Pronunciation

[whats82]

Khador

=Kah-door ?
=Keh-door ?
=Kay-door ?

[tedwin183]

I believe the PP guys pronounce it: "KAH-door".

[thecsharian]

Khador

=Kah-door ?
=Keh-door ?
=Kay-door ?Kick-Arse ;)

[PuppetRebel]

Kick-Arse ;)

Precisely.

[Avecrien]

*twitches*
I can't keep getting into this debate. I just refer to the faction as the Imperials, the reds, the winning side, the Motherland, Kick-Arse, etc.

[vytzka]

Kha-door.

My two... horns? or hooves? Whatever those smallest denomination Khadoran coins were. It makes me sound like a barnyard animal.

[Poet]

In Israel we pronounce it Xa-door, where the X is a sound english speakers mostly can't pronounce. Its the sound in the back throat like when you're preparing to spit... :P

Anyway, I say pronounce it however you like to.
Khadorians may pronounce it in one way, cygnarans another, tharns a third and modern humans a fourth way.

[Eletj]

I've been saying it: Kay-Door, and I probably won't change.

[Appolus]

My search fu is weak, but I am fairly certain that at least one privateer staff post said the going pronunciation around the office was KAY-DOOR. That does no necessarily invalidate any alternate pronunciations, but that happens to also be the way I pronounce it.

The pronunciation that really gets me is when people pronounce Cryx as CRY-X. I say CRICKS and that is the way the Dragonfather likes it, by gum!

[Electric Seal]

Since the faction is so heavily Russian influenced, I think it should be Kha-dor. The Russian language does not have any Long A vowel sounds. Not only that, but if you wanted to pronounce it Kay-dor, why pick such an obtuse spelling; spell it Kaydor. If PP wants it pronounced Kay-dor, that's cool but no one can argue that that is the most obvious pronunciation.

[Avecrien]

Yay Seal!
Also the whole Khador coming from the Khardic empire speaking Khardic, being Khards, etc. Not Khayrds.

[vytzka]

Since the faction is so heavily Russian influenced, I think it should be Kha-dor. The Russian language does not have any Long A vowel sounds. Not only that, but if you wanted to pronounce it Kay-dor, why pick such an obtuse spelling; spell it Kaydor. If PP wants it pronounced Kay-dor, that's cool but no one can argue that that is the most obvious pronunciation.
Agreed wholeheartedly.

Khador transliterates very intuitively to Cyrillic Хадор which is pronounced "Kha-dor". Any other variant would sound rather alien to a Slavic speaker. Notice that Kh is a single letter here (and cyryllic alphabet doesn't have an equivalent for H).

(and, lest there are questions, no, Russian is not my mother tongue but I'm rather familliar with it)

[Avecrien]

Did you just give me the cyrillic name for the Motherland? Did I just drool a little...

[vytzka]

Did you just give me the cyrillic name for the Motherland? Did I just drool a little...
I can write Cyryllic to you all night, baby*.

*disclaimer: not an actual offer. And I'm incapable of handwriting in Cyryllic since I finished highschool.

[Electric Seal]

Yea, it could be a toss up between Хадор and Kадор . Pronounced Ha-dor or Ka-dor respectively. Taking into account words like Khadis, Khaki, Khan or Ankh, Kадор makes more sense. While Хадор is a fine word in Russian, and from what I can tell, is the way the Russian gamers pronounce it, its not necessarily the best transliteration.

[vytzka]

Yea, it could be a toss up between Хадор and Kадор . Pronounced Ha-dor or Ka-dor respectively. Taking into account words like Khadis, Khaki, Khan or Ankh, Kадор makes more sense. While Хадор is a fine word in Russian, and from what I can tell, is the way the Russian gamers pronounce it, its not necessarily the best transliteration.
Khan = Хан
Khaki = Хаки
Ankh = Анх

Couldn't find Khadis on Wikipedia, sorry :D

Kh is consistently transcribed as Х in Russian and conversely is used when transliterating back into Latin.

But I hold no ill feelings towards anyone who would pronounce it as Ka-dor. Or anything but the abominable Kay-door. Which should go build a fire and die in it.

[Avecrien]

I wouldnt trust a "Kaydorian" even with the task of building a fire...

[Electric Seal]

Ok, but that traditional way Russifies the English word and changes its pronunciation needlessly. For instance, if I were a native Russian knowing no English, and I ran across the word Хаки, I would say it 'Hhaki,' emphasis on that stereotypical russian H sound. It would be more accurate (sound wise) to transliterate it as Kаки. Now if we were to Accurately transliterate Хаки back into Latin, it wouldn't be Khaki but Hackee. The standard transliteration is a matter of convention, not accuracy. My two cents anyway.

[vytzka]

Hmm. Well I now understand that it could be my Lithuanian perspective tripping me up (which is a yet entirely different kettle of fish) as it had led me to believe the English pronunciation of "Khaki" and related words to be softer than it apparently is.

I guess, looking from an English speaker's perspective both of your versions are adequate enough. Rock on.

[Cuagau]

Hmm. Well I now understand that it could be my Lithuanian perspective tripping me up (which is a yet entirely different kettle of fish) as it had led me to believe the English pronunciation of "Khaki" and related words to be softer than it apparently is.

I guess, looking from an English speaker's perspective both of your versions are adequate enough. Rock on.

Think Car-key. (That's at least the UK English (read: Real English :P) pronunciation of the word in the South, things get weird when you go up North...)
I remember a joke a long time ago about someone that rubs their trousers on a car, and the door opens, as he was wearing Khaki.

[Marth]

Think Car-key. (That's at least the UK English (read: Real English :P) pronunciation of the word in the South, things get weird when you go up North...)
I remember a joke a long time ago about someone that rubs their trousers on a car, and the door opens, as he was wearing Khaki.

Quoted for truth. :D

[Cuagau]

Actually, it worth noting that whilst I pronounce Khaki 'car key', I pronounce Khador 'Kah-door', not 'kar-door', although there isn't much difference between the two.

[galonso]

Its officially pronounced "Kay-Door".

[Malkav13]

While we are on it, please all note that Kharchev is the the same way.
Although, I'm not quite certain if the "ch" is supposed to be pronounced as a soft "k" sound (as in "schism") or a "ch" (as in choose). I think it is the "k" sound personally, but anyone with a knowledge of Slavic languages (i.e. Vytzka) that could help out would be greatly appreciated.

[TheBigRedMachine]

Its officially pronounced "Kay-Door".

And they are still wrong too. :P

[Loot]

The initial intent seems to have been "Kay-door". Yes if you apply the real world Russian pronunciations it does not hold up. Get over it. PP made a magical fantasy world and they can pretty much spell and pronounce their creations how ever they like.

Usually these threads are just gateways for people who think a bit to highly of themselves to run in and exclaim how superior they are for using the word with a "khaw" sounds. As if we didn't already know the odd duality behind the word and we were just waiting for this brilliant nugget to shine down upon us. Yes it is so awesome that you refuse to conform to how the word is used and we should all strive to care so much about unimportant things like you.

To sum up

At least semi officially its Kay-dor.

Unofficially pronounce it anyway you want.

Edit: spelling

[Avecrien]

^ kind of scares me. Lets be friends instead.

[Loot]

^ kind of scares me. Lets be friends instead.

We can be great friends. Just keep marching your army through the motherlands enemies and we will get along just fine.

[vytzka]

While we are on it, please all note that Kharchev is the the same way.
Although, I'm not quite certain if the "ch" is supposed to be pronounced as a soft "k" sound (as in "schism") or a "ch" (as in choose). I think it is the "k" sound personally, but anyone with a knowledge of Slavic languages (i.e. Vytzka) that could help out would be greatly appreciated.

First off it's Karchev, no Kh at the beginning. Secondly, the "ch" is pretty much definitely pronounced as in "choose".

For you Cyryllic lovers, it's Карчэв. Following parallels with English moniker for Russian tzar Ivan the Terrible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible), I'd translate his nickname as Грозный. Now this is more for curiosity than anything else as neither my personal nor, it seems, official canon has Khardic as straight up Russian but on the off chance that someone was just dying to know, they do now.

Loot - it's our toy soldiers and we'll quibble about their made up languages and setting minutiae as much as we damn well please :p I most definitely don't intend to sound superior to anyone, this thread has been educational for me and hopefully others as well (if someone has problems with my tone they're more than welcome to PM me about it).

[Malkav13]

Indeed it is Karchev. I must have slipped in that extra h from my imaginary mind somehow.

[Hellspawn]

I'll tell you this much, I didn't drop $750 on Kay-Door. It's Kah-Door damnit.
If it's Kay-Door I want my money back.

[studderingdave]

kay door for me

[Malkav13]

Kay-door is how the "southern" Khadorans pronounce it. The ones who have had the same small village since just after the Horselords. (joking to all those who do pronounce it that way :) )

[guruhoro]

I've imagined that Kay-door is the correct pronounciation in Cygnaran, which is the language even Khadorians have to use in international situations...
Anyway, I also think Cygnaran is an analog of English and Khadoran of a mash-up of Slavic languages. So when you're speaking in English/Cygnaran, pronounce it Kay-door, right?
Well, my opinion is probably among the most useless here since I'm Finnish, and usually pronounce Khador in a way that can't really be explained easily in writing. "Cuddor"?

[Mutton]

In Israel we pronounce it Xa-door, where the X is a sound english speakers mostly can't pronounce. Its the sound in the back throat like when you're preparing to spit... :P

Anyway, I say pronounce it however you like to.
Khadorians may pronounce it in one way, cygnarans another, tharns a third and modern humans a fourth way.

That's how I want to pronounce it, but I was cursed with being the only member of my family unable to make that damn sound. So I stick with Ka-door.

[Electric Seal]

...and with Gurohoro's post, this thread is officially Finnished.

[Cuagau]

...and with Gurohoro's post, this thread is officially Finnished.
How long have you been waiting to deploy that joke?

[Pickles]

For you Cyryllic lovers, it's Карчэв. Following parallels with English moniker for Russian tzar Ivan the Terrible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible), I'd translate his nickname as Грозный. Now this is more for curiosity than anything else as neither my personal nor, it seems, official canon has Khardic as straight up Russian but on the off chance that someone was just dying to know, they do now.


Grozny? Like the place? Wow must suck to come from there...

(though Wikipedia says it's a loose translation)

I like painting slogans on my Jacks so cod russian is good (Flames of War supplements are the source but Za Stalin! seems inappropriate)

[whats82]

Really wasn't expecting this level of discussion, but I'm glad that I'm not the only person who's not very certain on the sound of things.

Thanks for the replies.

[geoduck]

I believe the PP guys pronounce it: "KAH-door".

Wrong.

At PP it is pronounced Kay-door.

[MostlyHarmless]

Wrong.

At PP it is pronounced Kay-door.

That's because they're brainwashed by the Cygnaran regime to pronounce it wrong, to further insult the Glorious Empire! (j/k)

[Marth]

Wrong.

At PP it is pronounced Kay-door.

Which, in turn, proves their HQ to be in Australia. ;)

[Bearded Dragon]

It is Kay-door. It's in Prime Mark 2 (or so I've been told).

[scud]

My usual argument is:

Tomayto Tomahto

[Khador247]

It is Kay-door. It's in Prime Mark 2 (or so I've been told).

That is what I understand as well. Very unfortunate. I'll be wrong but I still won't say it this way. Kaydor sounds like something that a hillbilly would say.

[Appolus]

Maybe I'll starting saying Dayrth Vadder, or Yahda instead, just to be contrary...

It is Kay-door, suck it up, and take one for the motherland!

[Avecrien]

Your examples are contrary to your point. So you're doing very well already :)

[Camaris]

Kahdor! Damn it kamrad! You disgrace our beautiful language with westerner dialect! Do you not remember that you were once a proud piece of us?
*And then they invaded Lael and Ord.* :D

[Lee T]

In Israel we pronounce it Xa-door, where the X is a sound english speakers mostly can't pronounce

Khador transliterates very intuitively to Cyrillic Хадор which is pronounced "Kha-dor". Any other variant would sound rather alien to a Slavic speaker.
I'll add a third perspective, It's Khador for the french speakers too (Cig-Nar, Cricks, and Maynot).

[goran75]

this debate isn't new... it comes up, what, once a year? before a previous forum wipe I made the point that it isnt so important if you want to say Kay/Kah-door, but it IS important to say "MEH-le" and not "MEE-lee", that one drives me bonkers.

Also, I would, again, propose that the adjective of all things Khador is Khadorski and not Khadorian. So paint up your troops in Khadorski Red, and apply a generous amount of "Imperial Steel to face".

[Avecrien]

I'm inflammatory when on this topic. I suck at peace making anyway. Maybe thats why I'm a red?
But the important thing is that the rest of the world has the word Khador on their lips. I don't care how it is said so long as it is cried out by both those hefting the axe and those falling to it.

[Sinsation]

So I'm confused. It's cool to mispronounce imaginary words from a fictional game world with magic and giant robots, because it's somewhat based off of a country in the world where the language may be pronounced differently?

Is this supposed to make people rebels or something? Is this the wargaming equivalent of "fighting the man?"

[jack frost]

nope, it's owning our game... they gave everyone proper sounding russian-esque names, they used eastern european sounding cities and titles and ranks so we want it to fit.

I'm also a big fan of "khadoran" over "khadorian" or even "khadorski" but I'm more against the "ian" ending then I'm for either of the others.

[Appolus]

Yup, it shows that you are so hardcore that you know more about the game/world than the creators. That's just how you roll. Kay-door isn't hardcore enough, because you can pretend that real Russian has any bearing at all on a game of magical steampunk warfare. Yup... fight the man.

(just kidding, btw)

[JPRoth1980]

So I'm confused. It's cool to mispronounce imaginary words from a fictional game world with magic and giant robots, because it's somewhat based off of a country in the world where the language may be pronounced differently?

Just speaking from the perspective of an English major (yes, I've heard every joke) with a heaping side of Linguistics, the whole "Kaydoor" thing really just does not make sense. Examples: khadi, khalif, khat, khan.

Furthermore, the word is meant to be related to the term Khardic, and the vowel shift in two related words, both of which are in common usage, just doesn't happen often. If Khardic was meant to be pronounced with a long "a" sound, it would be far more likely to be written as Caerdic or something similar.

Furthermore, if we are to look at the obvious relation between historical Russia and Khador, we could note that the long a sound is not one commonly used, at all, in Russian. In fact, I'll throw the argument out there that the Russian language has no letter for the sound the letter 'a' makes in Privateer's pronunciation of the word Khador. Of course, I only took Russian in second and third grade, so my knowledge is more than a little rusty.

What irks me about insisting on the "correct" pronunciation is that it's like watching someone make an assertion which is just plain wrong. It makes it even worse because they're right, especially since the reason they are right amounts to "because I said so."

[Defenstrator]

It's a typo. Privateer was going to lay the whole thing to rest and use the proper pronunciation that the rest of the world uses, but it got mixed up in the layout. No big deal. We all know how to say it properly anyway. :)

[Sinsation]

Furthermore, the word is meant to be related to the term Khardic, and the vowel shift in two related words, both of which are in common usage, just doesn't happen often. If Khardic was meant to be pronounced with a long "a" sound, it would be far more likely to be written as Caerdic or something similar.
Overlooking say, Canada and Canadian, which seems like a similar situation, considering the fact that Khador is a made up word to represent a fictional magical land with a language that isn't in existence in the world, why would they would be far more likely to write something a certain way? There's plenty of comments about "well, if it was Russian it would sound like this."

If it was Russian then it wouldn't be Khador, and trying to shoehorn and ignore any discrepancies between Russia and Khador seems like the wargaming equivalent of saying that Deadpool would only have shot 3 bullets on panel 16 of Deadpool #34 because of the way he would be percieving and viewing the situation and how similar assassins would have dealt with it.

The assertion that is just plain wrong is that the language and pronunciation has to conform to standard linguistic practices. It's less of a "because I said so" and seems like more of a "because it's a word I made up, for a language I made up." It's like telling kids who made up a secret twin language that their fake prepositions need to be changed.

[Avecrien]

Sinsation, you're picking a fight. And you're picking and choosing which parts of the opposing argument to recognize in doing so. Attacking people because they have different logic isn't cool. Its still logic and worthy of respect.

We all use english here. We understand it has rules. When they are used inconsistently back to back it can be confusing. Some of us also know some of the designers made-up stuff related to the word in question and don't understand why they're different. Without a made-up rule on it, its just a hanging disconnect.

Some of us rely on structure or continuity. Some of us rely on authority. It sounds like you're the latter. If you don't think its worth the effort put forth here, it's definitely not worth your attack.

[vytzka]

So I'm confused. It's cool to mispronounce imaginary words from a fictional game world with magic and giant robots, because it's somewhat based off of a country in the world where the language may be pronounced differently?

Is this supposed to make people rebels or something? Is this the wargaming equivalent of "fighting the man?"
Yes. That's how we show that we're cool and edgy. And that we don't respect authority because only wimps do that. And people who pronounce Khador as Kay-door.

Any more questions? Preferably less condescending ones?

[Sinsation]

Sorry if it seems like I'm picking a fight, but it just seems highly illogical, and if anything kinda disrespectful and strange to be proud about it. It would be like if you knew someone from Honduras whose name was juan but pronounced it ju-on, and you kept telling him how he was saying his name wrong, how it shouldn't be pronounced that way, and when he told you several times how to pronounce his name, you just kept saying it incorrectly on purpose because you felt you were "right."

Maybe it's something we'll just disagree on.

[JPRoth1980]

Overlooking say, Canada and Canadian, which seems like a similar situation...

Actually, the Canada/Canadian thing is not a similar situation, as adjectives often change vowel sounds in order to follow the rules of written pronunciation. This is somewhat similar to stressed vowel rules, in a word's current conjugation may well change which syllable get the accent.

Regardless to say, the word "Khador" is unique in that it is, to my knowledge, that uses the combination of k, h, and a, in that order, to may the sound "kay."


The assertion that is just plain wrong is that the language and pronunciation has to conform to standard linguistic practices. It's less of a "because I said so" and seems like more of a "because it's a word I made up, for a language I made up." It's like telling kids who made up a secret twin language that their fake prepositions need to be changed.

Precisely. "Because it's a language I made up" is the same thing as "because I said so." Neither make sense, and neither should be used as the end result of an argument. Sure, Privateer owns the IP in question, but that does not mean that they can be held as infallible.

If something does not make sense, then it should either be explained or corrected so that it makes sense. Neither has happened, which is why you have people who dislike the official pronunciation of the word.

[Loot]

Sinsation, you're picking a fight. And you're picking and choosing which parts of the opposing argument to recognize in doing so. Attacking people because they have different logic isn't cool. Its still logic and worthy of respect.

We all use english here. We understand it has rules. When they are used inconsistently back to back it can be confusing. Some of us also know some of the designers made-up stuff related to the word in question and don't understand why they're different. Without a made-up rule on it, its just a hanging disconnect.

Some of us rely on structure or continuity. Some of us rely on authority. It sounds like you're the latter. If you don't think its worth the effort put forth here, it's definitely not worth your attack.

You keep acting like everyone is sheep for listening to the "authority" as you put it. This is a fictional game, there is no authority to defy. You are just fooling yourself into thinking you are better when in actuality you are pretty much falling prey to to the most basic of human behavior. Drawing a line in the sand over nothing just for the sake of separating yourself from others.

To quote the great Hal Wilkerson, You should always pick battles that are small enough to win but big enough to matter. This is neither.

[scud]

When I read it for the very first time on that original poster with the first 4 factions I read it exactly like the company pronounces it and it always stuck. Every time I hear it pronounced the other way I just think of the heavy Boston accent and I apologize to anyone who speaks with that accent but it sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me.

Also I will always bring up the age old debate (hardly one): Tomato tomato.

[vytzka]

You keep acting like everyone is sheep for listening to the "authority" as you put it. This is a fictional game, there is no authority to defy. You are just fooling yourself into thinking you are better when in actuality you are pretty much falling prey to to the most basic of human behavior. Drawing a line in the sand over nothing just for the sake of separating yourself from others.
Way to misread what he said.

This is not about "defying" anything, can we move past the rebellious middle schoolers already?

"Authority" is Privateer Press. Not "the Man" authority. "We wrote the damn setting" authority. Try and deny that, will you.

They have declared the pronunciation they use. You can either accept it because the fact that the game authors said so is enough for you - which is cool, no one's saying you're a bunch of mindless sheep, people, stop overreacting - or you can disagree with that based on whatever reason sounds persuasive for you - like the armchair (and, in at least JPRoth1980's case, actual) linguistic stuff bandied about in this thread.

And you're doing the exact same thing you accuse the arguers of doing - trying to marginalize them as rebellious middle schoolers. You're the one drawing lines in the sand here.


To quote the great Hal Wilkerson, You should always pick battles that are small enough to win but big enough to matter. This is neither.Did great Hal Wilkerson have anything of note to say about people complaining about people arguing on a message board?

[jack frost]

well said gentlemen. although I will say that I can be a bit preachy simply because I don't always have the will to put too much thought into my posts but simply said:

the writers say it's pronounced one way but use letters that don't "typically" achieve that goal as the examples have shown. the problem with saying that they can pronounce things how they want is that they still have to follow the rules that they themselves lay down. if they pronounce khard and khardic like "card" and "cardic" then they have to use different letters to show that kaedor isn't pronounced kha-dor. if our fictional friend Juan got upset at us for calling him "jew-an" he'd totally lose all credibility if he had some sister who spelt her name "juanita" but pronounced it (in their traditional language) "jew-an-ita".

sure juan could say " but it's our language" but I wouldn't have any problem telling him it isn't consistent and doesn't make any sense regardless of how condescending that may be. the reason I feel that way is because the systems we use to communicate should not be above fine tuning for the purpose of easier, smoother and more efficient learning and understanding.

Doug Seacat recently posted in the other thread pointing out how all the words are just representations of languages that are completely alien to us. If that is the case it's fine but then all the representations should be consistent in their efforts to describe this alien language to us. as for us being crazy for wanting to discuss this or even thinking that this is an important discussion...

we're nerds dude...

who do you think buys your stuff?

[vytzka]

Sorry but how should someone take comments like.
Okay I agree that this one was a bit over the line. But then Avecrien said he was not going to be diplomatic on the subject so I'm not sure what is further chastising supposed to achieve. And his last post was very reasonable and explanatory despite you insisting on taking offense to it where none was intended.


He might have. You should find out about this guy he is pretty awesome.I might but my reading backlog is way overcrowded as it is.

[Sinsation]

the writers say it's pronounced one way but use letters that don't "typically" achieve that goal as the examples have shown. the problem with saying that they can pronounce things how they want is that they still have to follow the rules that they themselves lay down. if they pronounce khard and khardic like "card" and "cardic" then they have to use different letters to show that kaedor isn't pronounced kha-dor. if our fictional friend Juan got upset at us for calling him "jew-an" he'd totally lose all credibility if he had some sister who spelt her name "juanita" but pronounced it (in their traditional language) "jew-an-ita".

As an English speaker, one thing you learn over the years is that English sucks. Not only are we missing various words, and don't use various sounds, we have crap like homophones, and homographs. We have various words which should be pronounced the same according to some people, but aren't (book, moon). We have words which are spelled the same but pronounced different (bow, bow, or wound, wound), words that are spelled different but pronounced the same (to, too, two), and words which add extensions and change the root (canada, canadian). Saying that because it is jew-an-ita it can't be wan is a pretty rough argument with unstable footing.

So speaking of linguistics, since we're using English, why is it that Khador can't be a heteronym? Why is Juan unable to chance in pronunciation when -ita is added to the end? Why, if it was meant to be pronounced kah-door, wouldn't they have done spelling to make that more clear? Cardic doesn't seem to logically follow from kah-door.

P.S. How exactly does ahmed fit into english? Should we tell everyone named Ahmed to write their name ockmed? Or should we call it an ahtopus?

[vytzka]

You seem like a reasonable person, perhaps I should have referenced the original comment to begin with. His last comment I did respond to however kinda brought back the subject when he said " Some of us rely on structure or continuity. Some of us rely on authority. It sounds like you're the latter." that sparked my annoyance.
Okay well I see how you could be offended considering his earlier posts in this thread.

But on its face it's a perfectly innocent statement! I, of course, don't ascribe any deficiency of character to following authority on canon (despite, obviously, not always doing so myself), as long as it's not used as a cudgel to batter into submission people using different arguments.

That's why Sinsation's comment on fighting "the Man" with our little discussion here looked so absurd to me.

And yes, it is generally a good idea to specify so if you have a problem with only one person out of several who could take umbrage to your comments if you're being less specific :p Because from here it looked like you were disparaging everyone or mostly everyone arguing for "Kha-dor" at least.


No worries. He isn't a real person. Just the dad on the tv show malcom in the middle and he has very little wisdom to give.
Heh. You got me there.

[Appolus]

Oh snap! You told them!

Sorry, just kinda liked your post. Thumbs up.

[Sinsation]

My point on "fighting the man" was because every time this pops up there seems to be a group of people who have this mindset of "I'm going to pronounce it Kay-door! That's how it should be pronounced! No one can stop me!" There's a difference between that and "well, I'm used to saying it like this, so I just say it that way." The fact that some people treat it like a big government/small government abortion/prolife issue just seems redonkulus to me.

[vytzka]

My point on "fighting the man" was because every time this pops up there seems to be a group of people who have this mindset of "I'm going to pronounce it Kay-door! That's how it should be pronounced! No one can stop me!" There's a difference between that and "well, I'm used to saying it like this, so I just say it that way." The fact that some people treat it like a big government/small government abortion/prolife issue just seems redonkulus to me.
We're obviously coming from different perspectives to this discussion, but I'm not seeing it. What I am seeing is people who are discontent with official explanation for the setting that is otherwise very well detailed and logical, and, out of their love for that setting set out to fill in the gaps themselves in a manner that is most fitting and faithful to the background.

If you reject the entire premise of the argument... please, ignore this thread. It has nothing to give you, and you have nothing to give to it.

[IronChefZod]

I don't give a **** what anybody says. I play Kah-dor.

If you play Kay-dor, that's fine, but I play Kah-dor.

Honestly I'm kind of annoyed PP a pronunciation guide in. I really don't feel like putting up with people trying to correct my pronunciation (even if it is "officially" wrong).

[JPRoth1980]

Just as a slightly humorous aside...

Boba Fett died in the Sarlaac, slowly digested while still living over a thousand years of terrible pain. He didn't get out, track down Han Solo, lead the Mandalorians, fight for (and later against) the Yuuzhan Vong, or anything else. He died in the Sarlaac.

That's straight from the mouth of the one person who trumps anyone else's idea of canon in that setting: George Lucas. However, try to get anyone who's a fan to accept it.

I am in no way advocating such a thing, but fans have revolted before, resulting in changes in "official" background. I've pointed out why the kay-door pronunciation makes no sense (to me, it's like pronouncing cadet kay-det). I just think it's somewhat interesting that people seem to think that "official" matters.

Boba Fett died in the Sarlaac.

Scarlet Witch destroyed the Avengers because she lost her mind.

One More Day.

Braying Multilasers.

Just because it's official doesn't mean it's accepted.

[Marth]

Just speaking from the perspective of an English major (yes, I've heard every joke) with a heaping side of Linguistics, the whole "Kaydoor" thing really just does not make sense. Examples: khadi, khalif, khat, khan.

A fellow linguist! I completely agree.
I think our main issue is that we're supposed to be de- not pre- scriptive, but talking about something a) fictional and thus b) without native speakers makes things a little difficult.

[Shadow37]

Guys,

Please, take a breather...

Language, in most forms, is a fickle thing. Everyone has their own pronunciation--Let us try to acknowledge that and move on.

Please, as Haight once said..."Think of the goats."

[galonso]

What a dumb thing to argue about. Call it whatever you want.

[PPS_Mod:MC]

Oldest Official Pronunciation List (Please note: Bryan Steele was a staff writer at the time of this posting).

http://old.privateerpressforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=7489&view=findpost&p=133742