Khador Widowmaker Marksman

[Cereth]

Just stumbled across this on some website as a Feb2010 release. I haven't seen anything about it yet so i thought I'd post it...sounds awesome to me.


Khador Widowmaker Marksman $9.99

Operating independently, Khador’s senior Widowmaker marksmen move unobserved across the battlefield. The expert sharpshooters are equipped with the prized Vanar Liberator rifle. The Liberator weighs a full twenty pounds, nearly twice the weight of the standard hunting rifles issued to Widowmaker units. Capable of tearing through plate armor, Liberator rounds are as accurate as they are lethal in the hands of a Widowmaker marksman. Widowmaker Marksman comes in a blister.

A player may field one Widowmaker Marksman for each warcaster in a Khador army.

[OrsusSmash]

Just so you know, this info did pop up before a month or so back. Still, its good to see it again. This solo makes me a happy panda just thinking about the potential.

For example: what if it has the Bullseye rule on Lylth2 in the Hordes FT (gain +1 damage die to ranged attacks when aiming,) and, say, a P+S 12 gun? Along with the other common Widowmaker abilities, that would cause some trouble, me thinks. ;)

[Gnoa]

My guess is if you hit you can opt to automatically do 3 points of damage, much like eiryss or the ghost sniper.

[zombie-a-go-go]

My guess is if you hit you can opt to automatically do 3 points of damage, much like eiryss or the ghost sniper.

I'll feel a lot better about that damn Book of Menoth if this is the case. :)

Although given the description, my heart longs for a POW10 AP shot.

[Avecrien]

Pow 10 AP was what I was hoping from the new gunjack. I'd be happy with a sexy solo toting it around though :)

[Zaqir]

I'll feel a lot better about that damn Book of Menoth if this is the case. :)

Although given the description, my heart longs for a POW10 AP shot.


Ghost Sniper doesn't work on the Book.

Nothing works on the book except wasting 5 shots/hits to nail the damn book.

[Shadow37]

I'll feel a lot better about that damn Book of Menoth if this is the case. :)

Although given the description, my heart longs for a POW10 AP shot.

Not that I would mind, but a POW 10 AP shot would be ridiculous! Just imagine a weapon like that under S&P or Butcher's feat. Bone chickens would explode in one shot :)

[OrsusSmash]

Not that I would mind, but a POW 10 AP shot would be ridiculous! Just imagine a weapon like that under S&P or Butcher's feat. Bone chickens would explode in one shot :)

Yes, yes they would. I have no issue with this. :p

Seriously though, I think AP may be a bit of a pipe dream, and even if we do get it, I think it will be too weak to be all that valuable (POW 6-7, or some such.)

It is FA:1, so I expect it to have cooler rules than what would normally befit a non-character solo, but at the same time, I don't think a POW 10 AP gun would be all that well recieved amongst the other factions. ;)

[jack frost]

come on...it can't be the same as the ghost sniper because the gun is twice the size... I don't think it'll do any auto damage because it'll be big enough on it's own.

I think it ought to be pow 14 with crit knockdown and maybe give it stealth?

[Avecrien]

Pow8 AP and that's my final offer!

[Gnoa]

come on...it can't be the same as the ghost sniper because the gun is twice the size... I don't think it'll do any auto damage because it'll be big enough on it's own.

I think it ought to be pow 14 with crit knockdown and maybe give it stealth?

Well you have to remember that Widowmakers have the sniper ability, so he will at least auto damage for 1. It would be weird to take that ability off a elite Widowmaker, but i guess not impossible.

[Shadow37]

come on...it can't be the same as the ghost sniper because the gun is twice the size... I don't think it'll do any auto damage because it'll be big enough on it's own.

I think it ought to be pow 14 with crit knockdown and maybe give it stealth?

If the Decimator's gun is not big enough to knock down models then I'll be surprised if the Marksman's gun is able to do so.

Happy...but suprised :)

[riven5]

I'm kind of hoping for POW 13, RNG 14.

When the Marksman forfeits it's movement to gain the aiming bonus it can either gain

a) Brutal damage
or
b) Snipe

And while I'm wishing, I would also like a yacht and several billion dollars.

[whats82]

Don't ever hope for a 14" AP shot. The hunter cost 6 pts and need focus to operate, a 2~3pt solo will never get that.

[Blighted Messiah]

the question is- will the marksman up the field allowance of widowmakers?

[Avecrien]

I'd think more that it might buff the widowmakers than up the FA. 9 widowmakers and a full unit of Rifle corps would be funny though.

[Binz]

AP or Brutal Shot would be awesome. One of those two on an otherwise standard widowmaker stat line would make me very happy.

It probably wouldnt even need a Granted: or Tactic: that way, since it would essentially help the widowmakers with what they struggle with - multi-wound medium based infantry and light/heavy warbeasts/warjacks.

[Khador247]

the question is- will the marksman up the field allowance of widowmakers?

That is my hope as well but I doubt we'll be that lucky. Hopefully at least one of our casters will have a tier that allows us to take a second unit of them.

[FrozenWrath]

I'd like to see it as Brutal Shot but with a limited use (say 2-3) of AP shells

[Voltimor]

Liberator rifle ROF 1 Range 16 POW 13

Marksman has snipe and bullseye rule ^^

Critical Headshot: Damage over ARM is double <-- just wishful dreaming :P

[hoya4life3381]

Not to rain on everyone's parade, but I think the pts cost for WM solo will be very important. I'm guessing it's going to cost 3 pts instead of 2. I can't see it being the same cost as mechaniks or Manhunter.

If it's 3 pts and has just Ghost Sniper (3 dmg boxes), the solo is just not going to be worth it. I don't think people really use Eiryss 3 box ability that much and it's only good to clean up a jack's left over system. Jacks are now still capable of putting hurt on you even if a system is down.

The Hunter has AP 6. Assuming the WM solo gets that would be really good. Against light jack with armor 16 for example, you could be doing a whole column's worth of damage. Will they be that generous?

The WM solo if it costs 3 I'm thinking its going to be either taken by itself INSTEAD of Widdowmakers at 35 pts or taken at 50 pts with them. I can't see spending 7 pts on just Widdowmakers at 35 pts.

[ironbudha]

But a manhunter is only 2 pts........hmmmmm............


I envision him as being similar to the Ghost Sniper of the Retribution.......just hope he gets to add flavor to existing Widowmakers.

~IB.

[Uehen]

I hope it is two points.
I hope what ever it ends up doing that it is new to khador.
Even just another widowmaker, same stat line and then one new ablity that sets it apart.

You can get a whole bunch of cool for 2pts,
And at three, a whole army of other models start compeating for that spot.

A dog and feild gun.

Maaaaaybe it would be worth 3 with AP.

But let's not forget that the books are at the presses.

[Avecrien]

I've got the possible costs firmly in mind, but I think it'll be fun to have more shooters backing up a front line of jacks, so I'm excited about giving it a shot along with the riflecorps in a new playstyle for our faction.

I'm a widowmaker fanboy. I'd buy the model if all it did was glare at the opponent for 6pts.

[hoya4life3381]

I hope it is two points.
I hope what ever it ends up doing that it is new to khador.
Even just another widowmaker, same stat line and then one new ablity that sets it apart.

You can get a whole bunch of cool for 2pts,
And at three, a whole army of other models start compeating for that spot.

A dog and feild gun.

Maaaaaybe it would be worth 3 with AP.

But let's not forget that the books are at the presses.

If the solo is 2 pts and has only the Ghost Sniper ability, then we might be talking. Basically Eiryss stripped out of her Disruption and Phantom Bolt ability. Manhunter has AD, Pathfinder, Stealth, and Pathfinder. Widdowmakers have the same except trade Stealth for Camoflauge.

However, it's a ranged unit and ranged units always seem to have a cost premium over melee units. That's why I'm scared that the solo will turn out like Yuri, who in my opinion is fairly overcosted.

[zee]

Oh, I had assumed that it was a WA, but now that I read the fluff, it's sounding like a 2-3 pt solo with stealth. The auto 3-pt could be useful, as long as it also has 14".

[Voltimor]

I would be happy if it had range 14 and able to choose between pow 12 or auto 3 points damage with bullseye.
But maybe its long range 16" pow 10 or 11 rifle but Liberator rounds have brutal damage.

or critical Headshot almost like critical swallow on a critical it will kill small or medium based none warlock/warcaster warrior models outright

[Teknia]

Ghost Sniper doesn't work on the Book.

Nothing works on the book except wasting 5 shots/hits to nail the damn book.

Question...why doesn't that work?

Ancient Shroud specifies that a damage roll which exceeds the armor makes it take one point of damage. Things like Eiryss' Death Bolt do not make a damage roll, the model just takes 3 damage. Now, I don't know the Ghost Sniper rules (nor do I have access to them) but I assume it's something along the same lines.

[marskitten]

Personally I'd like a sergeant removal tool. Like if the unit leader is killed by this model, unit cannot give or receive orders or the unit loses -3 command until your next turn. That or ANOTHER 3 pt sniper would be useful as always, cause we SO need another for the widowmaker crew of: Kell, pEyriss and the Fab 4

[guruhoro]

It fires projectiles with such kinetic energy, that it will have Decapitate.
Just think about it. Their heads, like watermelons.

[frostaxe]

I am going to guess here. It will be range 14 with auto 3 points. Will grant the widowmakers bushwack. He will have a mini feat that will let you premeasure once per game.

[Snottlebocket]

I am going to guess here. It will be range 14 with auto 3 points. Will grant the widowmakers bushwack. He will have a mini feat that will let you premeasure once per game.

It'll also make you dinner and take your girlfriend out if she picks a chickflick for date night.

[frostaxe]

It'll also make you dinner and take your girlfriend out if she picks a chickflick for date night.

Seems a little OP to me. I would be willing to take your GF out for the movie if the solo would take care of the dinner. I might even go three points for that.

You no what make it two points and we can skip dinner :D

[smcwatt]

Something I've been trying to find out, but have not yet had confirmed, is if this model is a re-release of the IK RPG Khadoran Rifleman?

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

SMc.

[vytzka]

Something I've been trying to find out, but have not yet had confirmed, is if this model is a re-release of the IK RPG Khadoran Rifleman?

Can anyone confirm/deny this?

SMc.
I've seen these rumors before and people denied them but I can't give any references.

[Ravnak]

I want a pow 18 AP shot, with critical slam, disruption, ghost shot, weaponmaster and range 24.

Also, every time I fire the gun, a butler should walk in with a tray of After Eight mints...

[Necra-Chi]

I assume there is no new news about this guy? I personally am hoping for 2 pts for Range 14 Pow 12 RAT 8 Bullseye. With other widowmaker stats and abilities and some wounds of course.

[Yertle4]

RNG 14, POW 14 auto slam and ignores small and medium bases for LOS.

That'd be totally balanced. :p

[Mod_Faultie]

The picture of the model in the new NQ makes the gun look positively gargantuan.
With the way they talk about the "Vanar Liberator", it seems like an anti-tank gun to me. Maybe POW7, AP?

[riven5]

The only things that we know for sure is that the concept art for the model shows the marksman as a male, and yes, he is a solo.

[rvrchamp]

Dude... there's a photo of the model in the new NQ.

He looks cool, but don't we have enough eye patch widowmakers? It feels like the sculptor sorta "phoned it in" on the face of this one.

[OrsusSmash]

Dude... there's a photo of the model in the new NQ.

He looks cool, but don't we have enough eye patch widowmakers? It feels like the sculptor sorta "phoned it in" on the face of this one.

I was actually surprised to see this myself, as no one had mentioned the model (or at least, that I've read.)

I think the model looks pretty damn awesome; love the whole "jacket on the shoulders" look.

I do agree the eyepatch thing is a bit much, but at least its got some good detail on it, and I think the skull icon on his hat makes up for it. ;)

[jack frost]

our NQs have been delayed a week. can someone scan just the image of the marksman and the bombardier for me :D

[Daenar]

Ravnak, that was awesome.

Im looking forward to this model being released. I'd post the pic, but Im at work and left the magazine at home >.<

[Marth]

I do agree the eyepatch thing is a bit much, but at least its got some good detail on it, and I think the skull icon on his hat makes up for it. ;)

I for one keep telling myself "It's not an eyepatch - it's the khadoran Solid Eye?" ;)

[Avecrien]

C'mon now, if our marksmen used both eyes it wouldn't be fair to the other armies.

[rocky sausage]

I agree that this model could do nothing but look at the enemy and waste 6 point but i'd still field it out of love for my widowmakers (the first thing i bought after my battle box when i first started).

That being said i'm hoping for a solo widowmaker with AP seeing as how the thing sounds like an anti tank gun. They way i want him to work is in 35 point games u pick between him or the widowmakers. The unit being for unit removal and the solo for taking down small jacks/beasts. If he was going to boast up the unit at all it would have been better for him to be a unit attachment over a solo right?

[Marth]

Strangely, though, an anti-material rifle would paste people as much as tanks. Armor Piercing does not exactly work this way. I hope for Sniper + Hardened Ammunition. One Shot, one Column, similar to Alten Ashley.

[OrsusSmash]

Strangely, though, an anti-material rifle would paste people as much as tanks. Armor Piercing does not exactly work this way. I hope for Sniper + Hardened Ammunition. One Shot, one Column, similar to Alten Ashley.

The name for what you're talking about in Mk. II is "Catastrophic Damage". That could be a pretty awesome ability, though the gun would need to have some kick to it for it to be worth it, otherwise we'd end up with the Field Gun all over again.

For that reason, I'm kind of doubting that will show up. I don't think PP is going to hand us a solo with RAT 8, a POW 14 gun, and Catastrophic Damage. I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong, but I don't think the Marksman is going to be that anti-ordinance.

[Appolus]

I'm not entirely certain it IS an eyepatch. I see no strap, and it appears to be painted similarly to a lens/gem. Maybe it is a replacement eye or monocle or something, but he certainly isn't wearing a traditional eyepatch.

[OrsusSmash]

I'm not entirely certain it IS an eyepatch. I see no strap, and it appears to be painted similarly to a lens/gem. Maybe it is a replacement eye or monocle or something, but he certainly isn't wearing a traditional eyepatch.

See, thats closer to my hope for the model. What I really want is a solo that excels at removing enemy solos at range. For that to be the case, he'll need something akin to Arcane Precision/True Sight, otherwise anything with Stealth will stymie him. A magical eyepatch would be a decent way to do that. ;)

RAT 8, RNG 14, POW 13, Sniper for spite, and since I'm dreaming, Bullseye. :p

Gah! This model needs to come out already! I want the rules! :D

[jack frost]

ahhhhhh I hate you people and your "having the nQ"!!!!

damn you!

[Marth]

The name for what you're talking about in Mk. II is "Catastrophic Damage". That could be a pretty awesome ability, though the gun would need to have some kick to it for it to be worth it, otherwise we'd end up with the Field Gun all over again.

Ok, then Sniper + Catastrophic Damage. I thought it'd work this way: Shoot, hit, chose column, choose to inflict 1 point of damage, fill the rest of the column up.

[jack frost]

no no no...crit apocalyptic devestation

on a critical hit all models within 3 inches of the target suffer a pow18 blast damage roll. you may put ebutcher into play within this space and immediately attack with him.

yeah...I read it on the interwebs!

[Avecrien]

Skorne has abused elephant babies tossed onto the field for their cruel purposes. Can we get innocent little girls that, when damaged, summon Butcher to slaughter everything else on the field?

[Gnoa]

Can we get innocent little girls that, when damaged, summon Butcher to slaughter everything else on the field?

If this game were made by Capcom that would totally happen. :P

[pinkpantie]

Or if we would play Malifaeux. If I remember correctly, you can field small girls (but you lack Butcher, so, what kind of game would that be? :) ).
I want these rules, now! Please?

[rvrchamp]

Considering the new Cygnar caster has weapon master on her gun... Perhaps this guy will have it too?

Essentially a single widowmaker with rg 14, pow 12 weapon master... Perhaps even being able to chose the column to do damage to.

That'd be cool. well, cool considering on the pts cost.

[Komrade Karl]

Considering the new Cygnar caster has weapon master on her gun... Perhaps this guy will have it too?

Essentially a single widowmaker with rg 14, pow 12 weapon master... Perhaps even being able to chose the column to do damage to.

That'd be cool. well, cool considering on the pts cost.

I don't think there's any doubt he'll have Sniper, considering he's an uber-widowmaker :P. It's been speculated he might have the Ghost Sniper ability, which I certainly wouldn't mind.

[Yertle4]

no no no...crit apocalyptic devestation

on a critical hit all models within 3 inches of the target suffer a pow18 blast damage roll. you may put ebutcher into play within this space and immediately attack with him.

yeah...I read it on the interwebs!
I'm rage quitting Mk 2 if this doesn't happen.

All on your conscience!!:p

I don't think there's any doubt he'll have Sniper, considering he's an uber-widowmaker :P. It's been speculated he might have the Ghost Sniper ability, which I certainly wouldn't mind.
It would be a very non-Khadoran ability. I'm more tempted to think the gun will just hit really hard, really accurately. A ranged version of the Manhunter, if you will.

[Cronix]

A ranged version of the Manhunter, if you will.

Yea i think that to.. something like this:
RAT: 8 ROF: 2
RNG: 14 POW: 11
Advance Deployment
Duel Shot
Weapon Master

[Avecrien]

You can have that one if mine comes with AP pow8 :)

[n00buaddib]

She/he has to differ from Kell mind you. I speculate one powerful shot instead of two, maybe like a 2pt Eyriss that can deal 3 automatic points of damage.

[Komrade Karl]

I
It would be a very non-Khadoran ability. I'm more tempted to think the gun will just hit really hard, really accurately. A ranged version of the Manhunter, if you will.
I don't think it's un-Khadoran. IIRC, it's just Sniper except it's a * attack that does 3 points of damage. Chalk it up to him having seemingly inhuman precision or the size of that rifle. Either way, I think he's going to hit pretty hard.


Though it obviously won't happen, I would be endlessly amused if he had gunfighter.

[Invaderzahn]

Yea i think that to.. something like this:
RAT: 8 ROF: 2
RNG: 14 POW: 11
Advance Deployment
Duel Shot
Weapon Master

I'm sorry you're not allowed to have a solo with a gun better then the new Cygnar caster. :p

[OrsusSmash]

I'm sorry you're not allowed to have a solo with a gun better then the new Cygnar caster. :p

No, Strakov will have a better gun than the Cygnar warcaster. The Marksman's gun will be roughly equal. :p

[Invaderzahn]

No, Strakov will have a better gun than the Cygnar warcaster. The Marksman's gun will be roughly equal. :p

Touche' sir. Well played.

[Ganmeyde]

Yes, yes they would. I have no issue with this. :p

Seriously though, I think AP may be a bit of a pipe dream, and even if we do get it, I think it will be too weak to be all that valuable (POW 6-7, or some such.)

It is FA:1, so I expect it to have cooler rules than what would normally befit a non-character solo, but at the same time, I don't think a POW 10 AP gun would be all that well recieved amongst the other factions. ;) Just to note: POW 7 AP can do a fair bit of damage. You're at dice minus two on a good portion of the non-Khador heavies in the game. That's almost a whole column on average rolls. ;)

[CrimsonGuard]

I heard his picture's inthe new No Quarter. Can anyone confirm this? And did they use the IK figure or is it a new mold?

[Komrade Karl]

I heard his picture's inthe new No Quarter. Can anyone confirm this? And did they use the IK figure or is it a new mold?

It is in the new NK, and is to my knowledge a new sculpt (he's got a moustache and is standing upright holding the rifle with both hands. The rifle is at a bit of a slant, pointing upwards and he has a coat draped over him, hanging down and partially obscuring his right side)