Fancy POW 8 Weapons

[McDevious]

*NOTE: This may or may not be FT related*

I did a bit of browsing through the Hordes and WM FT and MKII cards, and I noticed that Hordes warlocks seem to have lower POWs on their weapons than their WM counterparts.

In fact, no warlock has a POW 8 melee weapon yet. For all I know, this could be fluff related (magical weapons VS magical industrially created weapons?), but it annoys that something called Rathrok, Ender of Worlds (or whatever the fluff for it is) has less POW than something called Quicksilver MKII (sounds like a possible sequel to an X-Men movie). In fact, most 2 handed weapons on 'casters have POW 8 if their caster's are in any way melee capable (even Sevee has POW 8s on his versions, and given his stats, it seems to be just a fun fluff thing -> note that I don't know much about PoM tactics, so he may?? be a combat caster??), and most named 1 handed weapons have POW 7. In Hordes, it seems as though all the POWs on Warlock weapons have been brought down a point (POW 7 for a 2 hander and POW 6 for a one hander). Maybe Rathrok's less POWerful due to all the rust :D

Now that I know this (and cannot un-know it), it makes me feel underwhelmed. If any Devs are reading this, I'd like to see some new 'locks that have POW 8 weapons when Forces of Hordes comes out. I know this is mostly a fluff issue (though I might do a raw P+S comparison for kicks), but it seems odd to me. In my mind Rathrok > Lola (but don't tell the Butcher I said that).

[Sevwall]

POW is an artificial way to get a respectable damage output regardless of STR.

The POW on warlock weapons is lower because thier STR is higher, so the required POW to achive P+S 15 is lower.

[theummhmmguy]

POW is an artificial way to get a respectable damage output regardless of STR.

The POW on warlock weapons is lower because thier STR is higher, so the required POW to achive P+S 15 is lower.

Which is why the Earthborn is better against Warcasters.

[Faultie]

I think it might also have to do with the nature of allocation. Generally, after allocation to 'jacks, there is less Focus left over for a 'caster to boost with than there is Fury for a warlock to use (since the beasts generate it, not consume it). If there is a generally higher P+S for 'casters, maybe this is why? I don't know.

This is just my first-thought about it. I hadn't noticed it msyelf, since I don't have any 'casters (or 'locks, 'jacks, beasts, or units) with POW8 weapons.

[Sevwall]

P+S isn't higher in warmachine. POW is. Because STR is lower, and the P+S is the same.

My whole argument sounds circular, but isn't. Its bothering me.

[McDevious]

I know it more or less equates evenly (higher STR and Lower POW ~ Higher POW and Lower STR), but it makes it seem like WM weapons are superior fluffwise (which they may be, I have no fluff reference for weapon histories or forgings).

*NOTE: I know this doesn't take into account buffs, or casters/locks who will never contribute to melee. This is just raw statistics*

According to Excel, this is the faction breakdown of average P+S on 'casters and 'locks:
Khador14 Trollbloods13Cryx13 Circle12Cygnar13 Skorne12Menoth14 Legion12Mercenary13

WM Average: 13.4
Hordes Average: 12.25

I didn't include casters/locks with no melee attacks like eCaine and eLylyth.

Also, while this shows higher P+S on the WM side, Hordes have high P+S. A lot of Legion 'locks have very low P+S, which offsets the numbers.

If anyone's interested, I can post the TOP 10 P+S out of the factions, or other tidbits of data.

[Soylent]

If Trollbloods were a warmachine faction(having STR6-9 models running around), you'd see it average out. It's kind of wonky but if you look around you'll only see a point or two difference for instance, Lola in Borka's hands is a P&S17.

[DaKnub728]

I know it more or less equates evenly (higher STR and Lower POW ~ Higher POW and Lower STR), but it makes it seem like WM weapons are superior fluffwise (which they may be, I have no fluff reference for weapon histories or forgings).

*NOTE: I know this doesn't take into account buffs, or casters/locks who will never contribute to melee. This is just raw statistics*

According to Excel, this is the faction breakdown of average P+S on 'casters and 'locks:
Khador14 Trollbloods13Cryx13 Circle12Cygnar13 Skorne12Menoth14 Legion12Mercenary13

WM Average: 13.4
Hordes Average: 12.25

I didn't include casters/locks with no melee attacks like eCaine and eLylyth.

Also, while this shows higher P+S on the WM side, Hordes have high P+S. A lot of Legion 'locks have very low P+S, which offsets the numbers.

If anyone's interested, I can post the TOP 10 P+S out of the factions, or other tidbits of data.

why not? it could prove interesting...

[McDevious]

Top 10 P+S in both systems:

Karchev19eThagrosh18pButcher16eButcher16Terminus16 Borka16pThagrosh16pGaspy15eGaspy15eGoreshade15

Lowest P+S:

Kromac (x2)11Mordikaar11Calandra10Mohsar10pMorg (x2)9Zaal9pCaine8Saeryn8Coven7pLylyth7

*Kromac and Morg have 2 attacks, though

PoM has a large amount of P+S 14 casters (7 out of 11).

I'll post some other stuff when I can.

EDIT: Sorry, the formatting got pooched...

[azaminkor]

Pow on weapons is an arbitrary value used to balance out P+S. It has no relation to the weapon itself, really. I mean Blasting Lances are POW 10. The P+S comparison would be more useful.