Getting Retribution on Vassal

[Mazinger]

Does any one know if there is any progress with getting Retribution in the Warmachine module yet? I have decent photoshop skills and can make the sprites needed no problem but have no idea who I need to contact and such. So I thought maybe it was best to rally up the forum and see if we can get something sorted out before I started working on it alone.

So who is interested in helping and what skills can you bring to the table?

[Hobo]

All of the Retribution models for Vassal are complete. I'm still waiting on a response from PP before I can include them in the module however. With any luck they'll be in the module by the end of the month. You can see the sprites here (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4811/retribution.jpg) if you're interested.

Incidentally there is now a vassal Retribution banner here (http://vassalwmh.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=54).

[theorymachine]

This is great news. Retribution for vassal is highly anticipated. The posted sprites are quite pleasing as well.

[gdaybloke]

Very excited for this.

I endorse and/or approve this addition to the Vassal platform.

... cos you know how my personal opinion carries so much weight... :P

[loftybloke]

Thanks for the work put in here Hobo, I look forward to this going live :)

[Mazinger]

Woo zero work for me :P

I look forward to using real Ret models.

[Arhat00]

Why is the assassin running away in the banner? :(

[barrel]

How do you tell which one is the leader for like the battle mages? It looks like there are a few groups that do not have leader and troop choices.

[Sevwall]

Wait, you get PP approval before you include the sprites? So Vassal is semi-approved by PP? Or am I misunderstanding this?

[SnakeEyes]

Great news! I'm been waiting to proxy some Retribution on Vassal before making purchases. It's between them and Cryx for being my next faction.

I also just noticed the Templar and other new faction models in the sprites. Nice! And thank you!

[Silopolis]

I really should get in on this whole Vassal thing. Is there an FAQ or something that might help me get into it?

[Mazinger]

I really should get in on this whole Vassal thing. Is there an FAQ or something that might help me get into it?

There was a topic on the old forums about it. You get vassal, get the Warmachine module installed and then goto the lobby and set up a game with your opponent. It's quite simple and I'm sure you can find someone to help you.

I doubt you guys will ever get "permission" to use PP models in Vassal. They have to control their IP very carefully and giving permission is different than being aware the module exists without crushing it with lawyers.

[Hobo]

We've been in contact with PP legal, or more accurately they've been in contact with us and they have officially recognized the vassal module. All of PP's trademark properties are used with permission. As such they approve art assests before they can be added to the module.

Not all of the units have unique art for leaders, however the next release will see a chevron overlay to designate this.

[Ger]

You do some great work with these sprites.

[PUFNSTUF]

When you start up vassal and select the wm module it says trademark of PP next to it, so hobo is obviously working with PP on the module and not infringing on anything

[loftybloke]

As such they approve art assests before they can be added to the module.

I look forward to the go ahead on these sprites, I've been learning the game with Stryker, and painting Retribution O_o

[possiblyarowbot]

PLEEEEASE PP. Get your lawyers to work faster!!!!

[possiblyarowbot]

We've been in contact with PP legal, or more accurately they've been in contact with us and they have officially recognized the vassal module. All of PP's trademark properties are used with permission. As such they approve art assests before they can be added to the module.

Not all of the units have unique art for leaders, however the next release will see a chevron overlay to designate this.


I dont suppose you would send the sprites to a brotha sos he can practice for resurgence?

[Jayz]

Looking forward to this module hitting the streets :) Then I can start learning to play with a army that's actually the one I will be playing in real life.

Keep us posted hobo! and thank you very much for putting in the time and effort to realize this project!

Cheers CJ

[loftybloke]

Looking forward to this module hitting the streets :) Then I can start learning to play with a army that's actually the one I will be playing in real life....

and thank you very much for putting in the time and effort to realize this project!

I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above. Very much looking forward to the Ret guys being available to practice with, as well as being very grateful for the work you have put in. Especially as Vassal is my only way to play WM at the momnet
Thanks dude

also - hai CJ ^_^

[Jayz]

heheh hey steve

[AJ the Ronin]

I hope this goes live this week.

:)

[Jayz]

How are things coming allong hobo?

took a decent look at the spites today they are looking even better then I could have imagined!

Cheers CJ

[loftybloke]

heheh hey steve

<<<<< Not Steve 0_o

[godchyld76]

Any update on the progress of this?

[i_like_tool]

Bumpity bump bump......


Can't wait to see Ret on Vassal(and start them up)

[loftybloke]

Bumping for justice

[Jayz]

Bumping because I like Bumping ! :P

[AJ the Ronin]

Is there a way to install the sprites locally?

[KainMalice]

I require Retribution Models on Vassal. Rawr.....

[loftybloke]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/8/mariobump.jpg

[Irishrover]

Any word on this? I am stuck in a part of the world were getting models is quite difficult (I can only order stuff in a little at a time do to shipping costs) so being able to play online really helps me to pick out what to buy. I can't wait for this update as I am thinking of getting into RoS but I want to try them first.

[possiblyarowbot]

Is there a way to install the sprites locally?

Yes, but it involves mad photoshop skills and a bit of copying and pasting.

[AJ the Ronin]

The photoshop is easy. How I add them to Vassal?

[possiblyarowbot]

RIght click the module and choose edit.

[Irishrover]

Bump
Hey Hobo any ETA on the update?

[AJ the Ronin]

I think is not in Hobo's hand anymore. Now is up to PP Legal.

[loftybloke]

But surely hobo is the one dealing with PP so that he can implement this to Vassal? :s

Either way, updates would be hawt ^_^

[Irishrover]

No word on it yet?

[Irishrover]

Still no new word on this?

[Cowzrnomatoh]

I was looking at a thread on Penny-arcade and they were talking about a couple of battles they had on Vassel and one of the guys was playing Ret. I'd look there.

[loftybloke]

Proxies :)

[MenothJohn]

Bumping for Great Justice...and for Hobo. Come in....HOBO!

[loftybloke]

Is this project still going? I'm a little worried that maybe PP haven't given the go ahead for the new sprites etc.
How's it going Hobo?

[KainMalice]

Don't make me get Ed in here.......

[AJ the Ronin]

Lets keep this on the first page.

[MenothJohn]

Somebody put out the bat signal for PP Legal....

Oh...and let great justice lead the bump.


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[isawatsuke]

bump :) As i understand it the templates are already done ? (or whatever you call it for vassal) and were only waiting for the official go-ahead from privateer press to use it?

[SnakeEyes]

Lawyers frackin' suck.

[isawatsuke]

just a question tho. did they allow the previous templates or whatever thier called to be used on vassal? or is retribution the first time anyone has asked them wheter they allow a template to be used or not?

If its the first time i understand why theyre taking a long time as this is a big decision and will further differentiate them in the eyes of players from gw ( i love the comparison gw shuts down vassal to players sadness pp supports fans and vassal). If however they gave the ok for previous templates then ..... BUUUUMMMPPP :D

[Lighten]

The Vassal module got approved back in Decemberish. I think this is the first time they've approved additional art... but taking months seems rather silly for looking at some images of Ret models for approval. I don't suppose there's anyone we could email/PM about it? I'll pretend I'm PP's lawyer for 20 minutes and approve it. I won't even charge PP for my time :)

[isawatsuke]

if this is the first time then thier looking at different things such as how they stand in the whole protecting thier ip vs providing a better game for fans issue so i understand if it takes long and wouldnt be surprised if it takes longer.

If its the first time to approve new stuff then i would understand it too. They are deciding wheter they want new releases to be released at the same or almost the same time for vassal as it is for real life. Its a big decision and id expect theyd want vassal to realease it a lot later. If im doing my math right most of the models now playable on vassal have been released for at least 7-8 months.

[James Harrison]

From a new Players point of view I am eager to play and collect Warmachine and have started doing just that - The idea od being able to play a game on Vassal would keep my enthusiam for the game rather than deminisheing it as I could play sooner rather than later. I may currently get bored of collecting as I seem to be months away from a place where I can play an army of my own models...

But if people are looking at it in the office I expect it will be given the go ahead at the corret time... I think what people are worried about here is that people in the PP office are not looking at this and considering weather to give it the go ahead or not - because if that is the case waiting woulden't acheve anything. But I prefer to think that isn't the case

PS sorry for the spelling, I'm stricken with dyspraxia!

[MenothJohn]

From a new Players point of view I am eager to play and collect Warmachine and have started doing just that - The idea od being able to play a game on Vassal would keep my enthusiam for the game rather than deminisheing it as I could play sooner rather than later. I may currently get bored of collecting as I seem to be months away from a place where I can play an army of my own models...

But if people are looking at it in the office I expect it will be given the go ahead at the corret time... I think what people are worried about here is that people in the PP office are not looking at this and considering weather to give it the go ahead or not - because if that is the case waiting woulden't acheve anything. But I prefer to think that isn't the case

PS sorry for the spelling, I'm stricken with dyspraxia!

so...in a word....BUMP!!!!!!!

[KainMalice]

Maybe I should say something completely offensive. That would really get those big egg-head PG dudes up in here to take a look. They could be all like "You are Banned KainMalice!!!" and "Oh, we need to get PP involved with this thread". I'm willing to take the shot to get the models in the game.

[MenothJohn]

Maybe I should say something completely offensive. That would really get those big egg-head PG dudes up in here to take a look. They could be all like "You are Banned KainMalice!!!" and "Oh, we need to get PP involved with this thread". I'm willing to take the shot to get the models in the game.

lemme see...yup...I DO have a big egg head!!! Nice!

Seriously guys...I have bumped this thread probably more than any other single user, and I think I get it. PP is Competely rewriting one whole game, releasing 10 books with pretty much all new art and fluff, keeping up with MonPoc releases, putting out Voltron, reinventing the Iron Kingdoms RPG with a completely new proprietary system, and staying on track promoting the game by going here and there to cons.

(they might be a touch busy. They have always been pretty good to us a a community. I am going up to the invitational in a couple months and if they haven't ok'd them by then, I will do the mature thing and ask them nicely and express our interest to get them out there. Vassal is a nice tool for testing theory machine...especially if you have a life that doesn't allow you all the gaming time in the world.)

[KainMalice]

(they might be a touch busy. They have always been pretty good to us a a community. I am going up to the invitational in a couple months and if they haven't ok'd them by then, I will do the mature thing and ask them nicely and express our interest to get them out there. Vassal is a nice tool for testing theory machine...especially if you have a life that doesn't allow you all the gaming time in the world.)

While I do agree with you on this, I have, on many occasions, seen companies, as big and as awesome as P.Press go from being like, my most favorite "can do no wrong" company, and make one call, and pretty much screw up my entire image of them. Thing is, they are basically "starting over" with this whole MK2 thing, and for all we know, they could simply decide that Vassal is an infringement on their sales/game, and cut all of it off. Just doesn't sit well with me...

[MenothJohn]

Thing is, they are basically "starting over" with this whole MK2 thing, and for all we know, they could simply decide that Vassal is an infringement on their sales/game, and cut all of it off. Just doesn't sit well with me...

I understand your concern about them hitting the off switch on Vassal, but that hasn't been their style to date. At the end of the day however, it's their IP...PP can do as they wish. Given the fact that their response to the CaD from Lone Wolf was fairly tongue in cheek, I think that shows a more tolerant and liberal view of the usage of their IP.

There was a really great podcast done on trademark protection on a recent episode of The D6 Generation. I don't remember the exact number of the episode, but they went into pretty good detail of what the law demands. (One of the podcasters is a lawyer).

Til then, I will continue to proxy my angry elves on Vassal using Crusader models for jacks and premarking their grids.

[Chainblast yer face!]

I downloaded vassal a few days ago and well, how do you play it?
I set up a single player map and placed units but besides that I have no idea what comes next.


Anyone feel like giving a quick explination on playing a game on vassal?

[Cotillion989]

I downloaded vassal a few days ago and well, how do you play it?
I set up a single player map and placed units but besides that I have no idea what comes next.


Anyone feel like giving a quick explination on playing a game on vassal?

Seconded. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.

[isawatsuke]

ask one of the players there to give you a demo. if you see me feel free to ask :)

[MenothJohn]

Seconded. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.

I think you two are experiencing the same thing that happened to me. Its a confusion as to what Vassal is.

Vassal is NOT a video game. Vassal is a virtual table top. All Vassal does is provide you a map, and then icons to represent your models. It has a dice roller, and tape measures for measuring ranges. It has a number of icons for marking focus, or spell effects, etc.

It has spray templates and AOEs that are prescaled.

The point is, you chat with someone to set up a game, start a new game in a new room, and then play, using your cards for the rules.

A cool thing to do is go on vassal, look for a game on line, and then double click on one of the existing rooms. If you right click on one of the players in the room, you will see a context sensitive box pop up and select Syncronize. This will load their current game board to your computer and you can spectate. Its good ettiquet not to disturb the players playing by using the chat in the game, but you are usally free to ask questions after the game is over.

I hope this helps. If you ever get on line, and see MenothJohn, I will be happy to walk you through the game.

[loftybloke]

I wish we could jump start this somehow. I need to practice with my Ret' and I don't get the opportunity for "live" games too often, and proxying would realy confuse the learning process for me.

someone must have some idea how/What Privateer need to do to approve this? Is there any way us regular gamers can help to facilitate this I wonder? I'm happy to lend my support to whatever needs to be done to get an approval for the new sprites and such

Lofty

[Sikil]

No news on this matter yet?

I'd like to practice abit and my usual opponents are going fulltime FoW and 40k to practice for big tournaments on a national 'con soonish... :(

[loftybloke]

i tried a game with proxy Ret' models, and it's surprisingly less confusing than I feared, so give it a go, at least while we wait for news on this :)

[Cotillion989]

so to proxy ret- you just pick another factions models but use your cards? I want to try vassal, but Ret is my only faction.

[loftybloke]

Yeah just turn the artwork right down for the models you are using and change the label. There are plenty of blank grids available too for hacks and such. Make sure to use a caster with the same focus as the one it represents, curl areas are important :)

[loftybloke]

Yeah just turn the artwork right down for the models you are using and change the label. There are plenty of blank grids available too for hacks and such. Make sure to use a caster with the same focus as the one it represents, curl areas are important :)

[AJ the Ronin]

I guess we will proxy 'till kingdom come. :(

[KainMalice]

I guess we will proxy 'till kingdom come.

Hobo told me that if they don't notify him sometime soon, he is just gonna add them into the program without P.Press's acknowledgment. I think he totally should. I mean, if they approved the older models, why do you have to get approval for these models?

[loftybloke]

This sounds like a good idea. As you say, I'm sure taht theere is no real difference between them approving older sprites versus the brand new ones. PP Know that Hobo is not trying to pass off any of the models or anything as his own. If they have any issues they can always ask him to tkae them down/mod them anyway I suppose.

Next time you speak to Hobo, tell him to just go for it :)

[Irishrover]

Any word on this?

[SnakeEyes]

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Especially permission that takes months and months and months to receive. Hobo has acted in good faith. It's time to just do.

[AJ the Ronin]

What's the worst that can happen? PP may ask the people at Vassal to remove the link from their site and make a bannable offence discusion of the mod in the forum.

See it this way, they won't go as far as to filter the word "Vassal" from the forum since there is a model in the line with than name. :p

[1oldjedi]

I just downloaded it, however there's an alternate site that requires a login for the warmachine module that won't register me. Anyone know of alt site I can get the most current module from?

[AJ the Ronin]

This link?
(http://www.mediafire.com/?mklgmktonqj)

[loftybloke]

Has Hobo had any joy from PP, or decided to add the sprites anyway I wonder?

Although I'm kind of used to proxying now...

[AJ the Ronin]

Any news on this?

[Hobo]

Hey guys, sorry for not stopping by sooner.

The latest version of the Warmachine & Hordes module is finished and contains all of the models up to and including the latest previews (War Hog at the time writing this) so, yes, Retribution sprites are ready to go. However, and this is a big however, I can't release the final version of the module until I get word from Privateer Press telling me that I can do so. Until such time I urge you to be patient and make do with proxies until then.

Thanks

[AJ the Ronin]

Well, no Retribution then. :(

I'm sure at the time GWS made the people at vassal40k shut down the 40k vassal module site PP backed up the WM module because, honestly, it made them look good.

Now the only thing they need to do is not approve any new module. They know they can't stop the original module from being distributed and from people using it but they can halt furthers updates (as they seem to have done).

Looking forward to the anonymous updates when they show up (like the Tyranid/Space Wolf update for 40k).

[Mosk]

PP would be smart to allow the update. It is not making it so that people are not buying. Hell it made me buy my Mercs, and now I am dropping money for my Retribution. 2 armies I have purchased all because I played them on Vassal. My brother also has Skorne now because of vassal, and is wanting to increase his Menoth army.

PP don't be like GW. I all my GW stuff and came over to PP because of the way you treat your fans. Your magazine focuses on EVERYTHING from scenery to every game your produce. GW sucks, every mag basically is on 40k, and thats it, sure they have a little bit of their other 2 games every once in a blue moon, but usually its on 40k

PP just over all rocks. Please do not become like GW, please.

Sorry just ranting all, but seriously, I bought my Ret and Searforge purely because of Vassal. I wanted to play the figs in real life.

[hooksy67]

I pesonally dont play retribution but i do play on vassal

And I would be one of the first to sign a thread asking PP to please let the newest models be included in the fun as most on there just use it as a way to plan further real life purchases

[Grim_Smasha]

Being a new player to the game, and to Retribution, I find Vassal to be an ultimately valuable tool for learning the game. Further more, it has prompted me to buy several Retribution figures already because of the practice that I've been getting. As our experience grows so will our armies in real life. I find that some things work differently than expected every game and I'm constantly looking for ways to improve upon my general noobness :D This leads to the purchase of new models, painting supplies, and Army books. When I get my face smashed in by a eHaley list that I was completely ignorant of I say "hmm, I really need to read that book so this doesn't happen again. :D" And I go out and buy it. Help a gamer fan out, please let us have the sprites/updates for Vassal :D

Oh, P.S.

Good work on the sprites, Hobo :D They look great!

[AJ the Ronin]

I started a thread requesting politely for a green light to the new module.

Feel free to let your voice in the matter known:

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?23904-Privateer-Press-please-have-mercy...

[vechloran]

Vassal 4.0 is out, grab it here. (http://www.mediafire.com/?djm4r0ymnwy)