Gator Test Games (vs all melee and high ARM)

[Sevwall]

Slightly modified list over last time

Barnabas
Wrastler
Wrastler
Wrongeye/Snapjaw
5 gators
5 Gators
Totem Hunter
Thrullg
Croak
Croak

vs

Zaal
Gladiator
Drake
10 preats (UA?)
10 Immortals
min paingivers
2 AGs
bloodrunners
bloodrunner solo
2 void spirits
Tyrant Commander and Standard

I went first. I ran up, for the most part. I mean, he had no ranged, so whats the point. I cast warpath. Why not.

He moved forward, presenting the bloodrunners as bait that I could kill, but would leave me in charge range of most of his force.

I sent the croak hunter in to trigger Warpath, since both of my beasts were in the way of Barnabus. One unit of gators then too rerolls and wrecked some bait as well as triggering the second warpath. Barnabus charged a gator for range, and feated. I caught most of his force, as well as the Tyrant commander that was at the edge of range and was going to undo my feat. One wrastler threw the other, killing a praetorian, and that gator trampled to the Tyrant, killing him and 2 dudes on the way in. I had just abused the throw (possible with a self animus) to ruin his melee centric list for a turn. My other stuff messed him up good, but I forgot that his AGs had steady.

He feated, the AGs charged me after some praets shuffled out of the way. I tried to countercharge a Paetorian to get myself out of dodge, but I couldn't get far enough. They failed to kill, even with last stand and the feat, due to my 3 transfers. He finished his turn, but Zaal was dead to 2 gators and a totem hunter who had his as prey.

Another game won purely on the back of Rise. Weeeee.

Second game vs

Vayl
Carnivean
Ravagore
Scythean
Seraph
Typhon
Shredder
2 shepherds
forsaken

I went first again. I knew that I couldn't crack his beef on turns he could animus up, so I was determined to force him into a situation where I could throw Barney FTW. I based the entire gameplan around it.

3 swamps to defer the ranged attacks, and I fit everything but the solos in.

He shot some solos and moved forward.

I ran up a unit of gators with the second in a supporting position, IFed the front line gators and hid my beasts and barney in a swamp.

He went, feated and incited, killing the frontline gators then retreating back to encircle vayl. Safe from my throw.

I went, and the 5 remaining gators charged the Forsaken and the Scythean, killing both. The remaing Croak hunter hit the carnivean with a P+S 12 + 4d6 (yeah gang fighter and poison!), ripping off its mind. The Totem hunter tried and failed twice to hit a shepherd. I couldn't pull off a throw kill, so I put both beasts in a swamp with Barny.

Typhon cleared out the remaining gators, except for one straggler. He moved up to incite, chillered the carnivean, and charged the carnivean forward, forgetting about the tiny croak hunter, who ripped off a huge portion of body. He made his charge into range of both, and Barny countercharged to do 6 points and finish ripping off body. He killed a wrastler.

Next turn he was open for the throw, even though he was screened by beasts. I threw my caster, stood him up, feated, and attacked over the KDed beasts. What a dirty win.

Both wins were purely enabled by the animus. The first game works even if you make the animus self, and the second game works if you make it friendly faction. There is no good way to change this animius.

I'm so playing this faction.

[Devilsquid]

So, you're playing the faction because you like gators, or because you want to prove just how wrong and abusive the wrasslers animus is?

[Sevwall]

I'm playing the faction because I really enjoy the flavor of the faction and am enthralled with the power of the warlock (forces you to get into melee while posessing Iron Flesh and a KD feat to win said melee match, plus Countercharge on a warlock is a thing of beauty) and the manueverability provided by flying throws. As a player I use any and all tactics to my advantage, including throwing models and then standing them up. I commented at the end on the animus because there is still some question as to what the final wording will be, so some games could not be won with different wording (faction/self/other). The other mentions are factual, both games rested solely on Rise's haunches, as a tactic I took advantage of.

If you're curious, I'm trying to net Wrong Eye and Snapjaw in trade (goodbye, Rorsh and Brine), and will be getting Barnabas when he drops, although Wrastlers will have to wait for more excess funding. Croak hunters after, since I have no desire to paint them.

If the flying throw tactic is removed, I will still play the faction.

[Bladestorm]

In my humble opinion the good way to change it is to add "that was not thrown or slammed this turn" after "model". That way it allows deathroll to work, it allows the warlock to stand up his beasts without forcing them, but it stops the flying aspect dead.

[Robert Shepherd]

In either case, some battle reports from the gators make for interesting reading material. Thanks Sev.

[warlorddrax]

here's to hoping that that animus will be for Faction Models only...
considering our highly limited army list and our relative lack of speed and hitting power, i think that it would be good if the Gators retained exclusive rights to the Gator Throw. that would be AWESOME!!!

just a few more weeks until the Croctober releases

[Bladestorm]

As both a minion and a merc, Wrongeye would retain the ability to supply it to people like Gorten in Four if it was made friendly faction, so it wouldn't really be exclusive even then.

[ColdYinTiger]

I think its fun that they got the throw thing as their faction feature (Along with Amphibious) though even as a person who will be getting them, I want it to be friendly faction for that fun. It seems like they are going to be a blast. I hope the spitter and snapper end up as much fun, along with Mr. Voodoo himself.

[Verjigorm]

As both a minion and a merc, Wrongeye would retain the ability to supply it to people like Gorten in Four if it was made friendly faction, so it wouldn't really be exclusive even then.

Yeah, but there's much less shenanigans that can be pulled in fourstar, than in all of Hordes and Cryx.

[Bladestorm]

Yeah, but there's much less shenanigans that can be pulled in fourstar, than in all of Hordes and Cryx.

This is quite true. :)

But at the same time if there is one person in all of Hordes and Cryx who wants to be thrown, it is probably Gorten, so he can engineer say 5x MAT 10, P+S 18 attacks and a MAT 10, P+S 13 attack from starting up to 26.5" away :D. (Numbers may improve when I give it more serious thought)

[Mod_Faultie]

If you do the math, don't forget Bokur Slams, Gator-tosses, and Madelyn Corbeau!

[Sevwall]

You just have to remember to not upkeep solid ground, because that ruins the trick.

[absent]

Why are you talking about mercs sevwall? Thats the faction no one cares about remember?

[carnage4u]

Sevwall only goal is to try to push his agenda that the wrastler animus is broken, and he will continue to post staged battle reports and fuzzy math until he confuses enough people into actually believing him and harass PP enough to make a change, or he will just continue forever, or until Cryx gets some new models he hates more.

[Creaux]

Oh, Carnage4u, you're so funny. No, these were club games, played and watched in a crowded room. I've fought against it, and he's used it against good players. It's a freakish bit of strength to have an army that ignores important range and magic attacks while possessing powerful melee denial and having a pretty reliable assassination trick.

And Sevwall will be perfectly happy if Rise stays as it is; it's more of a "Privateer knew full well what it could do, and released it anyway" deal.

[Sevwall]

Shhhh Creaux, you don't exist. You are just an alt I use to give credence to my false battle reports and fuzzy math!

It doesn't ignore magic though. You yourself used Chain lightning to kill and maim gators.

[Fellio]

Seems like a super fun yet super competitive build. I actually hope Rise stays.
Makes me wish I waited to pick up the Gators! But hopefully we'll see awesome new stuff released for pigs soon.

[Creaux]

But I targeted things outside of the blast for my chain lightning to hit. Don't tell me that Trencher Gary didn't have to die there. I TOTALLY would have won that game if I had had Trencher Gary.

[Fellio]

I bet Gary was a smug ******* before he died.

[Creaux]

I don't know how smug the guy can be, he just missed a shot at a croak hunter, while the rest of his buddies went off to shoot at a thrullg.

Actually, I missed killing the thrullg with that CRA by 2 damage points. If it were just one, then that would really be funny, as I wouldn't have thrown my stormclad at it.

With two three-man CRAs, though, let's see...RAT 8 to DEF 3, POW 14 does 5 damage...dang, that would have likely worked. I was out of range for that to happen that round, but still.

[Sevwall]

You had nothing else to kill the Thrullg other than the stormclad. You would have had Gary, but I would have had WARBLEGARBLEGARBLE!

[Space Donkey]

You would have had Murlocs? Dear Gods don't make me turn a unit of Bog Trogs into Murlocs.

[Sevwall]

My Thrullg is an angry zoidburg/murlock combo. Sounds kinda like a Turkey, or at least his battlecry does, when I warble it out whenever he moves or charges.

I swear, its endearing ;).

[bouncymischa]

You would have had Murlocs? Dear Gods don't make me turn a unit of Bog Trogs into Murlocs.

I think our local Gator fan is planning to turn his Croak Hunters into Murlocs... Or something. I know he's planning to turn something into Murlocs, I just can't remember which. XD

[Cannibalbob]

You would have had Murlocs? Dear Gods don't make me turn a unit of Bog Trogs into Murlocs.

They already are murlocs for all intents and purposes.

[absent]

I don't know how smug the guy can be, he just missed a shot at a croak hunter, while the rest of his buddies went off to shoot at a thrullg.

Actually, I missed killing the thrullg with that CRA by 2 damage points. If it were just one, then that would really be funny, as I wouldn't have thrown my stormclad at it.

With two three-man CRAs, though, let's see...RAT 8 to DEF 3, POW 14 does 5 damage...dang, that would have likely worked. I was out of range for that to happen that round, but still.


So you are the one that blackoiled your own cyclone? Bet you wish you had that one back.

You know that while the cyclone is blackoiled/engaged it can still covering fire, since CF is an action, not an attack, right? That looked really weird in the so called battle report, that the cyclone moved instead of laying down CF.

[Verjigorm]

Sevwall only goal is to try to push his agenda that the wrastler animus is broken, and he will continue to post staged battle reports and fuzzy math until he confuses enough people into actually believing him and harass PP enough to make a change, or he will just continue forever, or until Cryx gets some new models he hates more.

While I can agree that SevWall can be a bit..ahem, ZEALOUS, at times regarding his current cause, the rest of your post is blatant trolling. Don't do that.

[Sevwall]

So you are the one that blackoiled your own cyclone? Bet you wish you had that one back.

What, are we now deriding my opponents and friends now? Did you know that the chances of him black oiling his own cyclone were 14% (only one deviation direct, not on a distance of 1)? I'm sure you didn't, because you read an online report of the game. Did you know that it looked impossible, but happened to be just, just close enough? No, I'm sure you didn't, because you read an online report of the game.

So, please, if you want to attack my play and thoughts, thats fine, but please leave others out of it as you disect

the so called battle report

Its a poor environment when one hesitates to post battlereports for fears that his friends play will come under attack.

[Mod_Faultie]

I understand that this thread is getting heated, but I'm going to channel CT Gamer for a second here. When you give an account, on the internet of all places, of an event that you're trying to use as leverage in a debate, please don't be surprised when someone criticizes any aspect of it. Nothing against Sevwall, absent, or (LEAST OF ALL!) Creaux (to whom I owe drinks!), but the other player is 1/2 of the game. If you're talking about said game, at least entertain the idea that someone might criticize the other 1/2 of it, and not limit their dissection and critique to your 1/2, especially when you attempt to use the experience as an illustration and example.

[Fellio]

Since I play Menoth, I'm used to fire, but these flames are getting to be too hot even for me!

(WOW! Look at that bad joke and laugh at my patheticness!)

In all seriousness, I hope Sevwall and friends continue to post these battlereports.

[Sevwall]

I'm perfectly fine with someone saying 'you're opponent made a mistake, this game wasn't a perfect played, flawless representation of how the game could have gone'. Which is kinda silly anyway, since every game has at least one mistake in it somewhere, but if you want to make that argument, thats fine. Its more the accusatory and derisive tone of the post that gets me. I leave the names of my opponents out so that they don't get dragged into my debates, and yet as soon as absent caught a hint of who my opponent was, he posted a derisive and accusatory post directly addressing a person who has had no real part of the debate other than to play a friendly game with me that wasn't even reported on in this thread. I believe that, at the very least, crosses the line of acceptable posting on these forums.

Again, both sides did participate on the game (and are fair game for a tactical discussion), but only one side is reporting it, so keep your personal attacks directed at me.

[bouncymischa]

Of course, I'd be curious to see any of the pro-Barnabas side post battle reports of their own losses, so we can pick apart their tactical errors and mistakes... XD

[Mod_Faultie]

Since I play Menoth, I'm used to fire, but these flames are getting to be too hot even for me!

(WOW! Look at that bad joke and laugh at my patheticness!)I don't know if I should love this forever, or hate you for eternity. I think I'll err on the side of caution and just love it forever.

Of course, I'd be curious to see any of the pro-Barnabas side post battle reports of their own losses, so we can pick apart their tactical errors and mistakes... XDI would, of course, but I never lose. ;)

[Si11y Putty]

My Thrullg is an angry zoidburg/murlock combo. Sounds kinda like a Turkey, or at least his battlecry does, when I warble it out whenever he moves or charges.

I swear, its endearing ;).

I'm another alt sevwall uses to give credence that his Thrullg's warble IS trully endearing :p. (And with that silly comment, let us usher in the peaceful future of this thread.)

[Creaux]

Yeah, I made a mistake or two on a round where I should have had an overcharged, distuptor'ed Thorn bullet hitting his 'caster.

Then, I proceeded to play my turn poorly, 'cause I was a little tired. I forgot that when I shake effects, I no longer can easily shoot the gatorman posse. I realized that I forgot to leave enough on Nemo to cast Disruptor (Stormclad had to cut Snapjaw in half). I didn't know that wrastlers could engage and be engaged while on the ground, so I probably wasn't anywhere as close to my assassination as I thought.

All told, I was pissed off enough at myself at that point. I'm not sure where the covering fire templates would have come in particularly useful.

[absent]

Thats cool, that was just a question i had for you.

As far as why i added "so called" in, it wasn't to rip on creaux, i just have a hard time calling a very biased account a report.

[Creaux]

Well, no one is going for a Pulitzer's here. I don't think the forum as a whole can really expect any sort of a baseline standard out of an account of a game.

[Fellio]

Well, no one is going for a Pulitzer's here. I don't think the forum as a whole can really expect any sort of a baseline standard out of an account of a game.

Speak for yourseelf, I want a Pulitzer.