while in a dark alley.

Anytime.

Anytime.

[Karam]

over the last couple days I've decided my "dream" model would be a faction lesser warlock. There are already rules for doing such, and there would be a lot of fun shinanagans that could be pulled, even if the spell list is worthless.

I don't know if it could happen. We are the only faction were it is at least not implied there are lesser versions of our warlocks/casters (cygnar obviously have journeyman warcasters, troll fluff mentions all shamans are born albino). But it would add new fluff if Thag started giving out the barest splinters of his anthac to les qualified elites. Even it it only had 3 fury. we could still run a sizable flanck with it using shepherds/forsaken. And would make it even more possible to go all-beast in the 50-75pt bracket. It would be great...

[Neutralyze]

we cant go all beast now?

[Karam]

we cant go all beast now?

You use our troop options? You are seriously gimping the awesomness of your games, and I pity you.


Also, not really, but more than other hordes factions.

[Neutralyze]

pity me for using all beasts with ethags or vayl? ok thats fine. our units support our options. maybe 1 unit in 75 pts and some support solos but thats about it. If you think our troop options are so much greater then beasts you are sorely mistaking.

[Loveless]

Rhyas Tiers:
Tier 1: Swordsmen become FA: U
Tier 2: Add one Swordsmen UA for free, ignoring FA restrictions.
Tier 3: Swordsmen units in the army may make a full advance after deployment but before the first turn.
Tier 4: For every Swordsmen unit in the army, Rhyas receives 1 additional initial attack.


...Ha.

[Thunder_God]

You forgot that the tier requirements would all be Carniveans and units of Warmongers, taking away all your points ;)

I want some ranged attacks that are not element-coded. I'd appreciate the Teraph getting according to fluff a corrosion attack instead of fire, to give us some differentiation (and it'd help him too!). I'd appreciate some continuous fire not on critical, some continuous corrosion, even if critical, etc.

I foresee some archers WA, where they shoot the blight-globules of the Scather ;)

[Thunder_God]

Today I assembled a Teraph, and it hit me, we got robbed. The Teraph, look at the model. It has two hands, with four fingers, and a friggin' opposable thumb!

Not only does it not have open-hands, it also doesn't have claws (not to mention Bite no longer gives you any power attacks).

Anyway, maybe our Character Light will be a Teraph that picked up some swords, or a bow ;)

Now that I think about it, maybe the character light will be a Nephilim who picked up some other sort of weaponry, so we'll get a Neph Archer, but it'd be a character.

[Havock]

I always thought the teraph looked a bit like the carnivean's younger, leaner brother.

[Thunder_God]

It looks a lot like a Carni, especially when you look at the art and the actual models as you assemble them.

[Neutralyze]

what about a nephilim that picked up a retribution laser beam. maybe well even tie it to his head.

[Minion_of_Cthul]

what about a nephilim that picked up a retribution laser beam. maybe well even tie it to his head.

+1 to this.

[Neutralyze]

Nephilim with frickin laser beams

[GunMageinTraining]

I'd kind of be cool to have an evolving creature. Beginning of it's life cycle is shredder, then into a Teraph, then finally a Carnivean. The shifts are pretty abrupt, but then again, they can be when your talking about a blight physiology.

[Vranz]

So... You guys think we'll see something today?

[Neutralyze]

not at all.

[Mephaine]

Hhhmmm new unit....I knows for a Lesser Warbeast!!!!

Everblight Infector (Well the Lesser Beasts do what they say really.)

SPD:6 STR:6 MAT:3 RAT:5 DEF:13 ARM:12 THR:7 FUR:2 CMD:7

FA:C
Point Cost: 3
Base Size: Small
Damage: 13 (Mind 4, Body 4, Spirit 5)

Animus
Cost:2 RNG:Self UP:No OFF:No
All Range attacks from this model have boosted attack and damage rolls.

Gunfighter
Eyeless Sight
Blood Creation - This model never attacks friendly Faction warlocks and cannot choose them as its frenzy target.
Flight - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions and other
models if it has enough movement to move completely past them. This model ignores intervening models when declaring its
charge target.
Lesser Warbeast - This model cannot make power attacks.
Soulless - This model does not generate a soul token when it is destroyed.

Weapon
Infected Vomit RNG:SP6 ROF:1 POW:10
Special Rules
Infected: Any living model boxed by this attack leave a marker. In the next turn replace the marker with an Incubus within 2 inches of it.

Yeah go Incubi infection :P Personally I coudl see the Everblight doing something like this :P

[Loveless]

Everblight Infector (Well the Lesser Beasts do what they say really.)


har·ry (hār'ē)
tr.v. har·ried, har·ry·ing, har·ries


To disturb or distress by or as if by repeated attacks; harass.
To raid, as in war; sack or pillage.
Yep, that fits pretty well - and Shredder is more self-explanatory :p The Harrier needs more attacks, though.


Personally I coudl see the Everblight doing something like this :P

I don't, and find the imagery a bit offensive (the vomit part, not the infection part). Everblight is grace and power - a goal of perfecting things through his will, with the blight as a tool. Having a dragonspawn throw up on something to turn it into a blighted creature doesn't really have that vibe - or even the experimental vibe we see in the production of Incubi and Nephilim.

Frankly, I don't think EB's going to be blighting new species anytime soon. He likes what the Nyss and Ogrun give him - grace and power - and it's unlikely he'll find a need to spread the blight to other races just yet. Haphazardly creating blighted creatures without carefully determining hosts and sources is not something EB is going to do, IMO.

I also don't think we're going to see "vomit" or anything quite as crude - it could be a "Blight Breath" or something, but...let's just leave the crude bodily functions to Cryx.

[Thunder_God]

The Teraphs basically vomit acidic globules, IIRC ;)

[Neutralyze]

The Teraphs basically vomit acidic globules, IIRC ;)


in fluff yes, in rules its fire :P.

[Thunder_God]

Yeah, well, alchemical fire! I still think it should be corrosion aspected, but whatever.

(We could always imagine it to be like blighted tar on fire, or something... Still; vomit!)

[Neutralyze]

i think if it was corrosion it would make the teraph playable.

[Loveless]

I don't recall the attack being called vomit, however. That's what's causing my dislike - it's not something Everblight would name an attack. "Vomit" just has a bad connotation.

[Thunder_God]

You mean, unlike pillaging, genocide, mind-control and blight? :p

[Havock]

Only if you are suffering them :p

[egloss2002]

i still am hoping for a large base nephilim, and i would call it

Nephilim Commander
Legion Heavy Warbeast

Point Cost-7

SPD--STR--MAT--RAT--DEF--ARM--CMD--Fury
-5----10----6-----4----13----19----8----4
:Eyeless-Sight::Abomination:


Right -----------POW P+S
Crafted Halberd --6-- 16
:Magic-Wpn: :Reach:

Left--- POW P+S
Shield --2--- 12
[Shield] Icon

Animus -------Cost--RNG--AOE--POW--UP--OFF
Arcane Blessing 2---- 6---- - ---- - --- - --- -
Target friendly Faction model gains [Magic Weapon] icon on its weapons for one round


Flight
Set Deffense


It came from a warmonger so i t would be similar to a warmonger right

Yea i would live with that and i think it wouldnt get over used either

lol

i have demented thinking

[nanozach]

Considering eThag got Cold damage added to his spray attack, Id like to see some beast(s) with cold ranged attacks.

EG a Light with serpentine and SP 8 POW 12 cold attack.

Im really hoping we get a Dragoon tho.
An Idea I had was a Warmonger riding a beast that looks like a teraph only bigger.
Oh man, Warmongers riding rakes or teraphs for our heavy cav! That would be amazing!

[Neutralyze]

i still am hoping for a large base nephilim, and i would call it

Nephilim Commander
Legion Heavy Warbeast

Point Cost-7

SPD--STR--MAT--RAT--DEF--ARM--CMD--Fury
-5----10----7-----4----13----17----8----4
:Eyeless-Sight::Abomination:


Right -----------POW P+S
Crafted Halberd --6-- 16
:Magic-Wpn: :Reach:

Left--- POW P+S
Shield --2--- 12
[Shield] Icon

Animus -------Cost--RNG--AOE--POW--UP--OFF
Arcane Blessing 2---- 6---- - ---- - --- - --- -
Target friendly Faction model gains [Magic Weapon] icon for one round


Flight
Set Deffense


It came from a warmonger so i t would be similar to a warmonger right

Yea i would live with that and i think it wouldnt get over used either

lol

i have demented thinking

why only armor 17 with a shield?

[egloss2002]

why only armor 17 with a shield?

i was looking at balance, plus its a nephilim, i first thought 19 but then in my mind he prob has half the armor on the model then a protector plus the shild, i some how dont see it out armoring a carnie, but then again if it was outfitted with enough armor to cause it to go to SPD 5 or even 4 then i understand it being 19 and 21 in the front arc, either way its a beast of a beast (no pun intended) i will change it to see what others say

[Neutralyze]

i was looking at balance, plus its a nephilim, i first thought 19 but then in my mind he prob has half the armor on the model then a protector plus the shild, i some how dont see it out armoring a carnie, but then again if it was outfitted with enough armor to cause it to go to SPD 5 or even 4 then i understand it being 19 and 21 in the front arc, either way its a beast of a beast (no pun intended) i will change it to see what others say


i can see our next beast being a large based nephilim that does something similar to molik karn IE threshold and command for nephs. maybe make him open fists ready to rip you apart.

Spd 6 Strength 10 Mat 7 Rat 4 Def 13 Arm 17 cmd 10 thres 10 fury 4

Claws x 2 - pow 6 = PS 16

pt cost 9-10

flight
eyeless sight
alpha - similar to ekaya for nephilim only - he charges, they charge for free etc.
veteran leader - is he is in LOS nephilim models gain + 2 to melee attack rolls.

animus (offensive but dont know how yet) - target an enemy model within 10" of the model using this animus. if you hit the enemy model, the enemy model must attack this model next turn if able.