Goreshade Cr 15pt

[Mehdals]

I just started playing about a week ago with the Cryx Battle set and won a few battles but my friend who plays Cygnar just picked up a Nemo list I cant seem to beat. I feel its my lack of range attacks. I came up a with a Goreshade the Cursed list I think should be able to take him.

Faction: Cryx
Caster: Goreshade the Cursed -5
Jacks: Leviathian 9
Deathripper 4
Unit: Bane Thralls 5
Solo: Skarlock 2

My tactics would be to march Skarlock 6 inches behind Leviathan having him cast Phantom Hunter allowing Leviathan a full 13in range of the battlefield. (even better put Leviathan behind cover and shoot at enemy warjack or snipers. I would use Goreshade to Occultation(stealth) Skarlock or possibly the Deathripper and upkeep it. Get Gorshade up within his 14in control range of Nemo hurting him whenever he casts a spell. The death ripper will work as a Arc for Hex Blast. I should be able to get fairly close with with Bane thralls because of their stealth (no lighting any closer then 5 inches) as long as they survive sniper fire.

Having roughly the same tactics I am also debating the list of

Faction: Cryx
Caster: Goreshade the Cursed -5
Jacks: Reaper 7
Deathripper 4 (x2)
Solo: Skarlock 2
Unit: Revenant Cannon Crew 3

If I can get Reaper to some Terrain with a blockade and cast Phantom Hunter on him I can pull the opponent to the wall with Harpoon and reach through the wall with Helldriver leaving the opponent on the other side of a rock or wall unable to reach me. Cannon crew can take out snipers. I can use the 2 arcnodes for hexblasts. However, this list makes Goreshades feat rather useless until a 25 pt list.

Please let me know what I can change to make a stronger list. I know this is a pretty jack heavy list for Goreshade who seems to be better with units but Chain Lighting from Nemo tends to rip units apart.

[Venethrax]

Have you considered switching out the cursed for the bastard?

-The Cursed's feat is useless in your current list.
-Leviathen is an over-glorified solo killer at 15 points, as bane thralls can tackle any heavy while having stealth. Freeing up a ton of points from the leviathen and thereby not needing a skarlock (as you have the deathwalker for free) gives you the chance to max your bane thralls, add in a UA, or possibly tartarus, and of course the extra free min. unit of goreshade's feat.

-Goreshade the Bastard +6
-Min Bane thralls 5
-Deathjack 12 (No need for an arcnode now)
-Tartarus / Or UA+ 3 Scrap Thralls (If opponent runs eiryss) or Machine wraith vs warmachine (in 15 points likely you'll go up against mostly 2 heavies, taking a third or more of an army out of the equation is just gravy).


Excuse me...I gotta go buy me a pGoreshade...so much counter and baney goodness.

*Edit* To me a Deathjack voids the use of a deathripper's node while being more powerful than the leviathen, and a free deathwalker in addition is the better deal along with a useful feat for those 15 points.

[Mehdals]

Thanx for the post and I understand his feat will be rather useless until I get into a high point army. However this leaves me short on ranged attacks. Cygnars B13 has been taking out my units before they can even reach any enemy force. Or he uses an AOE to get rid of my units Stealth and uses Chain Lightening on them. With out a higher range then 10 im pretty useless against his B13....

[Venethrax]

Thanx for the post and I understand his feat will be rather useless until I get into a high point army. However this leaves me short on ranged attacks. Cygnars B13 has been taking out my units before they can even reach any enemy force. Or he uses an AOE to get rid of my units Stealth and uses Chain Lightening on them. With out a higher range then 10 im pretty useless against his B13....

Okay well that's a start, what is your opponent running?

Nemo and B13, what else?

I'm not too up to snuff on cygnar abilities but could they be treated like shooting solo's? In which case run to engage with scrap thralls with shadowmancer up so they can deathburst. I can't imagine that at 15 points So many AoE templates are going out that with proper positioning your units are all getting melted in two turns.

If that doesn't work, Bane Lord Tartarus gives you +2 inches of range for your banes, so that's an option, the UA grants tough so you'll still have a better chance...wish I had the cygnar book :(