Broken Cryx Models Being Fixed?

[theWestWinds]

You know, I was just wondering what happens with our Cryx models that are still broken. Now that the WM Field Test is good and done, what is their "policy" on modifying a model?s stats? Take eGoreshade for example. It seems like there is a far and wide consensus that he is, by far, our worst caster. Everyone seems to agree that he fills no real role and is just not effective. Is there a chance that PP will change his stats when our book is released? Or are these stats pretty much set-in-stone till MKIII?

And if they are not set-in-stone for a model like eGoreshade, who is resoundingly recognized by the Cryx community as a broken, why haven't they changed it? Do they need more feedback? More time?

I guess it's just depressing when every time I play a bottom rung model, like eGoreshade (or any of the others), it reinforces how it is not playable no matter how many times I try, or lists I try it with. And then I hop on the forums and everyone is saying the same things I experienced. And then I watch the Hordes field test fixing models only to realize that our field test is long gone. And if all the complaining we did over eGoreshade back during our field test did nothing, is there any chance PP is just going to fix him out of the blue? I would love to think the answer is yes, but it seems less and less likely.

Does anyone have any actual knowledge of how their updating process works for models? Or any experience on how they have done it in the past (as I have only been playing for about 2 years).

NOTE: This is not really a thread to discuss which models are broken, or if a model is broken or not, more on how broken models get, or will get, dealt with post Warmachine Field Test.

[DeathMagnetic]

We were told that changes were set in stone when FT ended, but since then, Blood Gorgers got hit with the nerf stick hard, so its unknown if changes were truly finalized...let us all hope not.

[theWestWinds]

We were told that changes were set in stone when FT ended, but since then, Blood Gorgers got hit with the nerf stick hard, so its unknown if changes were truly finalized...let us all hope not.
Ya. I would like to think they could change our models for the better, but the gorgers are the only ones in Cryx I have heard of getting a modification, and it was for the worse. Has anything since the FT gotten changed for the better?

[TimVanBoening]

Ya. I would like to think they could change our models for the better, but the gorgers are the only ones in Cryx I have heard of getting a modification, and it was for the worse. Has anything since the FT gotten changed for the better?

The only thing I can think of is the Reaper and Deathjack. Deathjack lost a lot of good things, but gained a few, so don't go "What the crap, are you insane?? Necrovent was the best thing since toenail clippers!!"

[Sabin]

While I would love to see something happen with eShade and the Drudges I doubt it will, Soles has stuck up for him a couple of times when we have argued about him.

My biggest proofing request by far is to see something done about the covenant and rebuke, I am completely fed up playing denial jack walls and having to write lists specifically to deal with it.

[blakeh1]

The only thing I see happening to models from the field test is errata

Epic Goreshade I believe is set in stone at this point

[ErsatzGnomes]

from looking at things, I really sort of wish egoreshade and the cephalyx stuff would get some errata to make them not useless.

it wouldn't hurt to give revenant crew a bit of a boost as well

[rydiafan]

Calling epic Goreshade "useless" or "broken" is absurdly overstating it. He's a perfectly solid, but not top tier, caster.

[69Lazarus]

Calling epic Goreshade "useless" or "broken" is absurdly overstating it. He's a perfectly solid, but not top tier, caster.


Agreed.

I certainly like him least of all our casters but that is becasue he is "boring" and dotes on infantrymachine which is something I was trying to get away from in MK II.

Something I noticed is that although there is a overwhelming opinion that he "sucks" many of the people who said that still won with him regularly (myself included).


Much like E-Gaspy, he could grow in power with each new release of infantry or solos etc. The Tier system may also make something more viable.

In the end though- there will always be a "worst" caster....someone has to be at the bottom.

[Kaptain Von]

Much like E-Gaspy, he could grow in power with each new release of infantry or solos etc. The Tier system may also make something more viable.


Agreed. If Goreshade's Tier list unpacks options in the army list that wouldn't otherwise be available and has access to some mean shenanigans, I wouldn't be surprised to see the dislike fade away slightly.

I'm kind of looking forward to the Tiers. Some of them seem fairly obvious - I'd be surprised if Skarre's didn't involve unlocking the FA on the Sea Witch, for instance - but I'd be really interested to see, say, Mortenebra's or Asphyxious'.

[Sabin]

Calling epic Goreshade "useless" or "broken" is absurdly overstating it. He's a perfectly solid, but not top tier, caster.

It's not a case of being o.k, he has no real niche, even if he would see play rarely in other factions he fills no roll that another caster couldn't do better in ours. If you know you are playing Rahn or Greylord lists you might field him for Arcane consumption, you can also create a bit of a come back from the dead list with banes and necrosurgeons, that is all he has going for him compared to casters like epic Deneghra who pull off all the same tricks only better.

[FederationX]

from looking at things, I really sort of wish egoreshade and the cephalyx stuff would get some errata to make them not useless.

it wouldn't hurt to give revenant crew a bit of a boost as well
Does anyone know if that whole LOS issue with the Cannon Crew getting +2 to RAT from Rengrave was ever ruled on? I'm not finding that thread in the rules forum any longer.
Grr stupid forum reboot!

[Sabin]

Yes, the cannon gets +2 rat from rengrave. It requires LoS to Rengrave even if the actual attack doesn't require LoS.

[Gentlesamurai]

Related to this, what happens when we all play warmachine and hordes MKII together. There is bound to be more problems. Are we going to be dealing with all sorts of errata at that point again?

I'd almost like to see the final print and release of rules and models to wait a few more months to let us play with them all together for a while. Hopefully avoiding the pages of errata we had with prime and remix.

[FederationX]

Yes, the cannon gets +2 rat from rengrave. It requires LoS to Rengrave even if the actual attack doesn't require LoS.
Yeah, 'cause we wouldn't want the Cannon Crew to be too under powered or anything... /sarcasm

[Sabin]

Had a joke with Darknesse about the cannon during the field test, we both forgot to sumbit feedback until the last couple of days because we thought it was beyond fixing