No Ripjaw love?

[DaGrimOne]

I know it's up since Friday and with the Hordes Fieldtest coming in today and a spiffy new forum it somehow is oooold news, but hey...

Cryx get's a new bonejack arc node, WITH A BONESAW...

So, give it some love guys, I know you like Bonesaws ;)

[Snarl]

It's a re-cut Deathripper with a new lower jaw. It's nice enough, but hardly an awe-inspiring 'must have' piece. I guess I feel a bit underwhelmend by it.

[viperidae99]

Cryx are SOOO Warmachine Mk2.

This place is run by Hordes Mk2 now. The only Ripjaw love you'll see will be from a Mk2 Bronzeback's fist as it sails through the air ;)

[McCryx]

Unless the ripjaw is 3 points OR has such an amazing new ability (like being able to channel in melee) there is really no reason to take another over costed arc node.

The Cryx forums mostly agree that the new MKII point costs lead our faction by the nose to the accursed infantry machine. Terminus anyone? Yes thank you!

-Cheers-

p.s. I CANT WAIT UNTIL MKII HORDES IS RELEASED (6:50am here)

[captainspud]

The model is pretty uninspiring (honestly, aside from a dramatic repose, there's not a lot you can do to make an interesting new bone chicken), and functionally, it's just another melee (ie, useless) arc node.

Meh. I don't see anybody getting very excited about it.

[Writer@Large]

Yeah, "Meh" about sums it up. I love the sleeker sculpt, and if I didn't already own 4 of each bonejack type I'd consider picking one up for that alone, but it's most likely just a Deathripper with a Shred ability--which means it isn't a 3 pt. or even a 4 pt. arcnode, but more likely a 5 pt. arcnode (thus, one each melee and ranged node for 4pt and 5 pt).

As a faction, Cryx players are so annoyed with the new arcnode costs (without the bonechickens becoming any more survivable) that I see the Ripjaw becoming a victim of poor sales.

--W@L

[CyberKnight]

Doesn't help that the pic on the front page leaves you wondering "what the heck is going on there?". You can't tell what that mess is under the jaw until you rotate the 360 a little and see what's there.

Mostly, It just makes me wish I could easily remove the heads from my current 5 bonechickens and just buy bits to modularize them to allow me to field up to 2 of each. Under the new costs, I can't see using more than 2-3 MAX in 50pt game. As it is, I'd have to be really wowed by the rules to buy it.

[DaGrimOne]

To be honest, those are the answers I expected, but I thought it at least deserved its own thread :)

Myself, I hoped for a completely different build of arc nodes for Cryx, but it seems that won't happen anytime soon.

[Rosicrucian]

Deathripper with critical shred instead of sustained attack? Could be kinda fun with Mortenebra, but otherwise nothing too exciting there.

[MrMiyagi]

Some of the old chasis maybe weren't worth saving?

They should have done mk2 versions of the old chasis maybe. A lot of the old chasis are pretty ugly. And if you base 12 jacks off of them, well, you're headed toward a line that visually isn't going to compete well with other games.

A plastic kit that can build 3 variations was brilliant, keeping the original look was bonehead stupid.

[Loveless]

It's a freaking huge Bone Chicken with a terrifying saw. I'm actually fond of it, I just don't know what niche it fills. We already have a melee Chicken, which is just an Arc Node on legs for all intents and purposes - I'm at a loss as to what this will offer. Although, the description makes it sound like it should be able to do locks.

[Silopolis]

It's a freaking huge Bone Chicken with a terrifying saw. I'm actually fond of it, I just don't know what niche it fills. We already have a melee Chicken, which is just an Arc Node on legs for all intents and purposes - I'm at a loss as to what this will offer. Although, the description makes it sound like it should be able to do locks.

That's what gets me, really. What's the point? The Deathripper getting into melee pretty much means it's dead, so any attack at all is like a consolation prize. The Ripjaw looks pretty cool, and its (extremely well-hidden) bonesaw looks intimidating, and... well, I wouldn't mind a new set of plastic light warjack kits. But another overpriced bonechicken arc node isn't super thrilling, especially given that if it's anything better than the Deathripper, it'll be even MORE overcosted (I'd much rather get a ranged attack for the same points), and if it's not anything better than the Deathripper, then what's the point?

[George Spiggott]

I may convert a pair of Deathrippers into them. Nobody needs four Deathrippers (and two defilers and two Nightwreches) in MkII

[Sevwall]

Its got to have POW 13 with sustained. It just has to.

[ResurrectioN]

^ so it is Deathripper alternate sculpt?

[megatron0]

i actually quite like it, im not a cryx player but i love how sleek it looks

[captainspud]

Its got to have POW 13 with sustained. It just has to.
Wouldn't that make it EXACTLY the same as the Deathripper?

[Cantor]

I don't know Cryx, but I had to use the 360 degree view thing to be able to tell the difference between this and the other chickens. I'm going to agree with most other people and say that this is a sadly boring addition to Cryx.

[Rynth]

An auto locking melee attack, possibly w/ critical amputation? Sustained or Shred makes it, IMO, too similar to a Deathripper.

[Writer@Large]

An auto locking melee attack, possibly w/ critical amputation?
Crit amputation is something we see on the Destroyer's axe. The closest in-game weapon right now is the Renegade's saw, which is Sustained Attack and Crit Shred. Since the DR has Sustained Attack already, it seems too easy to just tack the Crit Shred rule to it, tack on a point, and call it a Ripjaw. Not that that's what I want, but it's what I'm expecting.

--W@L

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

I think the head looks really cool, and I also think that Privateer will give it rules that will make it an appealing choice in most lists. I highly doubt they would make it THAT similar to the deathripper.

[theOREO]

If it can run its face along the ground for speed 8 and pathfinder, I'm game. Even then, it would have been great in Mk1 when nodes were much more significant. In MkII, not so much.

I'm more excited about the Corruptor. It looks useful and I bet it gets more table time than what looks like another 5pt arc node.

EDIT - Check it out Sevwall, you're a Lubber no more!

[HandsomeDan]

I was very surprised to see Cryx get a new arc node. I was thinking they'd get a shooting bonejack, or another melee bonejack that was more straightforward than the burrowing Helldiver or leaping Stalker both of which just feel too quirky to be the go-to light melee options. The fact that it exists at all seems to be the strongest evidence that there will be plastic light resculpts. Useless or not I can't imagine Cryx players not feeling at least a little slighted if they were the only ones to not get 4 options out of their "light kit."

[Silopolis]

I was very surprised to see Cryx get a new arc node. I was thinking they'd get a shooting bonejack, or another melee bonejack that was more straightforward than the burrowing Helldiver or leaping Stalker both of which just feel too quirky to be the go-to light melee options. The fact that it exists at all seems to be the strongest evidence that there will be plastic light resculpts. Useless or not I can't imagine Cryx players not feeling at least a little slighted if they were the only ones to not get 4 options out of their "light kit."

I'd love to see another non-arc bonejack option. I always find the Helldiver and Stalker more fun to field, for some reason. The arcs, for their fragility, were great when I could afford to have a backup or two for when someone inevitably sneezed on them and they died. Now I'd rather have a Slayer.

Maybe the Ripjaw will be Super Awesome and will make getting a melee bonejack worthwhile. Until then, I'll be over here sneering at my 4-point walking arc nodes. :)

[jandrese]

I have to admit, I read the description on Ripjaw and my first thought was: So it's a Deathripper with...Sustained attack? Um, what exactly is this guy going to bring to the table? It could have Amputation, but that's a pretty marginal skill (does it even exist anymore in Mk II final?)

I really can't say anything else about it until the rules come out, because the description just doesn't help at all.

[allistorpreist]

It looks plastic. Is that just me daydreaming?

Could be an actualy pin ability more than a sustaned attack.

Compared to the firefly it is not all that exciting, but there is only so much you can do with a bonechicken. A more dangerous melee bonejack (assuming it is still 4 points) would actually be pretty awesome.

My doomsaying will probably wait for a little while. :cool:

[komodokeeper]

Just a thought for everyone: this and the firefly are based off of chassis seen in the original prime...kinda like the heavies they just released (in a matter of speaking) as interchangeable plastic kits. I think they (pps) is hinting at a new plastic kit featuring lights. I know Khador doesn't hold to this too well, but just remember they got bits for a 4th heavy jack in their plastic kits. Following me??? would be cool.

[GaspysInhaler]

I'm in the same boat as almost every other Cryx player who remarked on it.

Completely uninspired.

Most Cryx players don't like how our arc-nodes are overpriced and fragile. We also don't use them for melee, we use them to arc spells. You cannot arc spells while in melee, so what is the point in making another melee bone chicken? Like I said in the other thread, I would love it if the ripjaw has extra ARM and hit boxes, or could arc in melee, but I do not see that happening.

[unclebrazzie]

Can't and won't speculate about stats & abilities. I'm sort of hoping PP won't disappoint there.

Sculpt-wise, what can I say that hasn't already been said? I like the lower mandible, even if the saw is pretty much invisble, but that's about all that's new. Uninspired is one way to put that, but I'm sure others would call this an economic decision. I for one would have like to see more variety in the chassis, since now we have 4 jacks that all look so alike you'd have to paint 'm differently to properly discern them.
The difference between the 3-models-in-1 approach for Helljacks being that 1) Helljacks are larger and hence more distinguishable and 2) bonejacks differ only in the shape of their tiny li'l heads.

In short: I'm sort of lukewarm over this. Unless it has some neat ability, I'm sticking to my Rippers, with one or two assorted shooting chickens.

[mathieu]

PP's decided to release new light warjacks, and I have a strong feeling they decided these had to come in plastic kits the same way heavies do. The cool thing about such a decision is that we'd get a re-sculpt of our original lights, and a conversion friendly plastic re-sculpt at that. On the flip side they can't do but so much with such a limited chassis, hence a very uninspired "new" model.

It'd just be unfortunate that the decision to release a new model be purely driven by how to fit it in a box rather than what the faction needs or visual appeal.

[Marius]

PP's decided to release new light warjacks, and they decided these had to come in plastic kits the same way heavies do. The cool thing about this decision is that we get a re-sculpt of our original lights, and a conversion friendly plastic re-sculpt at that. On the flip side they can't do but so much with such a limited chassis, hence a very uninspired "new" model.


Really? I don't recall there being anything but presumption that it's plastic, or that there will be resculpts of the other lights. Do you know somthing we don't or was that just badly phrased?

Don't get me wrong, i'd love the lights to be plastic, but untill we know either way saying that they are is just misleading to people.

And more OT, i echo the uninspired statement. I don't dislike it, but i do feel sorry for the Cryx players as it's really not that impressive. On the other hand, what else could you do with that chasis...

[ResurrectioN]

...snip...

And more OT, i echo the uninspired statement. I don't dislike it, but i do feel sorry for the Cryx players as it's really not that impressive. On the other hand, what else could you do with that chasis...

Well they could make 3 pt jack without node.
Pow 11 sustained attack and gains additional attack as long as it makes dmg.
Or auto-armlock on first hit and additional attack if initial attack hits.

[Loveless]

Well they could make 3 pt jack without node.
Pow 11 sustained attack and gains additional attack as long as it makes dmg.
Or auto-armlock on first hit and additional attack if initial attack hits.

They could, but it's not the Ripjaw. The Arc Node is pretty prevalent on this one.

[Marius]

Well they could make 3 pt jack without node.
Pow 11 sustained attack and gains additional attack as long as it makes dmg.
Or auto-armlock on first hit and additional attack if initial attack hits.

That is true. But, to contradict my other post slightly, if they are indeed doing this jack to make a 4th bonejack for a plastic kit or as part of a series of resculpts, it has to have an arc node, otherwise it would use a different body to the others. Although, i guess the arc node could be a seperate piece.

[Wishing]

That is true. But, to contradict my other post slightly, if they are indeed doing this jack to make a 4th bonejack for a plastic kit or as part of a series of resculpts, it has to have an arc node, otherwise it would use a different body to the others. Although, i guess the arc node could be a seperate piece.

Yeah, they could have designed the new chicken bodies to have a basic body that you can then attach a node to, like with the Cygnar and Menite lights. However, the PP modus seems to be that the node is integral to that chassis, and bonejacks without nodes have to have a new chassis. Why I'm not sure, but c'est la vie.

[mathieu]

Really? I don't recall there being anything but presumption that it's plastic, or that there will be resculpts of the other lights.
You are right, this was indeed presumption (I reworded accordingly). I have a hard time believing this guy won't be plastic and won't come in a set allowing to build any of our chickens. Chances are that a model so much larger than all our other nodes and yet so similar would hurt sales (a lot of people would pick one or the others).

In my opinion, if this guy is metal that's a poor business decision and a bewildering design choice. If it is plastic that's a much more logical business move (because it'd come with all the other ones), and only a completely uninspired (yet logical as well) design. PP tends to make smart (if pedestrian) decisions, hence my straight rejecting the metal hypothesis :)

[jandrese]

Personally, I would be shocked if they aren't building on what appears to be a successful experiment with the Retribution heavies and consolidating their lights into a single box. This goes right with their stated goal of reducing the number of SKUs and keeps the costs under control.

In fact, I would also be surprised if they're stopping at just the prime lights. I could see boxes for:

Cygnar Prime Heavies
Cygnar Prime Lights
Cygnar Escalation Heavies
Cygnar Escalation Lights

The same boxes for the Protectorate.

Cyrx Bonejacks
Cryx Helljacks
Cryx Crabjacks
I don't know if the Stalker and Helldiver are similar enough to share parts, but I'll assume so and say they get a third and maybe fourth configuration for a box as well.

Khador Prime Heavies
Khador Escalation Heavies
Khador Miscellaneous Heavies??

The great thing about making these boxes is that it's really easy to add a different head and maybe arm or two to the mold while you're making it, allowing you to create a new design for cheap, and players love new designs.

[Warlordtheft]

Cyrx Bonejacks
Cryx Helljacks
Cryx Crabjacks
I don't know if the Stalker and Helldiver are similar enough to share parts, but I'll assume so and say they get a third and maybe fourth configuration for a box as well.



The stalker does not have any shared parts with the helldiver. We will know if it is plastic when Privateer comments on this.....<insert hint here>

[gold pants]

i really dont like this model. can i use thunderbolt attack with my pikachu on it?
now if it had 2 more leg...things and a top hat, then we'd be in business

[CT GAMER]

My main Cryx opponent's comment upon me showing him this was:

"Great another bonechicken. I'll take one of the eight deathrippers I have now, dremel a slot in his bottom jaw and add a saw blade..."

His reaction in a word: "underwhelmed"

[Skaramush]

Underwhelming and uninspiring, hopefully it will have a story behind it and stats to make it stand out some. As is all my friends thought that cryx was going to get something along the lines of cankerworm another semi light jack.

[Reemule]

I was hoping it had no arc node.

[Oldgrue]

I'm in the same boat - skip then node and gimme something wild.

As for the saw - I would have rather had it mounted on the top of the jaw like a bony table saw.

[Azurath]

It seems I'm the only Cryx player who is, at least initially, excited to be getting another arc node. But then, like everyone else, I saw it, and was underwhelmed. It doesn't bother me that the sculpt isn't dynamic or anything. Like someone else said, there is only so much that you can do with the bone chicken chassis. I am underwhelmed because it seems like a rehashed Deathripper, which is already overcosted and dead if you ever put it to the use its weaponry intends. I honestly was hoping for a weaponless bonechicken, with the obligatory arc node. Just give me access to a cheap and fast arc node again. It doesn't need a weapon, because its purpose is to arc spells. Is that too much to ask?

[Dealer]

Another stalker-like light jack would have made much more sense in my opinion. That way they could always release a plastic box with diferent configuration options.
- Helljack box (Reaper, Slayer, Corruptor)
- Bonejack box (Nightwrench, Defiler, etc)
- Crabjack box (Harrower, Leviathan)
- Stalkerjack box (Stalker, X)

[Pendargon]

It's a node. Worse off, it is a melle node. The worse place for node to be.
I don't care if it weapon turns enemy warjacks into chocolate cake.
I want it for channeling.
And I want it for 3 points.
If not- do not bother to wake me up when rules come 'a knockin...

[Fynox]

Wait till you all find out it it's saw is P+S 25. Bwahahahahaha!! Khador shall fear its bite!

[Turtle]

Well, to be honest it sounds like all the saw type weapons are made for cutting through armor. The khador now has a buzzsaw of its own and in the flavor text it's described to cut through enemy armor with both its saw and field gun.

[Warlordtheft]

Maybe it has AP instead of sustained attack....:)

[CT GAMER]

Maybe it has AP instead of sustained attack....:)


:eek:

AP would be nasty.

It should have been made without node so it could be a cheap melee seeking missile....

[AtomicNecrotech]

:eek:

AP would be nasty.

It should have been made without node so it could be a cheap melee seeking missile....

Hah! For all we know it might be an 8 point light with Dismember, Dismantle, AND AP! :p



PS: We really know nothing

[Skaramush]

Dismantle would make it viable i suppose vs lightly armoured targets since its probably going to be power 13-14. It wont be ap since cankerworm already does that.

[Prismatik]

In checking out the two, the Ripjaw DOES look like an updated bonejack, it's not the same past chassis. Those that wondered if this lil fellow is plastic may just be right. I can't imagine that PP would go through all the trouble to actually resculpt a new bonejack (that's based from the old sculpt) out of METAL.

http://privateerpress.com/files/imagecache/1up/products/Ripjaw.png http://privateerpress.com/files/imagecache/1up/products/cryx/warjacks/deathripper.png
(they're NOT to scale.)

Here's hoping that we're getting a plastic kit with differing heads and cowls and not simply a new bodied bonejack.

[Shinobiwolf1980]

It might have Carpentry... oh wait it says bonesaw... not circular saw...hmmm....

[Grot6]

I know it's up since Friday and with the Hordes Fieldtest coming in today and a spiffy new forum it somehow is oooold news, but hey...

Cryx get's a new bonejack arc node, WITH A BONESAW...

So, give it some love guys, I know you like Bonesaws ;)

I'd like to know if there is a way to add a chain gun to the top of the beast, with that saw under the mouth part.

An arc node with a gun, seeing as they had a couple with one, a gun, the other a spray weapon.

If not, what there needs to be a couple of arc nodes that shoot lightning, or something.

The bonesaw, just by itself just makes me want to shoot it without a second thought. Compared to the other cryx ones, this little guy seems outclassed in a few areas.

I like the bonesaw, but it needs some firepower.

[Elitistb]

In checking out the two, the Ripjaw DOES look like an updated bonejack, it's not the same past chassis.
I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to say here, or at least I'm not certain you are using the word "chassis" correctly.

The slayer, reaper, and that new injector one are all the same chassis. Arguably the seether is the same chassis as well, despite the slight variations here and there.

This ripjaw does not evince sufficient disparity to other bonejacks to be called a new chassis. It is almost exactly like the other arc-node bonejacks. It does appear to have a new sculpt, but it has been suggested and it seems likely that the generic body type is what all bonejacks of that chassis will look like.

Basically it boils down to "Same chassis, new sculpt".

[Achiles]

I think that is what he is saying. Same chassis, new sculpt. He seems to think, and I tend to agree, that the new sculpt implies a plastic model.

I think the model looks alright. The only thing I don't think looks gud is that upper jaw. That upper jaw makes it look to much like a Deathripper, hides the buzzsaw and realistically would probably get in the way of the saw cutting it's victim.

A saw sticking out with a pair of mandibles instead of a head would just look freaky scary too.