Terminus, Man Eater Cryx Epic Warcaster

[Mada]

Terminus, Man Eater
Cryx Epic Warcaster
Terminus
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD FOC
7 7 7 6 15 18 10 7
FA: C
Warjack Points: +5
Base Size: Large Base
Damage: 20

Feat: morph of wings call
All friendly (bane) models gain flight.
morph of wings call lasts for one turn.

Terminus
Abomination
Undead

Flight - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions and other
models if it has enough movement to move completely past them. This model ignores intervening models when declaring its
charge target.

Blood is Strength - When a non-warjack, non-incorporeal, non-warcaster, model is damaged, within 3” of this model, for each damage point that model suffered this model gains that amount in STR.
This models STR goes back to the amount stated on its stat card each time this model attacks. This model cannot gain more then up to +3 STR with Blood is Strength on each attack.

Shadow of Darkness - While in this model!s command range, friendly undead Faction models gain stealth ICON.

WEAPONS [Terminus]
Dragon Fire [1x] (None) RNG:12 ROF: 1 AOE: 5 POW: 14
Continuous Effect: fire
Damage Type: fire

Two Handed Doomsayer [1x] (none) POW: 9 P+S: 16
Magical Weapon
Reach

Thresher (__Attack) - This model makes one melee attack with this weapon against each model in its LOS and this weapon!s
melee range.

SPELLS Cost RNG AOE POW UP OFF

Jack bomb [slayer] 4 8” 5 18 No No
Center a 5” AOE on Target warjack slayer, target warjack slayer is removed from play. models in the a AOE suffer a POW 18 damage roll.

Call of the dead 2 10” - - yes yes
If one or more living models of target model/unit is killed by Terminus, Man Eater model/models that are killed, are not removed from play but instead are now under Terminus, Man Eater’s controlling player’s control with one health bar left. Models that become under Terminus, Man Eater’s controlling player’s control stay under his or her control (and act as friendly undead models to Terminus, Man Eater’s controlling player) until they are destroyed or Terminus, Man Eater’s controlling player does not up keep the spell on xxx model/unit

Blood of silver 3 8” - - yes No

Target undead model/unit gains 1 heath bar & 1+ DEF while Blood of silver is cast on model/unit .

Close Companion’s 2 5” - - yes No
Warjacks, while within 5” of Terminus, Man Eater gain +1 DEF & MAT.



Terminus's Damage: !""""!""""!""""!"""" Playtest

[Beowulf99]

This guy is a monster. Let's see if we can hem him a bit. suggestions will be in Bold.


Terminus, Man Eater
Cryx Epic Warcaster
Terminus
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD FOC
6 7 7 6 13 18 10 7
FA: C
Warjack Points: +3
Base Size: Large Base
Damage: 20

Feat: morph of wings call Suggest re-naming the feat.
Friendly Bane models beginning their activations within Terminus' control range gain Flight. Morph of Wings Call lasts for one round.

Terminus
Abomination
Undead

Flight - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions and other models if it has enough movement to move completely past them. This model ignores intervening models when declaring its
charge target.

Blood is Strength - When a Living, non-warcaster model is damaged within 3? of this model, Terminus gains +1 STR for each damage inflicted, to a maximum of +3 STR. When this model makes a melee attack, after the attack is resolved, this model's Strength is reverted to normal, then reapply Blood is Strength. (I would suggest just leaving the bonus on Terminus after he gains it.)

Shadow of Darkness - While in this model!s command range, friendly undead Faction models gain stealth ICON.

WEAPONS [Terminus]
Dragon Fire [1x] (None) RNG:12 ROF: 1 AOE: 5 POW: 14
Continuous Effect: fire
Damage Type: fire

Two Handed Doomsayer [1x] (none) POW: 9 P+S: 16
Magical Weapon
Reach

Thresher (__Attack) - This model makes one melee attack with this weapon against each model in its LOS and this weapon!s
melee range.

SPELLS Cost RNG AOE POW UP OFF

Jack bomb [slayer] 4 8? 5 18 No No
Center a 5? AOE on Target warjack slayer, target warjack slayer is removed from play. models in the a AOE suffer a POW 18 damage roll. (I wouldn't recommend this for heavy use. I doubt you'll really do enough damage to most enemies to justify the 6 pt Slayer every shot. Perhaps change it to an effect that triggers on the death of the jack? Maybe an upkeep that creates a POW 14 or so damage roll to anything within the AOE once this model dies?)

Call of the dead 2 10? - - yes yes
If one or more living models of target model/unit is killed by Terminus, Man Eater model/models that are killed, are not removed from play but instead are now under Terminus, Man Eater?s controlling player?s control with one health bar left. Models that become under Terminus, Man Eater?s controlling player?s control stay under his or her control (and act as friendly undead models to Terminus, Man Eater?s controlling player) until they are destroyed or Terminus, Man Eater?s controlling player does not up keep the spell on xxx model/unit.
I would suggest clarifying this spell considerably. Adding in "Terminus, Man Eater" is very confusing. Also, requiring that the models be killed by Terminus is very risky. A savvy player will know what you intend to do and set up accordingly to make you pay once you make your move with Terminus. Perhaps change this spell to mimic Hexeris Dark Dominion feat? Basically, a Living model in this unit would become Undead, make a 3" advance and 1 normal melee attack before being boxed.

Blood of silver 3 8? - - yes No
Target undead model/unit gains 1 heath bar & 1+ DEF while Blood of silver is cast on model/unit.
Adding a Health box in this game is very difficult to do, as cards are set up with health boxes included. Perhaps change the effect to "Target Friendly Faction Model/Unit gains Tough and +1 Def."

Close Companions 2 * - - yes No
While within Terminus' Command Range friendly Faction Warjacks gain +1 Def and MAT.



Terminus's Damage: !""""!""""!""""!"""" Playtest

There is a lot more work to be done here, but the basis of a good eTerminus is there. I'd suggest reducing his speed to 6 or maybe even back to 5 which afaik is Terminus regular spd. Any faster for a Large base Flying creature is absurd. I also reduced his DEF to 13.

Lot's of changes to his Feat and Blood is Strength.

His weapons are fine, and could even use a little boost as he lost his Claw attack.

His spells are in the worst shape from what I can tell. He's missing a true damage spell, and Jack Bomb is ludicrously expensive, as you have to pay 6 pts to use it Once. Call of the Dead is a mess, needs a lot of clarification, and could use some changing to make it a truly Terminus worthy spell. Close Companions doesn't sound like something Terminus would use either. Nor Blood of Silver. Perhaps instead of creating spells, you could go through some other Factions and find some spells he could make good use of that already exist in game?

[iknowinternet]

Ditto on pretty much every one of Beowulf's suggestions, but even then, I think he is still too broken.

Shadow of Darkness, for instance, is (in Cryx) essentially the entire FEAT of Kaelyssa (Ret caster) every turn at zero expenditure. It also gets rid of one of the few ways to viably deal with a traditional Terminus army.

The feat is close to OK, but keep in mind that PP has all but confirmed (through the eratta of eGaspy's feat) that there will be Bane Cavalry. Bane Cavalry with Man Eater's feat would just bring back the similar stupid problems the eratta was intended to deal with. Also, why banes? Goreshade is typically the one associated with those, and Terminus is kind of the rank-and-file dead dude guy.

On a model with Thresher, Call of the Dead is broken (even in its currently convoluted form), especially at 2 FOC. It gets to be feat-level silly, and is inarguably better than eSeverius' feat. Consider just using an existing spell in its place. Since I am not terribly familiar with the Cryx spell list, I might suggest Dark Seduction (eDenny?) or Death Rager (I think that is what it's called).

The issue of adding health boxes, as Beowulf said, is tricky, because it has never been done in WM. It's one of the few stats that cannot be altered.

This guy is also throwing out entirely too many high POW AOE 5s. Even though I can never see sacrificing a Slayer (a 6 point model, plus 4 FOC) for Jack Bomb, the fact that that option exists and is LOADS more powerful than the Berzerker's burst... it's problematic. Also, his ranged attack is puzzlingly devastating and long ranged, especially now that he is RAT 6 (???).

FOC 7 seems a touch high. FOC 6 would help balance him, provided his spell list was properly altered.

SPD DEFINITELY needs to be 6 or lower. 7 is just silly on a Large based winged model. DEF should also be reduced, as Beowulf said.

Overall, I feel like this is one of those models that (even though he is full of wonky rules) makes me look at him and wonder "why would I even take an army with this guy?" He's a bit scatterbrained, not really sure whether he wants to offer support or just wade in and mow the enemy down all by his lonesome.
With a good bit of work, though, I think you could be on to something.

[Jaren]

Linked to the Locator (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?39532-The-Homebrew-Locator-Thread-Link-your-Hombrew-ideas-here!).

[Mada]

ya I was thinking most of the same things you guys were, just wanted to put it up to see what I was gonna have to change. I will re-post it once I have edited it. Thanks for the replies!

[Mada]

UPDATE -

Terminus, Man Eater
Cryx Epic Warcaster
Terminus
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD FOC
6 7 7 6 14 18 10 7
FA: C
Warjack Points: +4
Base Size: Large Base
Damage: 20
Feat: Flight Call -
Friendly Bane models beginning their activations within Terminus' control range gain Flight. Flight Call lasts for one round.

Terminus
Abomination
Undead

Flight - This model can advance through terrain and obstacles without penalty and can advance through obstructions and other
models if it has enough movement to move completely past them. This model ignores intervening models when declaring its
charge target.

Blood is Strength - When a Living, non-warcaster model is damaged within 3” of this model, Terminus gains +1 STR for each damage inflicted, to a maximum of +3 STR.
If this model becomes stationary this model's Strength is reverted to normal, then reapply Blood is Strength.

Come to me my Prey – At the start of each of Terminus’s activations Terminus may spend one focus point to use -Come to me my Prey- If he does, target a model within his control area, target model must advance 3” directly toward this model.
If target model comes in contact with another model, obstacle or
Obstruction before target model is able to complete the movement target model stops.

WEAPONS [Terminus]
Dragon Fire [1x] (None) RNG:12 ROF: 1 AOE: 5 POW: 14
Continuous Effect: fire
Damage Type: fire

Two Handed Doomsayer [1x] (none) POW: 9 P+S: 16
Magical Weapon
Reach

Thresher (__Attack) - This model makes one melee attack with this weapon against each model in its LOS and this weapon!s
melee range.

SPELLS Cost RNG AOE POW UP OFF

Jack bomb [slayer] 4 8” 5 18 No No
Center a 5” AOE on Target warjack slayer, target warjack slayer is removed from play. models in the a AOE suffer a POW 18 damage roll.

Revenge Charge 2 control - - yes no
If target war jack in this models control rang is removed from play during your opponents turn, one model in this models control range (including this model) may charge a model that was in melee range with target war-jack that was destroyed, followed by one normal melee attack.


Blood of silver 3 8” - - yes No

Target undead model/unit gains Tough and +1 Def.

Self love 2 self - - no No
Terminus, Man Eater, gains +1 SPD DEF ARM & MAT,
for one round.

Shadow of Darkness 3 8” - - yes No
While friendly undead Faction models are within 6’” of this model, they gain stealth ICON.




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[lordofnecropolis]

I think that shadow of darkness spell on the update should prolly be a lasts one round, non-upkeep.