Consolidated "We want more Paladins all freakin' ready, PP!" thread

[SnakeEyes]

I'm going to start a consolidated thread that will contain links to all Paladin-related "wouldn't it be nice if we had one?" links from now until I see a frackin' Paladin someday.

Every time a new thread is created, I'll add it here.
1) 12/30/2009 - http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=5055
2) 1/10/2010 - http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=5674
3) 1/16/2010 - http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=6818
4) 1/25/2010 - http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=8021
5) 3/27/2010 - http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=16447
6) 7/28/2010 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?31055
7) 9/17/2010 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?36640-Order-of-the-Wall&p=532251&viewfull=1#post532251 (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?36640-Order-of-the-Wall)
8) 11/28/2010 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?43408-The-Homebrew-Caster-Challenge!
9) 7/13/2011 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?70943-Caster-Orders&p=973806
10) 7/17/2011 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?71476-Homebrew-Grand-Paladin-Alick-Albion
11) 5/6/2012 - http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?108848-Wild-Speculation-Paladin-Unit-2013

[lastspartacus]

The order of the wall is my absolute favorite part of Protectorate. They are like the 300, small, uber elite, and struggle against the wiles of their own ruling class while trying to fight their enemies. And they arent total ******s.

That said, they are the smallest group of individuals by far, what is it, 200?
I see a unit of them being impossible. Possibly some variant solo, and possibly some holy caster, though I doubt it, unless its Epic Vilmon.

[notsoevil]

I've never really liked them or the Paladin models either. KE ftw.

[Lanz]

That said, they are the smallest group of individuals by far, what is it, 200?


Where did you read that? I know the Order is small, but I don't recall ever seeing such a specific number placed on it, espeically one so small.

Though, realistically, even if there are only like 200, they are still -our- 200, and within reason we should have more of them available. I still think our 3man character unit in Legends should have been a paladin trio. I think having a unit of 3 specific paladins would both fit their few-in-number fluff, and fulfil most of what the protectorate players are asking for, since they are all the awesomeness of a unit and solos.

[GooeyGungan]

While the paladins are a small Order, the fluff published recently said something to the effect of, "Vilmon's inspiring achievements have proved how awesome the Order is, and it is only a matter of time before their numbers swell again." I know that's nothing like what was actually written, but you get the gist. Thus, with the larger numbers of Paladins, units and the discovery of warcasters within their ranks could be justified.

[lastspartacus]

Itd be neat to have a holy magic kinda solo or trio, but if theres a caster I really hope Vilmon just awakens his innate talent, it would suck to have a warcaster paladin that outperforms the mighty Vilmon.

The 200 number I got from, and someone correct me if i'm wrong, but IIRC Vilmon had gathered either all or most of the order to him to defend Sul,
and it was 200 I do believe.

I wish there was more about how the Order worked, but I assume since to being a paladin not only requires becoming a perfect soldier, a member being expected to stand alone impenetrable against a horde of enemies, it also requires rare and powerful weaponry, unless they come out and say you don't have to have a firebrand, which I wouldn't like.

[darisus]

While the paladins are a small Order, the fluff published recently said something to the effect of, "Vilmon's inspiring achievements have proved how awesome the Order is, and it is only a matter of time before their numbers swell again." I know that's nothing like what was actually written, but you get the gist. Thus, with the larger numbers of Paladins, units and the discovery of warcasters within their ranks could be justified.


Makes maybe a unit of paladin trainees a possiblity. Although KE would pretty much be what a unit of trainees are, lol. I like the 3 man unit idea alot. I was think something a little different. Here is something i don't think we have seen yet: How about a Paladin trainer/teacher with 5 wounds kind of like a regular pally, but with say 2 pally trainee models with 1 wound each. Kind of like a pally mentor and his students. Perhaps with the option to add more trainees at a set point cost per model, probably 1.

Order of the Wall Mentor & Paladin Trainees

Models: 3
Point cost: 4, up to 2 more trainees can be added at 1 pt. per model
Base size: small
FA: 1
Damage: Mentor 5 wounds, Trainees 1 wound ea.

Paladin Mentor
spd 5, str 6, mat 7, rat 4, def 13, arm 16 cmd 9
fearless
Tactics: stone and mortar stance - During its activation, this unit can forfeit its movement or action to gain +5 ARM. The affected models cannot be knocked down. Stone-and-Mortar Stance lasts for one round.

Granted: Combined Melee Attack - Models in this unit gain Combined Melee Attack ICON.


Paladin Trainee
spd 5, str 6, mat 6, rat 4, def 13, arm 16 cmd 8
fearless

Set Defense -

A model in this modelʼs front arc suffers –2 on charge, slam power attack, and impact attack rolls against this model

WEAPONS [PALADIN MENTOR]
Firebrand [1x] (None)


POW:

7P+S: 13

Critical Fire
Magical Weapon
Weapon Master

Weapons [PALADIN TRAINEE]

Training Blade [1x] (None)


POW: 5 P+S: 11
Weapon Master

Made the mentor a little less powerful statline-wise then a regular pally to reflect his age. I figure the older ready to retire pallies would be train the next generation ones. making Stone and mortar a tactic reflects the training to be a solo pally and giving granted CMA as the mentor tells them the best way to weild their blades training them a a group. Anyways i thought this might be a cool new unit idea to have a mentor and trainees, plus it fits with the fluff for the influx of popularity the Order is recieving.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

"Among Menoth's first gifts to man was the Wall, by which we protect out people. Atop the first wall at civilization's dawn, a paladin stood vigil." - High Paladin Dartan Vilmon

Delicious new quote from our section in Prime MK II

[lastspartacus]

Firstly, I'm jealous you have the book. Secondly, I don't believe thats a new quote.

[psycnarf]

Vilmon is in-charge of half of the Order. I think there are about less than 500 paladins in total w/in the protectorate and even fewer elsewhere where the Old faith continues to preach.

Im hoping for a Paladin of Menoth from khador to spring into action as a warcaster inspired by vilmon and determined to prove himself worhty of the Harbinger's approvval

[Justicator]

Unless it's in the IK World Guide rather then the Player guide ... or in the Vilmon description or the fluff of that book ... I've never seen anything to indicate the Order of the Wall is that small.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

Unless it's in the IK World Guide rather then the Player guide ... or in the Vilmon description or the fluff of that book ... I've never seen anything to indicate the Order of the Wall is that small.

It is, the numbers are from the Protectorate Military section of Superiority.

[lastspartacus]

Ya something like that in the low hundreds. I don't think it was anywhere in those areas Justicator, rather the story in the different books, one of the last two, I think?

Only half the order? Why not the whole order?

Also, has Vilmon really done anything amazing lately, other than walk around with all the other named characters?

[Mod_Redphantasm]

Firstly, I'm jealous you have the book. Secondly, I don't believe thats a new quote.

You should be, this book is g-freaking-orgeous.

Oh and lots of new fluff. Stryker vs High Reclaimer? Yes please.

[Moonblade]

Damnit Redphantasm, you make me wanna spend money!

[Justicator]

It is, the numbers are from the Protectorate Military section of Superiority.

Ah, that is consistently the only book that I can't seem to ever get my hands on.

[lastspartacus]

Newstuff as in fluff? Gah. Whens it officially come out again? And I heard there's a new perspective on 'the telling of the story', last one was...Magnus? I wish there was more magnus stuff. Oh wait that was hordes, I think Rupert told the Prime backstory.

Redphantasm, could you give us fluff info?

Also, is the layout sexy/practical?

Edit: Same here Justicator. A friend of mine had some on PDF, books he owned of course, and let me borrow the PDF files. For some reason, out of all the books, the story part of Superiority was cut out. Frustration!

[Seon]

assuming they do have atleast 300, and everyone plays with atleast one per match (averagely as some will take none others take 3) and then every game or two, one of the paladins die. This the amount of menoth players.... Its a suprise we still have paladins :D

[Moonblade]

assuming they do have atleast 300, and everyone plays with atleast one per match (averagely as some will take none others take 3) and then every game or two, one of the paladins die. This the amount of menoth players.... Its a suprise we still have paladins :D

It's like saying 'Assuming we have one Hierarch Severius, and he got killed sometimes when Protectorate players lose, it's a surprise we have Hierarch Severius.'

[Nicodemus]

If I make a comment about how I'd like to see a Paladin caster, will it get linked into the first post here (for recursion silliness)?

[Nargacuga]

The Paladin/Harbinger/Avatar aspect of Menoth is what got me started playing this game in the first place.

MOAR PLZ!

[PitLord]

You know I always thought a smallish group of paladins would make a nice Character unit. Dosn't change that there are not many of them adds more paladins to the game.

[Nighkhaun]

when my friend was introducing me to the game he was showing me apotheosis (he had it on him at the time) and telling me about the Avatar and Harby and Vilmon, and I thought those were all warcasters and totally bought into Menoth.
"So, Menoth is a God, he is acknowledged to exist, he has his own prohpet, his physical incarnation in a giant robot, aaaaand they have paldins? Yeah going with those guys"

[SnakeEyes]

Just for the record, Superiority has the Order of the Wall's number listed as 500.

[Nargacuga]

I thought they were over 9,000.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

I thought they were over 9,000.

What! 9,000?

[WielderOfTheTrueLaw]

Damnit Redphantasm, you make me wanna spend money!

that's a good thing, more money spending equals a better economy.

Leadership: Order of the Wall
Grand Paladin Trenton Bouridor
High Paladin Dartan Vilmon
High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
High Paladin Blaine Rocamber

Assets: 500 Paladins

^taken straight from superiority

[Invader Larb]

I'd love a three-man unit of Paladins a la the Great Bears. That would be good times.

[lastspartacus]

Ah wow, thats news to me. I always thought Vilmon was in charge, but hes one of three vice leaders under a singular leader. Maybe this leader is the guy we are looking for as a caster. If they do make him, he better be amazing, as hard hitting as vilmon, with lots of spells that buff solos beyond belief.

Warcaster Trenton Bouridor
Feat: None Shall Pass. Draw a line from one table edge to another, this must intersect Trenton's base. Trenton gains Stone and Mortar Stance and Impervious Wall for one round. Enemy models hit by the line suffer a pow14 damage roll. Enemy models treat this line as an obstruction for one round, and lose incorporeal and wings ability when enterint within an inch of it. ;)

[Invader Larb]

Cute. Add Ghostly too.

Or, simply say enemy models may not cross over this line a la eMagnus' feat.

[lastspartacus]

Thats simpler. Or if that is too broken, give him FOC7 and have it extend his control range. Actually I think that would be a neat feat, and not broken.

Obviously he would be a beatstick comparable to Reznik, but loves troops more than jacks. I'm thinking a spell that gives stone and mortar option to a model/unit, but I dunno if that would be broken or not. Inviolable Resolve or Protection of Menoth would be good on him too.

[SnakeEyes]

Oh no! Another discussion of a Paladin caster within the thread to track discussion of threads about Paladin casters! Do I have to link to this thread? That'll cause an infinite loop!

[Invader Larb]

Yes. You have to link to this thread. Enjoy.

[Moonblade]

I'd like to have 2 more Paladin solos:
High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
High Paladin Blaine Rocamber

each giving unique abilities to other Paladins. This means if we take all five Paladins (Three High Paladins and two normal Paladins) they all get the granted abilities. That'll make excellent addition in the army.

Albeit taking all five of them might cost 3pt x 3 + 2pt x 2 = 13 points on their own..

[psycnarf]

I doubt Boridor will be a warcaster but Blaine might...

[meleemadness]

Vilmon is in-charge of half of the Order. I think there are about less than 500 paladins in total w/in the protectorate and even fewer elsewhere where the Old faith continues to preach.

Im hoping for a Paladin of Menoth from khador to spring into action as a warcaster inspired by vilmon and determined to prove himself worhty of the Harbinger's approvval

That's what Kreoss is or was going to become until a Knight Exemplar saw him praying and recruited him. He was intent on becoming a Paladin.....

Anyway, I think they could make good WA's for our exemplars. Maybe add some defensive abilities or something else. I initially thought they might be our UA's but I can't see KE's letting paladins lead them, help them with defense, yes.

[Nighkhaun]

I'd like to have 2 more Paladin solos:
High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
High Paladin Blaine Rocamber

each giving unique abilities to other Paladins. This means if we take all five Paladins (Three High Paladins and two normal Paladins) they all get the granted abilities. That'll make excellent addition in the army.

Albeit taking all five of them might cost 3pt x 3 + 2pt x 2 = 13 points on their own..

What about the other paladins granting the ability to bring 1 additional paladin solo ala field officer (aka mk1, seneschal had it and vilmon i do beleive) so vilmon, 2 pallys as per normal, than the two other high paladins who could both bring one additional paladin, aaaand then you have 7 paladins. Bring in a possible paladin warcaster for an all paladin theme list (bringing the avatar and a templar or two, naturally) aaand welcome to the wall of sheilds, right, right?
Yeah... I can dream
of course you could add in a mounted paladin (if the caster isn't) and a character unit of paladins (which I think is very doable) whala!
If I'm gonna dream might as well dream big

[psycnarf]

That's what Kreoss is or was going to become until a Knight Exemplar saw him praying and recruited him. He was intent on becoming a Paladin.....

Anyway, I think they could make good WA's for our exemplars. Maybe add some defensive abilities or something else. I initially thought they might be our UA's but I can't see KE's letting paladins lead them, help them with defense, yes.

yup im familiar w/ Kreoss' back story, he's a coulda, woulda, shoulda been a paladin.

Anyways i dont the paladins will be an exemplar's UA or WA.

Paladins are special forces they dont need to be attached to another unit they just kick -@rse along w/ the kungfu monks

[Moonblade]

I would love if we only get Gartinius as a solo with Field Officer [Paladin of the Order of the Wall]. That way we can field 2 High Paladins and 3 Paladins for 12 points. That would look awesomely cool with the Harbinger, the Avatar, and two Templars. I don't care if they don't win tournaments or games. I'll field them any day just for the coolness.

+4 Harbinger of Menoth
- 8 Templar
- 8 Templar

-11 Avatar of Menoth

- 3 High Paladin Dartan Vilmon
- 3 High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall

Total: 35 points

[Lanz]

I would love if we only get Gartinius as a solo with Field Officer [Paladin of the Order of the Wall]. That way we can field 2 High Paladins and 3 Paladins for 12 points. That would look awesomely cool with the Harbinger, the Avatar, and two Templars. I don't care if they don't win tournaments or games. I'll field them any day just for the coolness.

+4 Harbinger of Menoth
- 8 Templar
- 8 Templar

-11 Avatar of Menoth

- 3 High Paladin Dartan Vilmon
- 3 High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall

Total: 35 points

This list gets my stamp of approval, and I'm stealing it if we do get 5 more points of paladin goodness.

[SnakeEyes]

Added a new Paladin caster link.

[Mig]

I would rather have monks or (temple flameguard) priest as a 3 man non-char unit.
I wouldn't mind a Paladin Dragoon or warcaster though.

(and Idrian Light cav)

[Moonblade]

As said before, SnakeEyes, you should link this thread in this thread and make an infinite loop.

[Soylent]

I fully agree that we should have more order of the fist.

[Demeritus]

I fully agree that we should have more order of the fist.

My big gripe with this is that the monk does not really have a well defined role. He was lacking one in mk1 and more so in mk2 when a lot of his neat abilities were taken from him.

While I would not be opposed to getting more Order of the Fist, I want them to have a more well defined role in our faction and not have to compete in the 2 point slot against choirs, vassals, covenant, and paladins.

[Soylent]

I agree, I was just being smarmy as I'm not really on the paladin boat. For me PotOotW seem too defensive/reactive in fluff and playstyle. I prefer a more offensive approach.

[ohms]

Dragoon Grand Paladin Trenton Bouridor please!


I'd like to have 2 more Paladin solos:
High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
High Paladin Blaine Rocamber

And yes please!

I need more cruise missiles!

[malfred]

They're just making you appreciate the paladins you get more by not releasing new ones.

[SnakeEyes]

Added another:
http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=8021

[SnakeEyes]

New one added.

[TrintLord]

I think PP is not adding a paladin caster because they know if they did such a thing than no one would play any of the others anymore :P

[Marius]

Speak for yourself. Nothing will permanently take me away from Reznik and our Heirarch. I'm predicting Vindictus is going to join my line up of favorite warcasters for the Protectorate as well. There's just something about the guy that clicks.

[Lanz]

He'd go into my list of dudes, I'd play him until I'm sick of him, then rotate to another warcaster or faction, like I always do. I doubt he'd get any more table time than any other warcaster.

I mean, if theme and fluff were all it took to decide a warcaster, most of us would just play Kreoss. All. The. Time.

I know I don't.

[Craaag]

I'd love to see a Paladin unit. I think this is long overdue.

When we get a 2nd Dragoon it had better be a Paladin for goodness sakes already! How long have we been crying for that?

For all the awesomeness that a Paladin warcaster would be, does it really make all that much sense fluff-wise? maybe that's why we'll never see one? There seemed to me a Protectorate revulsion to warcaster magic and that Menoth's technology was alittle different than the typical warcaster/warjack technology, which was impure. I feel that a paladin wouldn't have those kind of abilities.

I imagine that Harby's tiers will allow unlimited paladin solos, similar to manhunters in Sorscha's (I think?). That would be cool as you could have 5 or 6 of them in S&M. PP needs a 3rd WM sculpt though, I hate that helmet on the IK one.....

[Soylent]

I think PP is not adding a paladin caster because they know if they did such a thing than no one would play any of the others anymore :P


I don't even play with the paladins we have now. I tend to be a fan of the Flameguard and Exemplars.

[Razhem]

I poop on your paladin fetish!

[Soylent]

fecal-palatinephilia?

[SnakeEyes]

Been awhile but added a new one.

[Asheth]

Hooray! I was waiting for this to resurface! :)

[Terraneaux]

Speak for yourself. Nothing will permanently take me away from Reznik and our Heirarch. I'm predicting Vindictus is going to join my line up of favorite warcasters for the Protectorate as well. There's just something about the guy that clicks.

Why, because he's basically Starscream?

[robsbot]

I may be the odd one out, but I don't want a paladin caster.

Don't get me wrong, that would be AMAZING and if it was fluffy could have some serious defensive synergies but...

IDK, I don't want to see "EPIC WARCASTER VILMON" and I certainly don't want anyone outclassing him. However, if they could give us another paladin solo that gave all paladins and vilmon counter charge...

I'd cry.

[Gx1080]

Yeah, we totally need more Weapon Masters.

-Brought to you by Sarcasm.

[robsbot]

Yeah, we totally need more Weapon Masters.

-Brought to you by Sarcasm.

We need some jacks with weapon master TBH.

[Terraneaux]

I want to see 'Epic Warcaster Vilmon.'

His feat should be MK I version of Impervious Wall to all friendlies in his control area.

[Terraneaux]

We need some jacks with weapon master TBH.

If Amon gets a character Dervish at some point, it should totally have weapon master.

Though that would be total rape in terms of damage output.

[lastspartacus]

Mini Molik!

[robsbot]

A little off topic, but I haven't read the fluff for Vindicus. He seems like his ideologies line up well with the Paladins (not to mention his spells). Does he have any history with them whatsoever or is he some roving prophet that just happens to hold the same ideologies true?

[baronvonchaos]

Warcaster Trenton Bouridor
Feat: None Shall Pass. [stuff...]

lol. Does he have the "It's just a flesh wound" ability too? Works like Ancient Shroud... Also has the ability "The black knight always triumphs" - This model has tough. When this model is disabled, he gets to make 1 melee attack before it is boxed.

This is almost obnoxious enough for me to enjoy making my opponents roll their eyes when I put him on the table.

(not to poo poo your idea Spartacus, It's a good idea, just, "none shall pass" made me think Monty Python).


Anyway, I think they could make good WA's for our exemplars. Maybe add some defensive abilities or something else.
This is brilliant. I'd totally love to take some Paladins like the soulless escorts. Can be attached to any unit. Grants Gird or something cool like that.



+4 Harbinger of Menoth
- 8 Templar {7 pts}
- 8 Templar {7 pts}

-11 Avatar of Menoth {10 pts}

- Choir of Menoth 3
- 3 High Paladin Dartan Vilmon
- 3 High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall
- 2 Paladin of the Order of the Wall

Total: 35 points

Actually this is a tier list and if you throw in a full unit of Choir, you still have 35 pts. Tier 4 is -1 to jacks with only a melee weapon. You could even field an extra paladin without the use of Gartinius. Bold = my changes
　
They were saying that all the IK minis would get some kind of place in the game if indeed they could be placed....
　
http://privateerpress.com/files/products/iron-kingdoms/sir-ekkrion-paladin-of-menoth.png　
What about Sir Ekkrion. Head of the Khadoran Paladin sect? Ally solo with Khador. That could be cool. I like his sculpt. I think I'll get it for fielding extra paladins with my Harbinger Tier list.

[Kovnik Obama]

Just to be a d!ck (and 'cause I don't care much for Paladins)

MOUHAHAHA, Daughter of the Flame Caster in your face!!!

:o

[Revvy]

I still maintain that a Paladin Warcaster is never going to happen. It would have to lose too much stuff that Paladins are supposed to have in order to manageable. At base, you're looking at, what, defense 14 armor 16? It probably should be more since a Warcaster's power armor should be better than a normal Paladin's armor, but we'll run with it for now. 5 focus at a minimum. A spell list that includes Defender's Ward or an Eye of Menoth-style +1/+1 to def and arm. And, of course, what Paladin would be complete without Stone-and-Mortar Stance. Top it off with, what, 16hp? Probably some defensive feat? So in total this Paladin Warcaster sits pretty at defense 16, armor 27 round-to-round. You're going to need a dedicated anti-armor solution to take care of this caster, which is going to be trouble to get into place with all the defensively buffed infantry this caster is going to be able to field. It just sounds too powerful to me.

[SnakeEyes]

Got to personally ask Jason Soles for a Paladin warcaster this weekend at Gencon. His response was "not soon". :-( But, hopefully, he at least contemplates it.

BTW, I'm okay with the Daughters warcaster 'cause assassination wins almost every game/tourney regardless of format. Now she just needs to allow her army to assassinate and not be another Protectorate caster who has to personally do it herself.
A control/denial Paladin would win games, too, but, its strength would primarily be in scenario-based games.

[lastspartacus]

+1 for Paladin caster. But as to the DotF caster, what other menoth casters tend to personally assassinate?

[Demeritus]

+1 for Paladin caster. But as to the DotF caster, what other menoth casters tend to personally assassinate?

Feora and Reznik definitely can. Testament prefers his army but that said with enough souls/focus he can do it easily.

[SnakeEyes]

It's about that time... added a good recent thread on the subject.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?36640-Order-of-the-Wall&p=532251&viewfull=1#post532251

[marijnh]

Yes. Gief Moar Paladins.

[Soylent]

How I hate those panzy paladins...I'll take an Exemplar any day.

[SnakeEyes]

New one added to OP.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?43408-The-Homebrew-Caster-Challenge!

[Jaren]

Linked you to the Homebrew Locator (since there IS Homebrew in this thread).

OT: I'd get my Menites out of storage to play a Paladin Caster.

[SnakeEyes]

It's been awhile. But we have another to add to the collection.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?70943-Caster-Orders&p=973806

[hiveziz]

Leadership: Order of the Wall
Grand Paladin Trenton Bouridor
High Paladin Dartan Vilmon
High Paladin Nivare Gartinius
High Paladin Blaine Rocamber

Assets: 500 Paladins

^taken straight from superiority

That's rather interesting they must have grown since then, Forces of Warmachine Protectorate of Menoth Mk2 page 19 "Order of the wall Numbers: 800"

[Doblin James]

That's rather interesting they must have grown since then, Forces of Warmachine Protectorate of Menoth Mk2 page 19 "Order of the wall Numbers: 800"

Yeah, I was getting ready to post that myself. And I thought Vilmon lead the order too now. Regardless... can I haz moar pretty pallies PP? :D

[marijnh]

That's rather interesting they must have grown since then, Forces of Warmachine Protectorate of Menoth Mk2 page 19 "Order of the wall Numbers: 800"

Read Vilmon's fluff entry in FoW: PoM. His heroic actions are largely responsible for the growing number of applications for the Paladins.

[SnakeEyes]

Very cool that the Order of the Wall is increasing in size in the fluff. Go, go Team Paladin!

[zionson]

I mean, if theme and fluff were all it took to decide a warcaster, most of us would just play The Harbinger. All. The. Time.
Fixed that for 'ya.

[zionson]

I don't want more Paladin solos. Our army lists are often loaded with solos. :p

I want Paladin UNITS. They're growing in number. By the time the next WM book rolls out, there'll be enough to field a FA 1 or 2 unit of Paladins. Heck, make two units. One unit of single wound models and another multi-wound model unit.

Make it happen.

[Silverstar843]

F****d that for 'ya.

Fixed that for you.

[jandrese]

I don't want more Paladin solos. Our army lists are often loaded with solos. :p

I want Paladin UNITS. They're growing in number. By the time the next WM book rolls out, there'll be enough to field a FA 1 or 2 unit of Paladins. Heck, make two units. One unit of single wound models and another multi-wound model unit.

Make it happen.

Something like a Paladin Training Corps? A unit full of wannabes that signed up because Vilmon is so cool.

Maybe: SPD 6 MAT 7 RAT 4 DEF 12 ARM 15 CMD 9 Fearless, Shieldwall, P+S 12 Weaponmasters with Crit Fire? Probably end up as a 6/9 unit or worse with those stats though, and frankly another beatstick unit is not really that interesting.

I'm not sure what else would be appropriate on a unit like that though. Ward is overused, Pathfinder makes no sense, Shield Guard would be kinda weird, maybe force lock if they're in shieldwall? (You Shall Not Pass).

[SnakeEyes]

I'm not sure what else would be appropriate on a unit like that though. Ward is overused, Pathfinder makes no sense, Shield Guard would be kinda weird, maybe force lock if they're in shieldwall? (You Shall Not Pass).
SPD 5/6, Reach, Weaponmasters with Impervious Wall would be good enough for me. Oh wait, that's like a unit of Paladin solos. That's okay by me! :)

Response: "A unit that can only be damaged by magic attacks?! Broken, I say!"
SnakeEyes: *Shakes head and points to Cryx Incorporeal units*

[Terraneaux]

SPD 5/6, Reach, Weaponmasters with Impervious Wall would be good enough for me. Oh wait, that's like a unit of Paladin solos. That's okay by me! :)

Response: "A unit that can only be damaged by magic attacks?! Broken, I say!"
SnakeEyes: *Shakes head and points to Cryx Incorporeal units*

To play devil's advocate, what would that spell that eSevvy has do to them, making them untargettable by spells?

Oh wait, that might make eSevvy playable.

[SnakeEyes]

The Paladin unit would still be vulnerable to magical melee and magical ranged attacks. And still in the situation that if they attack, they lose Impervious Wall.

[Soulblighter]

The problem with that idea is that it makes Knights Exemplar completely obsolete. Why would you ever use Knights Exemplar, if you could just take a Paladin unit thats nearly identical but has Impervious Wall? A Paladin unit should be different enough from Knights Exemplar that both units would have merits. One shouldnt just be outright better than the other.

[SnakeEyes]

Why would you ever use Knights Exemplar, if you could just take a Paladin unit thats nearly identical but has Impervious Wall?
Impervious Wall vs. Bond of Brotherhood. That's significantly different. One unit "becomes a wall" (albeit with a weakness), the other makes it more durable and hit harder. I was thinking of something like jandrese's suggested P+S 12 for the Paladins. So KE end up hitting harder whereas the Paladins act more as a shield to your army. Hammer and anvil type thing. So different functions and in no way obsoletes the KE.

[darisus]

Perhaps one of those new 2 man units PP is trying out... Senior paladin and trainee type thing. Not sure on abilities, but having it be a 2 man unit means you can get a little more extravagent with abilities since they are effecting less models.

[delar]

I like the idea of having less pow and acting more as a defensive shield for our back ranks. The other idea I was tossing around at my LGS is to make a generic weapon attachment like retributions soulless.

I can also for see a two man unit that was mentioned. Pally ranks are increasing but I doubt they will reach exemplar levels.

We should have a young pally caster by now. The order must have someone with the gift. I do want to see Vilmon go epic but not as a caster. I can't see it being rationalized within the lore, given everything the man has been through prior standing up against Voyle.

[Doblin James]

Right, I put together a banner for my sig; I tried to caputre the Pally paintscheme, but I'm not really sure how well I did. I'd be happy to get some feedback! Feel free to borrow it if you want it.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/royallord/Mk2-1.jpg

If your interested, the link for this is: http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh102/royallord/Mk2-1.jpg

[Silverstar843]

You have my support.

[Ivellis]

I wish I could make a fully Paladin force. Give me a 'caster, a unit or two and I'm happy. Paladin 'caster, Templar, Avatar, Paladin unit, Vilmon, max solo Paladins.

[Sacred_Fire]

BUMPED THIS THREAD BECAUSE THE PALADIN IS THE MOST HEROIC UNIT IN ALLLLLLLLLLL OF WARMACHINE/HORDES AND PoM NEEDS TO HAVE A THEME FORCE OF ONLY PALADINS!!! GOGOGOGO PP, YOUR MOVE!

[Harbylove]

This isn't a bump, it's pure necromancy! KILL IT!

[Monza]

I think before we get all worked up about a warcaster paladin we ought to have unit. When I first saw paladins they seem pretty cool. While Examplars followed what they were ordered to do by the higher authority, paladins followed what they believe to be right, and can disobey the higher authority if it interfers with their goals (protecting the people). I thought they seemed quite cool, and I wanted to make paladin when I first saw them. Sadly between Examplar and Flameguard vthey don't have much aside from their solo.
I personally think paladins ought to have a cleric like paladin, one that is focused less on slicing everything. IMO it would be as Vassal of Menoth is support to warjacks the cleric would be the vassal for our units. That to me would be cool, we would get anothor support, but make it so its not afriad to get its hands dirty. My 2 cents.