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12-27-2009, 08:10 AM
Just wanted to drop in to say hi. I'll be moving over to Warmachine/Hordes over the next year or so (though I probably won't be dropping 40k entirely). I'm still undecided on a WM faction, but I'll be playing Trollbloods in Hordes (love the minis!).
I do have a question (or two) that I haven't been able to find an answer to. I know the WM Mk. II rulebook comes out in a few weeks, but what about the other Mk. I books (Pirates of the Broken Coast, Superiority, etc...)? Will they be made obsolete by the new rules except as an interesting read for fluff purposes? Should I buy any of them for gameplay purposes?
12-27-2009, 08:27 AM
Those books will be replaced by the new "Forces of" books that will be coming out over the next few months.
12-27-2009, 09:11 AM
Thank you for the quick response! I had thought as much, but wasn't 100% sure.
12-27-2009, 11:54 AM
Welcome to the Iron Kingdoms! *gives Gobsmacked a cookie and a Dire Troll Mauler plushie* ^_^
You know, I originally picked up Warmachine as a "quick, little, other game to play when not playing 40k."
I've since sold off all my 40k stuff (several years ago, in fact) and haven't really looked back at all. :p
Not saying that it's going to specifically happen to you, too... but you never know... :D
12-28-2009, 05:43 AM
I'm not sure I'll be getting back into the gaming aspect of 40K, but I love the fluff/modelling aspect of it. I saw that some players go for alternate paint schemes in WM, but how much conversion or "counts-as" is available? Not proxy-ing like a GW Terminator or something for a Warjack. More like creating a character and using a converted model, but using an established character's stats (i.e. creating a "Kommander Kochenkov" but using Sorscha's stats)?
12-28-2009, 06:14 AM
In friendly games, it's usually not an issue, as long as the model has the appropriate weapons (that's a big kicker).
In tournaments, it's very WYSIWYG in the regards to using the right models. That's because of lot of events have time limits, so pausing to ask "who's that?" over and over slows things down.
I have a mercenary army where a lot of my models have conversions, but are still easily distingushable for what they're supposed to be.
Welcome to Warmachine/Hordes! Gamers check in, but they don't check out!
(And I'm an ex 40K player, 13yrs worth)
12-28-2009, 08:09 AM
how much conversion or "counts-as" is available? Not proxy-ing like a GW Terminator or something for a Warjack. More like creating a character and using a converted model, but using an established character's stats (i.e. creating a "Kommander Kochenkov" but using Sorscha's stats)?
Officially, for tournament use you should base the conversion off of the correct model and keep the proper general types of weapons in the proper hands. Swapping one sword for another is fine. Swapping a sword for a hammer isn't. However, it's up to the tournament organizer to have final word. Generally speaking, I've found that a lot of TO's will allow conversions as long as they're reasonably well done and it's clear what it's supposed to be. The hard-line rules (IMHO) are mainly there to give them support when they feel they need to ban a certain model. It's not possible to write rules to cover every possible way a model could be confusing or inappropriate so the easiest thing to do is leave that to a human to judge on a case-by-case basis.
Names don't matter at all. If you're playing Sorscha, then I know what you can do. If you want to think of her as Fifi the Ice Queen that doesn't affect my game in the least. You still might want to use the real name while describing what they're doing though.
12-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Here (http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=2776) is a thread devoted completly to conversions.... I can say that this thread doesnt even scratch the surface of what goes on out there. I have some models that I have inherited with some great conversion work done to them that are not posted.
12-28-2009, 03:28 PM
Thanks folks! I had actually found that thread on conversions after I posted and got a chance to look around a bit more.
Looking forward to getting started!
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