Cyclone's punch?

[Manse]

The cyclone is cool. It's shooty, it's punchy. But looking at the model I'm not entirely sure how it is he punches with those big old guns. Seems like they would get in the way.

Could somebody with the model tell me if there is like a hinge or something between the arm and the cannons so that it can rotate/fold down out of the way? I'm not sure why this bothers me, it just does.

There might be a cool conversion idea in there somewhere...

[Ysthrall]

The model's not out yet but there's a nice rotatable view of it on PP website, I believe...

[Marius]

Well, the model isn't released for another few weeks so nobody knows anymore than can be seen on the pictures. Having said that, it doesn't look like there is.

[Manse]

Ah, just assumed it was out with the early MKII releases. Perhaps I'll need to pick him up right off the bat and answer my own question.

[Marius]

Jan 20th is, i believe, the release date.

[Techcasualty]

looking at the 3d view the gun is hinged on the outerplate of the arm, but not the interplate, and the gun's butt is far enough back that it could swing without hitting the elbow. I'm going to go with its able to swing down when the jack needs to punch

the guns butt even appears to have 'stoppers' or 'couplers' that align perfectly with the same object on the jacks elbows

[AxeHappy!!]

Why am I seeing conversions where the guns are shoulder mounted.....

[dergliss]

looking at the 3d view the gun is hinged on the outerplate of the arm, but not the interplate, and the gun's butt is far enough back that it could swing without hitting the elbow. I'm going to go with its able to swing down when the jack needs to punch

the guns butt even appears to have 'stoppers' or 'couplers' that align perfectly with the same object on the jacks elbows

The guns swinging down and out of the way is how I always pictured it working. Even if that isn't fluff standard, you can say it is or even make a fairly simple sculpt mod to make it so.

[Defenstrator]

I'm planning shoulder mounts if it is at all feasible. Leave the arms free for fighting and they just look cooler.

[russianpaladin]

I am seeing an easy conversion to make the barrels actually rotate. Oh the fun I will have drilling that out

[Manse]

Cool conversion ideas. Shoulder mounted heavy chain guns might actually look pretty good.

[thesavage]

Why am I seeing conversions where the guns are shoulder mounted.....

Where are you seeing these conversions? The model hasn't even come out yet.

[Tamwulf]

Where are you seeing these conversions? The model hasn't even come out yet.

People are imagining the conversions, that's all. All you have to do is look at any of a half dozen 'mech's from Battletech for the idea. Or even CAV has a few.

The trick will be mounting them in such a fashion as making them look like they belong up there on the shoulders. I'm thinking some guitar wire for couplings, and some kind of swivel mount or green stuff ball-and-socket mount.

[Agamemnon]

Shoulder mounted chain guns....Hmmmm... sounds cool I will have to see it before I go with that. I can see building the Jack with the guns swiveled out of the way... Other than that I like the arm mounted turrets... Gives him the Ramboclad authority.

[PrudentMantis]

In regards to the swing-out-of-the-way theory, wouldn't that put a hell of a lot of force on the hinge and latch and whatever? You'd need a whole lot of support structures locking in, otherwise wouldn't the recoil blow the chain guns off their mountings? Not that I know a lot about recoil or firearms or even can remember much of high school physics, but can someone who knows more about this sort of thing weigh in?

Of course, as a major fan of arm-mounted weapons (irrationally so), I am happy with it for sheer cool factor anyway, but somewhere in the back of my mind, a little voice is screaming for more data.

Sorry, I know that real-word physics shouldn't factor that much in full-metal fantasy, but as the old saying goes: You can get your readers to believe the impossible, but show them the improbable and they'll cry foul.

Or something like that.

[Techcasualty]

As far as I can tell, miniguns type weapons do not have a lot of recoil, or if I had to guess; their recoil is 'constant' rather than 'juttering'.

http://www.guncopter.com/images/gallery/uh-1n-minigun.jpg

http://www.epicycle.org.uk/images/minigun1.jpg

I mean, if it can be hand carried, it can't be that bad. I would think a jack size amount of thick steel coupled with electro-magnets would be enough to hold it

[arides]

It might be true that a minigun/gattling can be handcarried, but that doesn't say they have little to non recoil. In fact I can remember that they are ususally tripod mounted, but correct me if I'm wrong here.

For the problem with the mounting:

It won't be the Recoil you have to worry about, but the spinning of the barrels afaik. But I go with the "forget physic, it looks awesome" thing. I mean, bipedaled walking robots? If it would be that easy, we could mount a freakin' chaingun to its arms and it would work.

Lets just hope the Retribution does not come up with some anti-grav myrmidon :D

Oh, but if the cygnarian chainguns are our gattlings, than I demand that Alten Ashleys 'Bucking Jenny' is a Heckler & **** MG3. (During my military service I got the chance to fire one of those.)

[Shinobiwolf1980]

The cyclone is cool. It's shooty, it's punchy. But looking at the model I'm not entirely sure how it is he punches with those big old guns. Seems like they would get in the way.


Hey, if the end of those guns slammed into my face, I'm fairly certain I'd be taking a pow 14 hit. Of course, it doesn't help that my ARM is like 1. Go cotton shirt... protect me...a brief moment of cushioning right before I become a red mist.

On the other hand, arm and headlocks I can't explain.

[Pater]

The main problem with a hand carried minigun would be the weight of ammunition. I think they need around seven pounds of ammo per second and an external electrical supply to keep the barrels rotating...:cool:

[haji]

Maybe instead of swinging-out-of-the-way, the Cyclone kicks in melee.

[Redphantasm]

Why make the barrel of the chaingun rotate when you can reinforce it into a club. I imagine him hugging/grabbing with the fists when he power attacks. I imagine him jabbing, chopping, pimp slapping, and haymakering with the gun/arm when he hits.

[TsavongLah]

No rotating chain gun is strong enough to hit things without damaging its ability to fire, though.

On the other hand, **** physics. :p

[Redphantasm]

No rotating chain gun is strong enough to hit things without damaging its ability to fire, though.

On the other hand, **** physics. :p

They aren't using big enough barrels, obviously :P

[tophalion]

As far as I can tell, miniguns type weapons do not have a lot of recoil, or if I had to guess; their recoil is 'constant' rather than 'juttering'.


The recoil on the A-10's gun is greater than one of it's engines...

It also bears mentioning chainguns are extremely massive compared to guns that fire rounds the same size.

[Falcon42]

Just make pretend he's cracking them in the head with the guns. There, solved. ;)

[Shinobiwolf1980]

No rotating chain gun is strong enough to hit things without damaging its ability to fire, though.

On the other hand, **** physics. :p

In a world full of magic...physics got asterisked a long time ago. I mean... it's fantasy for a reason right?

[BENDER]

Reminds me of Vaarsuvius from Order of the Stick:

"I am capable of manipulating matter and energy on a subatomic level by speaking. A mere flick of my finger is sufficient to alter the gravitational pull of the planet. I shelve physics texts under 'Fiction' in the library, I consider the laws of thermodynamics loose guidelines at best. In short, I am grasping the reins of the universe's carriage, and every morning I wake up, look to the heavens, and shout, 'Giddy up, boy!' You many never grasp the complexities of what I do, but at least have the common courtesy to feign something other than slack-jawed oblivion in my presence. I, sir, am a wizard, and I break more natural laws before breakfast than of which you are even aware."

[Defenstrator]

The recoil on the A-10's gun is greater than one of it's engines...

If the Cyclone was armed with anything resembling an A-10's cannon then the Cyclone would cost 300 points. Range 20 6d6 Rapid Fire POW 14 AP for the win!

[BENDER]

And dont forget that the recoil would slam it backwards at least 6 inches per shot taken!

[GunMageinTraining]

I'm waiting for the first Cygnaran Recoiless rifle, or railgun.

We have electricity, we have magnetics (one would assume) we have magic... Railgun!

[CT GAMER]

Just make pretend he's cracking them in the head with the guns. There, solved. ;)

I think the term is "Gatling whipped"?

[Mod_Faultie]

If the Cyclone was armed with anything resembling an A-10's cannon then the Cyclone would cost 300 points. Range 20 6d6 Rapid Fire POW 14 AP for the win!
Let's see...*does math*
ROF of Cyclone gun = >200rpm : Rapid Fire [d3] in game terms
ROF of GAU-8 Avenger = ~4200rpm : Rapid Fire 21[d3] (scaled to game terms)

[OniBeowulf]

To me it looks like there are big reinforcing plates at the bottom of each gun. To me that looks like bashing plates to me. I just imagined that it used the guns as an improvised club :)

[oninofro]

Just make pretend he's cracking them in the head with the guns. There, solved. ;)

You are close to the truth.
The Cylon... I mean Cyclone shots a guy at point blank in the hip, letting it ride up to the shoulder at which point the barrels are rotating at full spin. This pumps hundreds of rounds into the target effectively throwing the target into the air. As soon as this kit comes in, I'm renaming its throw attack... :eek::)

[Mod_Faultie]

You are close to the truth.
The Cylon... I mean Cyclone shots a guy at point blank in the hip, letting it ride up to the shoulder at which point the barrels are rotating at full spin. This pumps hundreds of rounds into the target effectively throwing the target into the air.How long is he shooting the guy? The guns only fire just over 200 rounds per minute. Don't think a modern day Phalanx CIWS style gun. Think Spanish-American War era Gatling, without a hand-crank.

[Invaderzahn]

But what if its a two-handed throw?:p

[tophalion]

You are close to the truth.
The Cylon... I mean Cyclone shots a guy at point blank in the hip, letting it ride up to the shoulder at which point the barrels are rotating at full spin. This pumps hundreds of rounds into the target effectively throwing the target into the air. As soon as this kit comes in, I'm renaming its throw attack... :eek::)

Somebody has been playing too much Devil May Cry.

[Cambeul]

There can never be too much Devil May Cry

[Spooker]

Well sometimes there seems to be to much.
Just keep reading the forums.