Butcher Resculpt on the Frontpage [Archive]

Garangoor

12-21-2009, 08:35 AM

For you guys too, look at the awesome sculpt

http://privateerpress.com/files/products/Butcher-of-Khardov-09.png

The Butcher is a potent symbol of the consequence of treachery against Empress Ayn Vanar. In the protective casing
of his modified suit of steam-powered armor shaped from the hull of a warjack, he is a force of destruction, a one-man
wrecking crew. Soldiers across western Immoren cannot purge the vision of the axe-wielding giant from their
nightmares: a man become a living personification of warfare and bloodshed.
This all-new version of The Butcher of Khardov presents a dynamic new sculpt for this classic warcaster.
The Butcher of Khardov ? 2010 comes in a blister (PIP 33072). A player may field one Butcher of Khardov in a
Khador army.

thomwill

12-21-2009, 08:36 AM

dammit. just beaten to it.

f'n badass tho. my favorite of the new sculpts so far.

Avecrien

12-21-2009, 08:41 AM

all hail the new flesh

Rothkeen

12-21-2009, 08:42 AM

It's so much full of win :D

Draekon Darkstorm

12-21-2009, 08:48 AM

Very nice. A much more dynamic pose then the orginal. This inspires the feeling of him coming to chop you in twain.

Draekon

russianpaladin

12-21-2009, 08:56 AM

thumbs up to both the sculptor and studio painter on this one. The expression and feeling from the sculpt is pure pain and rage. Well done

galonso

12-21-2009, 08:57 AM

Do we really need two threads dedicated to this?

Loot

12-21-2009, 09:01 AM

Very nice. I still like the old sculpt but first impression I would probably buy this one first.

i_like_tool

12-21-2009, 09:04 AM

It's official....I'm restarting my Khador army. The new sculpts have all been top notch

Shadow37

12-21-2009, 09:29 AM

Do we really need two threads dedicated to this?

Yes :)

Besides, this always happens when a new sculpt is released.

Khador247

12-21-2009, 09:40 AM

If someone asks you why you play Khador just silently point to this model. They'll get the picture.

Gnoa

12-21-2009, 09:41 AM

Do we really need two threads dedicated to this?

I can tell right away you aren't one of the Khador players who contribute to this community. This is THE community dedicated to all things Khador, where we discuss things in a lot more depth. Of course we will have our own thread, regardless what is on the front page.

I like it, as it was said earlier in this thread the pose means you have 1 second to get out of 2" reach!

vytzka

12-21-2009, 10:39 AM

Ooooooooh.

I <3 this. Oh hell I guess I do need another warcaster after all :D

Blake333

12-21-2009, 10:52 AM

atleast i can stop using my E butcher for normal butcher. no more "get off my lawn" pose

blake

thomwill

12-21-2009, 11:57 AM

atleast i can stop using my E butcher for normal butcher. no more "get off my lawn" pose

blake

i actually like this better than the epic version. may use this for both.

Eletj

12-21-2009, 12:37 PM

Its freaking awesome~

Scott_K

12-21-2009, 03:10 PM

Looks great.

Now if only they would stop making the models left-friggin'-handed.

Won't be buying this one because of it. Yes, I'm serious.

thecsharian

12-21-2009, 03:15 PM

damned sinister lefties!

almond

12-21-2009, 03:17 PM

Lefty or not, he still looks awesome. I'll pick him up for sure.

Khador247

12-21-2009, 03:33 PM

Looks great.

Now if only they would stop making the models left-friggin'-handed.

Won't be buying this one because of it. Yes, I'm serious.

You're weird. :confused:

GorBLiTZ

12-21-2009, 04:01 PM

gagagggahhaggahagaggahagah!!!!!! That is the most awesome-rubbertire resculpt that has hit the scene in ages. We might find this monster subbing in for E-Butch instead of the other way around.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

TheBigRedMachine

12-21-2009, 04:03 PM

Yeah, someone is about to die at the end of that swing. That is so going into my buy list.

Malkav13

12-21-2009, 06:38 PM

Now that is the Butcher

ColdYinTiger

12-21-2009, 08:10 PM

I don't feel so bad about buying my first caster in the game that my ex-wife stole anymore.

GasmaskGreg

12-21-2009, 09:57 PM

A most excellent contribution to the host of recent models, new and resculpts alike. I'll certainly be acquiring this fellow post-haste.

Angelust

12-21-2009, 10:16 PM

I can see why Butcher is doin like 30 damage a swing against my jacks...yeesh.

ColdYinTiger

12-21-2009, 10:20 PM

I can see why Butcher is doin like 30 damage a swing against my jacks...yeesh.

Eh? Looks like he is going to do what he does best. One shot any caster or lock in the game.

nefarion

12-21-2009, 10:37 PM

Omg! This is awesome!!! :)

Ravnak

12-22-2009, 12:38 AM

Damnit, I bought him yesterday...

sigh.

Snottlebocket

12-22-2009, 06:35 AM

Did the butcher's rules change? I haven't played warmachine in a long time but in the threads currently on the page people describe him as a decent jack caster.

When I left people kept saying he was a bad jack caster because his slow speed meant he wants to keep his focus to add to his defence.

Khador247

12-22-2009, 06:44 AM

Avecrien

12-22-2009, 07:17 AM

I've always been sad playing games growing up that everything was right handed. I like Butcher being a southpaw.

And yeah, Butcher is a solid jackcaster now. Full Throttle is just what it sounds like. I now think Mk2 Butcher may be our most versatile(balanced?) caster.

Poet

12-22-2009, 07:24 AM

ganglerisson

12-22-2009, 07:46 AM

Looks great.

Now if only they would stop making the models left-friggin'-handed.

Won't be buying this one because of it. Yes, I'm serious.

Maybe he's ambidextrous or, he's in a murderous frenzy and swinging from both sides. At least they got the hands right - as opposed to eMadrak. Try holding and axe like he is and swinging.

Avecrien

12-22-2009, 07:54 AM

Or maybe he's using his offhand because he's holding back. I like the idea of him using more restraint than any of us had guessed. Even the Butcher's scared of himself going "Full Butcher."

Lola:
Weapon Master
Critical Apocalypse. If this model critically hits on a melee attack, immediately end the game. Everything died.

Poet

12-22-2009, 08:01 AM

ShockwaveIIC

12-22-2009, 10:43 AM

just recently brought the old one as I dislike proxies and did not wish to wait till whenever it comes out.

Not good.

Neknif5000

12-22-2009, 07:54 PM

Looks great! I am glad they made Lola look cooler. It look a little too simple before.

Marth

12-23-2009, 03:38 AM

That is the Butcher I'm going to field. Yawny old pose and epic proxy issues were already mentioned. When I first saw the picture, I wet myself.

EAT-THIS! *wins.game*

Ravnak

12-23-2009, 03:41 AM

I like Butcher being a southpaw.

With regards to this, and to other people who've mentioned it:-

So far as I'm aware (being lefthanded, and being a wargamer, and thusly having swung large weapon-shaped objects around in a rather "nerdish" manner) a lefthanded person would use their left hand on the bottom, not at the top.

You want your strong arm closer to the fulcrum of your swing, to get the power in, while your weak arm is simply there to guide the blow so that you dont veer off hideously.

Go grab a broomhandle and check.

Avecrien

12-23-2009, 07:18 AM

I am a lefty. I use my left arm at the top of an axe for control and initial momentum, especially when I'm swinging more than once. This sculpt reflects how I do it.

Yeti's Yell

12-23-2009, 09:16 AM

I appreciate that there seems to be a base at the bottom of his shoulder spikes, connecting it to his shoulder armor. That makes painting the spikes far easier so thanks for that detail!

Scott_K

12-23-2009, 02:29 PM

With regards to this, and to other people who've mentioned it:-

So far as I'm aware (being lefthanded, and being a wargamer, and thusly having swung large weapon-shaped objects around in a rather "nerdish" manner) a lefthanded person would use their left hand on the bottom, not at the top.

You want your strong arm closer to the fulcrum of your swing, to get the power in, while your weak arm is simply there to guide the blow so that you dont veer off hideously.

Go grab a broomhandle and check.

As someone who HAS swung axes before, and IS right-handed, I can tell you that you're doing it wrong :cool:

Although logic might dictate otherwise, the butcher model above is indeed holding it correctly for a left-handed person.

saxondog

12-24-2009, 12:04 AM

I finding it hard to get excited by this model.
It is a nice piece but I already own the original.
Probably will buy it just to have it, but was never unhappy with the original.

SFK

JTY

12-24-2009, 03:12 AM

I like it, glad I held off from painting the original now.

I still prefer eButcher, more interesting armour and the positioning of his head so his ears look like devil horns is genius, but I that's by the by.

Great sculpt, that makes Khador 2 for 2.

pVlad next please.

Ravnak

12-24-2009, 03:29 AM

As someone who HAS swung axes before, and IS right-handed, I can tell you that you're doing it wrong :cool:

Although logic might dictate otherwise, the butcher model above is indeed holding it correctly for a left-handed person.

It may depend on the person then. When I was shown how to hold a big hitty stick at the royal armoury, they had me switch hands as I had them the wrong way up and was awkward.

Then again, their professional jousters may be wrong... but it certainly felt better to hold it left hand under right.

JTY

12-24-2009, 03:49 AM

He is holding it in a right-handed grip.

Right hand holds, left hand is loose and the shaft slides through, so left hand only supports the weight during the swing.
Right hand generates the swing and directs it, held tight near the bottom of the shaft, at the fulcrum of the swing.

Sorry, but he's holding it right for a left-handed jab, rather than a full swing.

Mr.B

12-25-2009, 06:58 PM

Dammit PP! I already said i'd start Khador when the new book came out! I need this one now too!

Grizwald

12-25-2009, 08:35 PM

He is holding it in a right-handed grip.
I would say the Butcher is right handed, not because of hows he's swinging the Lola. Look at the back of the model. He's got the blunderbus set up for a right handed draw.

Snottlebocket

12-26-2009, 12:59 AM

I would say the Butcher is right handed, not because of hows he's swinging the Lola. Look at the back of the model. He's got the blunderbus set up for a right handed draw.

Not to mention that martial artists frequently switch their grip on a weapon to make use of every part of the weapon.

Look at how the model is holding the axe, I don't think he's swinging the weapon in a chopping motion. He's balancing the axe in the palm of his left hand near the head of the axe while holding his right hand on top of the haft to prevent the axe from toppling, without turning his torso for a forwards swing.

If he swings the axe now the axe is going to swing past his face from side to side, not a very efficient chopping motion.

It kinda looks to me as if he's reversed his grip after a good swing and is preparing to smash the butt end of his axe handle into some ones face for a quick second strike.

Scott_K

12-26-2009, 06:21 AM

He is holding it in a right-handed grip.

No.

"How you grip the handle of a splitting axe determines how well you are able to swing it, and the effectiveness of the cut on impact. If you are right handed, grip the axe handle with your left hand approximately 6 to 8 inches from the end farthest from the axe head. This is how you control the stability of the axe when it makes contact. With your right hand, the grip should be relatively loose, and begins with the hand 6 to 8 inches below the axe head. The right hand will slide down the shaft as you follow through on the swing, allowing you to have more control over the angle and aim of the swing."

Grizwald

12-26-2009, 07:40 AM

No.

"How you grip the handle of a splitting axe determines how well you are able to swing it, and the effectiveness of the cut on impact. If you are right handed, grip the axe handle with your left hand approximately 6 to 8 inches from the end farthest from the axe head. This is how you control the stability of the axe when it makes contact. With your right hand, the grip should be relatively loose, and begins with the hand 6 to 8 inches below the axe head. The right hand will slide down the shaft as you follow through on the swing, allowing you to have more control over the angle and aim of the swing."
Plant your feet and try doing that with the intent to hit somthing to the right of you.

That description is correct if you are trying to cut something that is not moving, i.e. lumber. Trees are really slow so you can take your time and set up your stance. Trying to hit a person may require switching of grip before the swing.

JTY

12-26-2009, 08:18 AM

No, yes...

For crying out loud we're going to have an argument about a sodding model now are we?

It's a right handed swing of a battleaxe.
I'm basing that on what I've learnt from close freinds who re-enact dark age battles, so have a fair bit of experiance with Dane axes from both sides of the shield wall.

Agree/disagree, I'm not having an argument about it, so formulate your responses better.

The_Bionic_Labrat

12-26-2009, 09:16 AM

yay for us lefties! Butcher is a southpaw!

In all seriousness though, while i do think it is a truly awesome model, i have issues with it - particularly with the lack of momentum in the pose. i think of Butcher, and i think of a juggernaut (not the jack!) relentlessly pushing forward hacking and slashing. But this Butcher is just standing there howling...

If his legs were more dynamic and in a "rushing forward pose", and lola held back further (think logan grimnars 40k sculpt, except two handed) it would be better.

regardless, fantastic sculpt, but i'll have to convert it a bit. eep!

Appolus

12-26-2009, 12:12 PM

In all seriousness though, while i do think it is a truly awesome model, i have issues with it - particularly with the lack of momentum in the pose. i think of Butcher, and i think of a juggernaut (not the jack!) relentlessly pushing forward hacking and slashing. But this Butcher is just standing there howling...

If his legs were more dynamic and in a "rushing forward pose", and lola held back further (think logan grimnars 40k sculpt, except two handed) it would be better.

regardless, fantastic sculpt, but i'll have to convert it a bit. eep!

Are you kidding? Butch has plenty of momentum here. The way he is hefting Lola he's about to split a Warjack like firewood. Imagine the immense power of his raging musculature ready to propel that axe-head at incredible speed into the focus of his hatred. It takes a lot of momentum to rend steel as viciously as he does.

Scott_K

12-27-2009, 06:55 AM

No, yes...

It's a right handed swing of a battleaxe. Agree/disagree, I'm not having an argument about it, so formulate your responses better.

Still wrong.

Scott_K

12-27-2009, 06:55 AM

Plant your feet and try doing that with the intent to hit somthing to the right of you.

Move your feet.

JTY

12-27-2009, 08:28 AM

Yep, thanks Scott. A well formulated and trollish response if ever I saw one.

Go be rude and wrong elsewhere.

Scott_K

12-27-2009, 09:42 AM

Yep, thanks Scott. A well formulated and trollish response if ever I saw one.

Go be rude and wrong elsewhere.

No elaborate response required. If you're too stubborn to see the correct answer, that's your problem. You're welcome.

JTY

12-27-2009, 10:14 AM

Hmmm...

Monosylabic responses aren't likely to convince many people though.

Avecrien

12-27-2009, 10:16 AM

Lets get back to the common ground of how we all just want to be holding and swinging axes at the people's enemies :)

JTY

12-27-2009, 10:20 AM

Indeed.
I have a Dane axe hanging on the wall, I'd love to swing it at some of the local youths, but am led to believe that would be improper in some way.

Go figure.

The_Bionic_Labrat

12-28-2009, 03:56 AM

Are you kidding? Butch has plenty of momentum here. The way he is hefting Lola he's about to split a Warjack like firewood. Imagine the immense power of his raging musculature ready to propel that axe-head at incredible speed into the focus of his hatred. It takes a lot of momentum to rend steel as viciously as he does.

meh.

i see no movement in the pose, if you get me. How can there be momentum when the pose is of him standing there? thats my issue. I want him charging forward - you know, front knee bent, rear foot off the ground slightly, torso bent forward a small bit, arms stretched back a few degrees more.

thats momentum.