Rhyas 50pt vs Cryx

[Cadian Munkey]

Hi all,

I've decided to try Rhyas one more time against a mate who is very strong with his cryx. The probable warcasters he'll use are Coven & pScarre or even pDenny. he really loves Terminus + Knights & Cavalry

Rhyas +6

Scythean -9 First proxy with him, thought i'd try out some of the shennanigans that have been doing the rounds on the forums as well as just get a taste for what he brings to Legion.

Neph Soldier -5 For animus as well as the ability to put some hurt on when teamed with Ryhas for the ol' 1-2

Typhon -12 Thought bout a carni instead but decided the mass anti infantry option he brings to the table will be to crucial to pass up, though i am worried about WM sinking in to him.

Max Swordsman + UA -13 Really just because they deliver mass pain & if he ends up infantry heavy w/ UA they can hopefully carve a nice chunk up. Also due to lack of mass firepower cryx have.

Incubi -5 nuff said

Max Raptors -10 To give solos a hard time & to try to deny pScarre of her little unit of focus sitting in backlines.

2x Shepards -2 For assistance with Rhyas' poor fury management & cntrl range

Strider Deathstalker -2 To help control a flank with the raptors, so as to hopefully bunch up enemy for feat shennanigan-ism.

50pts

Any idea how this will fare? I have never played cryx before so am not 100% sure on what works against them & what doesn't. Are the raptors useless with poison arrows all but negated? Am I better off dropping DS & 1x Shepard for a totem hunter? Should I just ditch Rhyas & go eThags? Any help much appreciated!

-munkey

[Cadian Munkey]

So no one on this forum has ever played cryx before & would be able to shed some light on how this army would fare?

[Maerik]

The list looks pretty solid.

I however never play my raptors against my Cryx friends. They're just not worth the points you have to sink into them when faced with non-living.

My local Cryx players play Goreshade (sometimes pDenny or Skarre-bomb) and eGaspy. I find my most successful tactics are tying up their units with my stuff and putting the pressure on for an assassination run. Cryx casters seem to be pretty mid to front focused, and I've won no less than 3 games with an Assault Carnivean boosting damage to one shot a caster.

With Rhyas I would take normally a Carnivean, Angelius, Swordsmen, Shepherd and maybe a Shredder. I sometimes would even field a second Carnivean, and I've had great luck with the Swamp Gobbers recently. Blocking the Bane Knight/Thrall charge for a turn can be extremely satisfying and useful.

When I played against eGaspy I won on scenario because he didn't want to engage, just kept dancing around my units.

Watch out for Deathjack! If hes around do not put units near him... I hate seeing that blasted thing heal to full. Charge him with a Carnivean or Scythean, or AP him with Angel.

On the topic of the Scythean, hes gold. Super awesome. Great threat range, generally gets 3 free attacks against a heavy (especially with Rapport up). But watch out, without Spiny Growth hes extremely squishy when engaged by Cryx's debuffs.

Summary, I find spreading your lines until you can feat/assassinate run with Rhyas is strong against Cryx, their casters are not that survivable on average. Put pressure on in a lot of different areas so that they have to spread their equally squishy units around. And remember, Eyeless Sight is your friend.

[Cadian Munkey]

Hi,

Thanks for the input:)

So is it worth losing the raptors & a shepard & throwing in a Carni or more troops (say max legionaires & a totem hunter & a shredder?

So:
rhyas,
scythean
neph soldier
typhon
shredder

legionnaires max
swordsman max + UA
Incubi
deathstalker
shepard
totem hunter

is this gonna be too many possible soul tokens for cryx?


Also, how does said 'skarre bomb' actually work? (ie conditions of it & what units it's normally used on)

Many thanks:)

Munkey

[Maerik]

I've personally never run the Soldier or Legionnaires, my regular 50pt list looked like so:

Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight -6
Angelius 9
Angelius 9
Carnivean 11
Carnivean 11
Shredder 2
The Forsaken 2
Blighted Nyss Shepherd 1
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (10/10) 8
Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot and Champion 3

But I haven't played at 50 points since Scythean came out. Clearly I like beast heavy. The Shredder just hangs back for Tenacity, one Carny gets Rapport, the Angels flank, the second Carny stays in reserve for a massive counter charge and the Forsaken runs around clearing fury. The Shepherd might tag along with an Angel to make it more efficient, or stay in middle to make sure the Carny can handle a charge.

I like the inclusion of Incubi in your list, but I don't play Typhon specifically not to play Typhon. I get enough Guff in my meta for playing Hordes and having "That ridiculously broken fury mechanic" without throwing three spray templates on it.

I love the way the totem hunter looks (play wise) but I've never tried him out, nor the Deathstalkers.

Depending on the opposing list I'm not sure how bad off you'd be for soul tokens.

But looking at your tweaked list I'd probably suggest dropping maybe the Soldier and Legionnaires for either a Carnivean or Angel and Forsaken. But then again, your point about Massacre on Rhyas is pretty sweet... something I'll want to try out.

But in my experience Beast Heavy with a couple Weapon Masters is the strongest way to take out Cryx. They're high Def, so your Legionnaires are probably going to be combined attacking a lot, whereas a Carnivean/Scythean/Typhon could just trample through troops or boost against 'jacks.

As for the Skarre Bomb, I'm not super familiar but the basic theory is that you use a high armour warrior model like a Bane Knight (16 ARM) in pSkarre's control area, be within 9" of the opposing caster and pop feat. Skarre's feat allows her to suffer up to 5 damage points, each one granting +1 STR and +1 ARM for one round to Friendly Faction models. Pumps a Bane Knight up to 21 ARM. Then she uses her Sacrificial Strike (*) Ability. This targets a model in her command (9"), she then sacrifices a friendly faction Trooper model (the Bane Knight) within 1" of her. Your caster then suffers a damage roll equal to the ARM of the removed Bane Knight. A Boostable, auto hit, POW 21. That averages 31 damage on 3 dice, and your friendly neighborhood Rhyas has a piddly armour of 14 and 16 boxes. Thats 30 to kill her.

Its mean, mean, mean.

[Cadian Munkey]

As for the Skarre Bomb, I'm not super familiar but the basic theory is that you use a high armour warrior model like a Bane Knight (16 ARM) in pSkarre's control area, be within 9" of the opposing caster and pop feat. Skarre's feat allows her to suffer up to 5 damage points, each one granting +1 STR and +1 ARM for one round to Friendly Faction models. Pumps a Bane Knight up to 21 ARM. Then she uses her Sacrificial Strike (*) Ability. This targets a model in her command (9"), she then sacrifices a friendly faction Trooper model (the Bane Knight) within 1" of her. Your caster then suffers a damage roll equal to the ARM of the removed Bane Knight. A Boostable, auto hit, POW 21. That averages 31 damage on 3 dice, and your friendly neighborhood Rhyas has a piddly armour of 14 and 16 boxes. Thats 30 to kill her.


Cheers for the heads up- I will definately look out for that one as it definately sounds nasty! Do you know if she has a way around transfering that damage of with rapport etc? I do not own Prime unfortunately (awaiting Primal) so have no reference bar what Battle College explains.


Depending on the opposing list I'm not sure how bad off you'd be for soul tokens.

I don't think he'll be playing Terminus or Ven so hopefully i should miss out on that.


But looking at your tweaked list I'd probably suggest dropping maybe the Soldier and Legionnaires for either a Carnivean or Angel and Forsaken. But then again, your point about Massacre on Rhyas is pretty sweet... something I'll want to try out.

Exactly the predicament i'm in now:( dont know whether i want Massacre on the feat, or an extra bulldozer with teeth...

Any one else with experience against cryx, please feel free to drop a line & give your much wanted advice too :)