Cat and Mouse

[Necra-Chi]

At the end of this turn after all friendly models have ended their activations, one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area can make a full advance for each enemy model in her control area at the end of this turn. During this movement, the affected model cannot be targeted by free strikes.


The last half of the first sentence seems to be the wrong way around.

Does one friendly model move a lot of times, or do a lot of friendly models move one time?

The second sentence also only refers to one model.

[Z]

It's a matter of reading the phrasing. It tells you explicitly that:

[one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area can make a full advance]

The second half tells you how many times you can do it, and the benefit that model has during his advance.

[ar2]

It's a matter of reading the phrasing. It tells you explicitly that:

[one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area can make a full advance]

The second half tells you how many times you can do it, and the benefit that model has during his advance.



To clarify. This should mean that you can choose the same model each time you make a full advance, a different model each time, or any combination thereof.

[Necra-Chi]

It's a matter of reading the phrasing. It tells you explicitly that:

[one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area can make a full advance]

The second half tells you how many times you can do it, and the benefit that model has during his advance.



The prases should be the other way around, or its telling me that one friendly model and only one, can make that many advances.

[JaggedToothGrin]

actually no, it starts by telling you who can do it (ie: one friendly non-warlock Faction model in vayl's control area) and then it tells you what that model can do (ie: make a full advance for each enemy model in her control area at the end of this turn)

the emphasis of the sentence occurs at the start, where it informs us of the context of the rest of the sentence, it then follows with the information to apply to the initial statement.

At the end of this turn after all friendly models have ended their activations, one friendly non-warlock faction model in vayl's control area can make a full advance for each enemy model in her control area at the end of this turn. During this movement, the affected model cannot be targeted by free strikes.

it can be (mis)read either way, but by saying "affected model" afterwards it lends serious weight to the interpretation that it applies to only a single model
i am pretty sure it is supposed to be played that it can affect multiple models, but the wording is pretty ungood. it should probably read something like

"At the end of this turn after all friendly models have ended their activations, Cat And Mouse Games triggers, for each enemy model in Vayl's control area when Cat And Mouse Games triggers, one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area may make a full advance. During this movement, the affected models cannot be targeted by free strikes."

[Necra-Chi]

How about:

At the end of this turn after all friendly models have ended their activations, for each enemy model in her control area, one friendly non-warlock Faction model in Vaylʼs control area can make a full advance . During this movement, the affected model cannot be targeted by free strikes.

[i_like_tool]

Also searching for clarification on this. If people misread it could imply that one model like a Carni could, saying a single full unit + UA is in Vayl's control area, move 72" without taking freestrikes. A full advance for EACH enemy model in her control area...so 12 models would mean 12 movements for ONE model if it's misinterpreted.

[Top]

I'm thinking its along the lines "There are 5 enemy models in Vayl's control area, therefore you may move 5 friendly non-warcaster models".

If its the other way, that 1 friendly model gets to move many times, it seems to me that this would make the Feat silly.

This is assuming I am even getting this anywhere close to correctly. :D
I have certainly been wrong before.

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[GunMageinTraining]

I just played it as if you get one 'charge' of the feat, per model. Each time you move a friendly model, it's one charge. You can only spend them on friendly models within your control area, sequentially. but I did end up double-moving a few models. I don't know if it's broken or not as it's really only moving them around Vayl. She herself can't move during it, and your not making any attacks, simply repositioning.

[Jaster]

I read it that you can choose to move up to the number of allowed models in any combination of movements (i.e as much as one model taking all the moves, or each model moving only once). The reason this has some balance to it is that once the model moves out of her control area, it can't move further, thus the most you could see is about a 40 inch movement (bringing it from the furthest end of her 16 Control, past her, ending right on the edge and taking it's next full move, which won't be more then 6-7, so 16+16+6 = 38 while impressive, you've feated to move one guy from the back to the front (or vice versa), or you can zig zag all over her control area to feel special, while it would be heavily impactive at times (being able to redeploy your lines), compared to the MKI version (being able to move directly after the enemy model, even able to foil charges in trade for a Free Strike (normally a bad trade unless it's a multi-attack model).

[i_like_tool]

Any official answer on this yet?.......

[Primus]

Don't expect many rules clarifications to come out of the Field Test, excepting those that are due to typos or missing text. The WM Field Test worked that way.

With any luck, once December 1st comes around PPS_DC will start up a new errata sticky.

[blitzmonkey]

Don't expect many rules clarifications to come out of the Field Test, excepting those that are due to typos or missing text. The WM Field Test worked that way.

With any luck, once December 1st comes around PPS_DC will start up a new errata sticky.


That and remember Thanksgiving is this week. The PPS have families too.

[Mael]

Thanksgiving is in October. Crazy Americans! ;)

[Lunatic Calm]

Answer is: Multiple models can move.

[Primus]

Appreciate the clarification and proving me wrong. :)

[Neutralyze]

mutliple models can move only once?

[lastspartacus]

Indeed, thats the question.

[Primus]

I'm interpreting it from Lunatic answering Necra-Chi's specific question in the first post, which was single-model-many-moves vs. many-models-single-move.

[Necra-Chi]

If it isn't one model many times then it can only be any number of models move a total x times combined where x is the number of enemy models in CTRL range.

So if x is 10 and you have 8 models
You can have 4 guys move once each.
3 Guy move twice each.
1 Guy not move.

[Primus]

Confirmed by PPS_DC as being many-models-single-move (http://privateerpressforums.com/showpost.php?p=8733&postcount=1).

[ar2]

Vayl - Add the following sentence to the end of Cat and Mouse, "A model can advance only once per turn as a result of Cat & Mouse."

The original post by DC is titled Update to the HORDES MkII Field Test and is stickied on the HORDES MK II Field Test (http://privateerpressforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=38) page. The link appears below.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=778

Hope this helps.