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RabiTampa
11-23-2009, 07:48 PM
Restaring BertyBear's Article with his original post...


.. so.. 6 inch AD wracks that cannot move, do not cause terror anymore, and have a lower pow when they blow up....

what's the plan? how do we use them?

AANND, discuss...

jandrese
11-23-2009, 08:43 PM
They are strictly focus batteries now. There's not much else to discuss. If you hit an enemy model with one and it wasn't placed by Reznik then congratulations, you are fighting a mentally challenged person.

However, they're a single point and provide 4-5 focus on average, which makes them among the cheapest focus batteries in the game, you don't even have to fuel them up, they come out of the box ready to go. The only restrictions on their focus are that you can't use it to fuel jacks normally (Convection and Union can use it to fuel jacks, but that's it), and you can't use it to upkeep spells; but compared to the limitations on the Hierophant's "focus", it's downright flexible.

The only major downside is that they tend to get in the way of your own troops as you advance up the field, and warcasters with smaller control areas can outrun them pretty quick, especially if your opponent is turtling.

Squideye
11-23-2009, 10:44 PM
You could throw or slam enemies into 'em, I guess.

moorg
11-23-2009, 11:21 PM
They are strictly focus batteries now.

That, and they can be awkward to place, to get the most out of them.

therajai
11-24-2009, 01:30 AM
I have found them to be a slight pain to use. As I play a defensive style. Though without the terror I have some how manged to kill a min. unit with one. I can't complain 3 for a point is still very nice. Eventually I will find that sweet spot for them.

Necra-Chi
11-24-2009, 02:06 AM
My warcaster carries a wrack on his back and hangs living enemy warrior models on it.

So he deploys the wrack where the action is, and can immediately detonate it for profit.

Is there a better way to use wracks? I think not.

maciak
11-24-2009, 02:09 AM
I think there's another problem with Wracks. They're our only 1p models. So if you are making a list that contains Wrack and you end with 34/35p or 49/50p, there's nothing you can do - you are wasting 1p :mad:

Necra-Chi
11-24-2009, 02:22 AM
That's when you take them out and put the Hierophant in instead.

maciak
11-24-2009, 02:43 AM
But what to do if I've got Wrack and Hierpohant in my list and I've got one point left? And I don't want to change anything else?

Soylent
11-24-2009, 05:34 AM
I think there's another problem with Wracks. They're our only 1p models. So if you are making a list that contains Wrack and you end with 34/35p or 49/50p, there's nothing you can do - you are wasting 1p :mad:


You up your min Choir to max. You bump a 2 point solo to a 3 point or a 3 point solo to Rhoven and Co. Seriously there are a lot of options out there.

bloodstrike
11-24-2009, 05:44 AM
I usually end up giving my opponent a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation with wracks. Last couple matches I had a line of zealots just behind a wrack defending a flank (with a soulstormed reclaimer in the middle of the zealots too, but it ended up not mattering because he got shot...) Basically gives the opponent the option of charging in there to get rid of the zealots to risk the chance of getting blown off the table with the wracks explosion and any surviving zealots popping GD and walking out of combat to throw bombs, or not charging into the zealots to have them walk forward and blow them off the table anyway. You can make it worse by having a melee solo floating around (paladin, vilmon, etc) so if they try to get in there with something tough you can put a big hurting on it, if not take it out completely.

Yertle4
11-24-2009, 08:00 AM
Wracks are purely to be made, and then blown up, in the same turn, killing an entire unit of shield walled IFP for 1 focus.

Or focus batteries. 3 focus for 1 pt = win.

GeminiX6
11-24-2009, 05:19 PM
I still love our wracks. Even with the shorter AD they can still be placed in beneficial positions. In fact, I feel like I enjoy them more in MKII than I did in MKI for some reason. Great for getting that extra upkeep spell going in the early game, and pulling that extra focus just before you EoD someone with Reznik/Feora (who can pull focus from 12" away still, giving them 28" before they're out of wrack range, which is more tan halfway across the board).

Marius
11-25-2009, 04:08 AM
My warcaster carries a wrack on his back and hangs living enemy warrior models on it.

So he deploys the wrack where the action is, and can immediately detonate it for profit.

Is there a better way to use wracks? I think not.

Do you ever use Wracks in addition to Reznik? Since i've been playing him pretty much exclusively in MkII i just don't feel the need to take Wracks with him. That and i don't want to buy a second pack of Wracks to just use one.

Bastion5
11-28-2009, 08:32 AM
Do you ever use Wracks in addition to Reznik? Since i've been playing him pretty much exclusively in MkII i just don't feel the need to take Wracks with him. That and i don't want to buy a second pack of Wracks to just use one.

why not, extra focus for a FOC 6 caster is amazing, especially if its our beatstick caster REZNIK, get off that ignite, then iron agro someone then BOOM!!

Bastion5
11-28-2009, 11:01 PM
I'm probably blowing smoke here but IMHO wracks are worth it to most of our casters. A single point for 3 focus batteries that the opponent has to go out of thier way to get rid of is great. Assuming they dont explode in your face, try and benefit from them as much as possible. when there is a focus point on it ranged attacks auto miss ......AWESOME! to destroy one they have to engage it and then have a POW 14 5" AOE blown at their faces. IMO wracks are an invaluable ONE point soloesque unit to take.:D:D:D

gearloop
11-30-2009, 08:11 PM
But what to do if I've got Wrack and Hierpohant in my list and I've got one point left? And I don't want to change anything else?

Take it out and put in a Reclaimer.

Moonblade
12-02-2009, 02:51 AM
I think Wracks serve their purpose right -- to fuel focus on our warcasters. The thing that irritated me when I take them is their positioning. Most of the time they're more of a pain to take as they block my route and are a threat for my own troops.

squidstudios
12-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Noob question(s): do the wracks provide screening? Could I hide stuff behind it for awhile to entice my opponent to come closer...maybe while popping him with a Reckoner, Redeemer, or some KEE or Deliverers as he approaches? Also, how does Reznik splode a wrack he just dropped without getting hit by it himself?

I played with mkII wracks for the first time this past weekend, and was befuddled as to how to use them beyond generating an extra focus each turn. I didn't notice that their AD was shortened and that they'd lost terror until our lists were on the table. :o

BanzaiZAP
12-02-2009, 06:12 PM
Actually, in Mk II nothing provides screening. It ain't there no more. Wracks will still block Line of Sight, so you can hide behind them.

As far as using them goes, the Focus is their primary purpose, with exploding being their second. Reznik's wracks are the ones most likely to be detonated. If he drops them at the edge of his range (2") then the 5" AoE centered on it won't quite hit his base.

Lanz
12-03-2009, 02:04 AM
Eh. I think it heavily depends on the caster.

Kreoss: Probably good to take. 14" control zone and middle-of-the-table-combat style would generally keep him in range to make use of his wracks.

Reclaimer/testament: Probably not a good idea. Tiny control zone = bad wracks. Would he get a soul token for one dieing though? Might be worth taking them if pulling a focus off gives 1 focus, then a soul token as well when the wrack pops. I dun use the reclaimer, so I'm not sure. If he could use Revive to bring wracks back to life, then that might be interesting. Expensive, for what rezznik can basically do for free, but interesting.

Severius: I definitely take them with severius, and they are never out of range. With Sevvy, I just deploy them behind my army. It's not like Sevvy is going to be 16" from my table edge any time soon enough to matter.

Feora: Probably not? Close range + engine of destruction, she'll probably be speeding across the table too fast to make much use of them past like turn 2. Could be handy for just extra toughness via focus points, just pull one off for overboosting after casting spells to keep a nice focus buffer.

Harbinger: Totally. Same reason as taking them with sevvy, but even better. C'mon, 10 focus just isn't enough :D

Amon: Dunno. Fast with small control zone usually is bad, and without his whole meditation thing from mk1, there isn't much more he can do. Don't know Amon too well, even moreso in Mk2.

Rezznik: You gotta buy a pack for him anyways, so may as well bring them along. Pop them like candy in the initial turns and replace them as you march up the field.

Overall, I'd say yeah, take wracks. Why not? Most warcasters will make good use of them for what they cost.



Also, how does Reznik splode a wrack he just dropped without getting hit by it himself?

I don't think Reznik thinks that far ahead. Mr Bomberman doesn't really care about his wracks exploding in his face, I suspect.

mladjanobugarce
12-06-2009, 05:42 PM
Are you limited to use one wrack/turn or you can take focus from all three in the same turn

Forums lol
12-06-2009, 06:32 PM
If you read the card for the Wrack, it should tell you that you can only take from one.

Brock_Vilmon
12-06-2009, 07:52 PM
When I play in leagues, I always use wracks as "motivational tools" for my troops. If a unit flees off the battlefield, I'll add wracks for the next fight.

Moonblade
12-07-2009, 12:19 AM
Perfect idea, Brock. I'll try to do that soon.

moorg
12-07-2009, 01:43 AM
Lucky for them, they don't actually flee the field anymore.:p

mtazer
12-14-2009, 06:56 PM
The PDF with the finalized field test rules lists the wracks as being on small bases, im sorry if this has already been answered, im relatively new here, But is that right? am i going to have to re-base my wracks now? or was this a typo?