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FearLord
12-19-2009, 09:06 AM
Now that we've had the ruling that arcane assassin only works on direct buffs to ARM or DEF:

http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=3089

I thought it might be nice to have a complete list for reference of all the buffs that models with arcane assassin can ignore. I'll start with Warmachine and update with Hordes later if people think this is useful.

First up, the current arcane assassins in Retribution are:

-Garryth, Blade of Retribution
-Mage Hunter Strike Force
-Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander
-Mage Hunter Assassin
-Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios

(It is worth noting that thanks to 'Blessed', Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen ignores all the buffs apart from focus points over boosting a Warcaster's powerfield).

So for Warmachine, the following effects are ignored:

KHADOR

Kommander Sorscha:
-Wind Rush

Forward Kommander Sorscha:
-Iron Flesh

The Butcher of Khardov:
-Iron Flesh

Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Prince:
-Blood of Kings

Kommandant Irusk:
-Iron Flesh
-Superiority

Karchev the Terrible:
-Sidearms

Zevanna Agha, The Old Witch of Khador:
-Iron Flesh

FearLord
12-19-2009, 09:07 AM
CRYX

Warwitch Deneghra:
-Parasite

Iron Lich Asphyxious:
-Parasite

Lich Lord Asphyxious:
-Parasite

Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast:
-Death Ward

Master Necrotech Mortenebra:
-Spectral Steel


CYGNAR

Commander Coleman Stryker:
-Arcane Shield
-Blur

Lord Commander Stryker:
-Deflection

Captain Victoria Haley:
-Arcane Shield

Major Victoria Haley:
-Deceleration

Lieutenant Allister Caine:
-Blur

Captain Allister Caine:
-Blur

Commander Adept Nemo:
-Deflection

General Adept Nemo:
-Fail Safe

Captain E. Dominic Darius:
-Fortify

Journeyman Warcaster:
-Arcane Shield


PROTECTORATE OF MENOTH

High Exemplar Kreoss:
-Defender's Ward

Grand Exemplar Kreoss:
-Inviolable Resolve

Grand Scrutator Severius:
-Defender's Ward

Hierarch Severius:
-Holy Ward

Feora, Protector of the Flame:
-Escort


MERCENARIES

Magnus the Traitor:
-Blur
-Temper Metal

Magnus the Warlord:
-Bullet Dodger

Ashlynn D'Elyse:
-Quicken

Captain Bartolo Montador:
-Batten Down the Hatches

Captain Phinneus Shae:
-Storm Rager


RETRIBUTION OF SCYRAH

Dawnlord Vyros:
-Inviolable Resolve

FearLord
12-19-2009, 09:13 AM
*Post reserved for Hordes buffs*

Demeritus
12-19-2009, 12:43 PM
Grand Scrutator Severius has Defenders Ward. Just on the downloadable cards, it is still referenced as Protection of Menoth.

FearLord
12-19-2009, 11:16 PM
Grand Scrutator Severius has Defenders Ward. Just on the downloadable cards, it is still referenced as Protection of Menoth.

Thanks - edited to clean this up...

So for a bit of commentary, it would seem that Cygnar is the Warmachine faction you'll get the most use out of Arcane Assassin against, and Retribution is the one you'll get the least out of...

Hordes still to come, when I've got some time!

Karam
12-20-2009, 11:08 AM
I feel the list is still lacking. Don't forget that spell-made cover and concealment are bypassed too. It is ANY spell-made def/arm bonus.
For example Khador's old witches "Weald Secrets."

Also I'm sure there are some solos/units this works for.
Khador's Graylord's "blizzard" spell doesn't grant concealment against models with arcane assassin.
Though I like the effort and Idea of putting this in one place. If the list is complete it would help me tailor my army a little and show the true value of arcane assassin.

thecsharian
12-20-2009, 05:05 PM
I feel the list is still lacking. Don't forget that spell-made cover and concealment are bypassed too.
...Not any more (http://privateerpressforums.com/showpost.php?p=64935&postcount=19) :(

Karam
12-20-2009, 05:49 PM
Not any more (http://privateerpressforums.com/showpost.php?p=64935&postcount=19) :(

WHAT? When did this happen?

thecsharian
12-20-2009, 06:01 PM
WHAT? When did this happen?
yesterday? (it's what the link says ;):p )

FearLord
12-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Link added to the first post to avoid confusion - it has been ruled that Arcane Assassin (and therefore blessed) will only ignore direct buffs to ARM or DEF...

While this is a little disappointing, it's more balanced and more straight forward.

I went through the Warmachine PDF model by model, so I think I've covered every model currently available for Warmachine, but if I've missed anything, please feel free to post it and I'll try to keep this up to date (and add the Hordes figures - although I may wait until the field test actually ends for this, so I don't have to do a revision every week or so...)

KainMalice
12-21-2009, 09:53 AM
I realize you guys are going to end up posting the Hordes info, but I wanted to go ahead and ask if it gets by that silly Armor Ward thing the Krielstone Bearers give out.

FearLord
12-21-2009, 10:06 AM
I realize you guys are going to end up posting the Hordes info, but I wanted to go ahead and ask if it gets by that silly Armor Ward thing the Krielstone Bearers give out.

No - it only ignores focus points over boosting a warcasters powerfield and spell effects that directly buff ARM or DEF. The Krielstone Bearers buff ARM by using an ability, so it is not ignored... Perhaps I should include effects in red that buff ARM or DEF, but aren't ignored by Arcane Assassin?

Sansker
12-22-2009, 09:36 AM
No - it only ignores focus points over boosting a warcasters powerfield and spell effects that directly buff ARM or DEF. The Krielstone Bearers buff ARM by using an ability, so it is not ignored... Perhaps I should include effects in red that buff ARM or DEF, but aren't ignored by Arcane Assassin?


This would be quiet a good idea, so that anyone can see where the buffs of the opponents still work despite arcane assassin.

Btw. Thank you for your time and effort to make this list. Great work!

Regards
S.