Blindwater v. Cryx

[Watchtower]

So, we have a few Cryx players in my group, and I have a game against one especially arrogant powergamer this weekend. He is a good player and wins a lot (of course, he plays Cryx) though I have beat him a couple times with my Ret. But this week he has been talking a bunch of jive, so I wanted to take him down with Blindwater. Which caster/army list would work will against Cryx?

I was thinking;
Bloody Barnabas6
Bull Snapper3
Blackhide Wrastler9
Ironback Spitter8
Gatormen Posse (Leader and 4 Grunts)9
Totem Hunter3
Wrong Eye & Snapjaw9

He usually takes eGaspy/Denny. This is the last list he took (tabled poor Ashlynn)
Lich Lord Asphyxious6
Deathjack12
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts)8
Bane Thrall Officer & Standard3
Bile Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts)5
The Withershadow Combine5
Bane Lord Tartarus4
Darragh Wrathe4

[GlassJaw]

I would take 2 Wrastlers and 2 full Gators Posses. You are going to have to sacrifice some stuff to slow him down. Use swamp pits to slow his charges down, especially on eGaspy's feat turn. Keep Iron Flesh and Dirge of Mists up at all times on your spearhead Gators.

You are going to have a tough time cracking the DJ. Try to use swamp pits to setup throws/slams to knock it down or push it onto a swamp and then pop feat.

A Thrullg wouldn't be bad either, especially against pDenny. A feralgeist is also nice as a target for two-handed throws.

[TinRobot]

Cryx imo is one of our harder match ups, 1 theyre a really strong faction to start off with but 2nd we lose a lot of our bonuses since they rarely run living models...also the debuffs are a sad day.

Your list would improve with more gatormen, against eGaspy your gonna wanna block charge lanes due to gaspy's feat and wrong eye and snap jaw wont provide that much cover in the end. Also in my experience its really easy for cryx to snipe a model like wrongeye. Also with Barnabas I would recommend a thrullg...his ability to disrupt jacks and remove enemy upkeeps is crucial to Barnbas. If you have the possibility of fighting Denegra then thrullg is auto-include! smack a friendly model with thrullg and get rid of crippling grasp.

Best of luck with your game and let us know how you did!

[thag-rush]

I have had great luck with Calaban vs. Cryx.

Parasite makes Cryx jacks very crushable via GMP, Hex blast is a great boon verses their spell slinging ways, bone shaker is a great distance RFP tool for stopping things from "coming back", and his feat turn is absolutely brutal verses infantry heavy forces. Occultation keeps him fairly safe from spell assassinations as well.

Infact, our local cryx player hates playing my Calaban force because he thinks we out-cryx cryx.

Their undeadness counters alot of our strengths so you need to think outside the box with the, and that's what Calaban does best.

[Watchtower]

I will have to give Callie a shot then. What list would you say?



Use swamp pits to slow his charges down, especially on eGaspy's feat turn.


Wouldn't they not matter due to incorporeal?

[thag-rush]

I don't run a standard list, so you may not want to go by mine. I like having an ADing spitter so I stick one in WE's BG.

Calaban
-Wrastler
-Snapper
-Snapper
Full GMP
Min Bonegrinders
WE + SJ
-Spitter

I like that list alot and have ran it very successfully, but others may have differing opinions.

[Hooch]

That's the exact set up I use for Calaban. Love that AD Spitter!

[GlassJaw]

Wouldn't they not matter due to incorporeal?

Indeed. I forgot that while writing in haste. You still want to keep Iron Flesh and DoM on your Gators to boost their DEF though. The swamp pits will also slow their initial charge as well.

[Watchtower]

Indeed. I forgot that while writing in haste. You still want to keep Iron Flesh and DoM on your Gators to boost their DEF though. The swamp pits will also slow their initial charge as well.

Its ok. It is easy to forget all the rules that Cryx breaks/ignores :D

[BigK42]

I would say that a Thrullg is a must to eat debuffs off your stuff. Cryx tends to be fairly weak to heavies, so I would take a pair of wrastlers. Yes, banes of all types like to munch on heavies. You're going to have to absorb the charge with your posse, then start flinging wrastlers over the top to reach the caster. I would try to avoid his army as much as possible and go for the assassination.

[Watchtower]

Best of luck with your game and let us know how you did!

Got smoked :( I moved up too far turn 2 and he killed a bunch of his own guys and feated. Wouldn't give me a rematch. I hate Cryx :(

Think I'm going to go lie down...

[ozmo]

That stinks,
Biling his own stuff for the win is definitely an extremely powerful tactic you have to watch out for.

Sounds like his list is optimized to make use a ton of above power curve stuff available to cryx.

[PhilEPhil]

So, we have a few Cryx players in my group, and I have a game against one especially arrogant powergamer this weekend. He is a good player and wins a lot (of course, he plays Cryx) though I have beat him a couple times with my Ret. But this week he has been talking a bunch of jive, so I wanted to take him down with Blindwater.


Got smoked :( I moved up too far turn 2 and he killed a bunch of his own guys and feated. Wouldn't give me a rematch. I hate Cryx :(

Think I'm going to go lie down...

It's often annoying when you lose. Ten times worse when you lose to a player you dislike or a faction that you personally believe is too strong. It makes it even worse when he refuses a rematch and 'Takes his ball and goes home'. I think we've all been there at least once. One of the annoying pitfalls of playing a game against a crybaby.

With that said... maybe making general slights about Cryx, or obvious insults to a single specific player, is not so much in accordance with Page 5 or befitting a PG. though from what you say it sounds like you have a legitimate gripe with the player (though not insulting the faction). There's nothing wrong with powergaming but if someone is being an arrogant jerk or talking jive SO badly that it annoys the local PG then perhaps you, or the shop owner, or someone else should sit down with him in a non confrontational manner and discuss his attitude. If that doesn't work a few pewter heavies in an empty sock can make an attitude adjust REAL fast.

Rather then focusing on the negative let's get you prepared to kick his butt next time. You mentioned you made a mistake, what else happened? Can you make sure you avoid the mistake next time thus impacting the outcome? Were any models ineffective that can be played differently or swapped out for better pieces? What list did he use exactly?

Gators are quite effective when you're headache subsides let's strategize on how to make the experience better next time. Though to be honest, I would not play a powergaming arrogant jive talking jerk who is also a cowardly crybaby again... (which is no more fairly blamed on the whole Cryx faction then the fact that I have the same personality type in my group using Gators lists as his crutch). Maybe you're best off just avoiding dealing with him at all unless PG Duties or random tournament pairings require it.

[Watchtower]

He lives quite far away, so I don't see him often. We played this last game through Vassal. He is not a bad guy, just a very competitive player (which I am fine with). I never really insulted him, you guys kinda did that for me, ha. He is arrogant, but has a right to be, as he is really an excellent player. The only slight I would make about Cryx is that they are very strong (which I don't really see as a slight) and that Cryx players tend to be very defensive about their faction (which you may have just shown ;) ). The faction is my nemesis, ha. That said, I have encouraged several players to collect Cryx as a PG, and will continue to do so (usually fiendishly evil players ;) )

The first turn he advanced, I advanced Calaban about 5". He then said "gg" to me and a cold chill ran up my spine ;) His Bile Thralls purged all over everything and then his deathjack killed a bunch of his own guys. He managed to get Gaspy way up with charging, Darrigh, etc. Only Tartarus and the bane officer managed to get to Calaban (I had him bloccked fairly well with the spitter) but I was only sitting on one fury, so it was curtains for me.

Pretty rough.

[Noble Seven]

Gaspy may be a little easier to handle now due to the errata. It will allow for more variation in positioning knowing that an undead strike force won't be dropkicking your warlock.

For me, Terminus is the most annoying thing I've dealt with playing against Cryx with my gators. Lots of crocs' mean lots of souls and its often hard to cave in Big T's armor with our limited toolbox.