New Farrow Player

[Vidoter]

Hello everybody!
I was thinking about getting into Warmachine & Hordes however I don't really know what I should buy at the beginning. I really love Pigs' models but since there is no starter box for them I'd like more experienced players to help me with choice of models. I want something around 15 points, but at the same time I would like to be able to make 11 pts list (my friend is getting CoO starter box, and it is 11 pts). I know I will buy Carver, Arkadius, Gun Boar and War Hog because I simply love these models and I know I will use them anyway. But what should I buy after them? I really don't want to waste money on models I will hardly ever use...

Sorry for my bad English :p

[dboeren]

Early purchases I'd suggest:
One more War Hog
Rorsch & Brine
A full units of Farrow Brigands
A min unit of Bone Grinders

These are all things you'll use regularly, although the BG's more often with Arkadius.

Some of our models are mainly only used with Carver, these include all the non-pig stuff like Gudrun, Alten, Saxon, Pendrake. They are allowed in a Thornfall list (which Carver usually uses) but not in Arkadius's Tier list (which is how he's usually run for the War Hog discount and other perks).

Eventually a third War Hog is no bad thing, I'm thinking of picking up a fourth.

Probably the most controversial models for Farrow are the Razorback weapon crew and the about-to-be-released Slaughterhousers. Weapon crews are generally controversial models for ALL factions in the game by their nature, they are fairly immobile because they cannot move and shoot on the same turn. So, just about all of them are considered "iffy". My advice with any model you're not sure of is to proxy it first before buying, then you can make certain it's what you want. With Razorback's specifically, they'll do better in a Thornfall list (ie - Carver) because they get Advance Deploy which helps them immensely I think.

The Slaughterhousers are new and untested. A lot of the time new stuff generates a commotion as people all had different ideas in their mind what the new models would do and then they turn out to do something else. If you're brand new I'd wait a bit and see how things shake out once people have had a chance to run them and report back. Get the known staple stuff first. I doubt they'll turn out to be bad, and to be honest most pig players will probably pick up one unit anyway just because we don't have a lot of stuff yet, the main argument is that they may be slightly overcosted - being closer to 5 points than the 6 they actually cost. I think a key part if the issue is that most of us had anticipated them having more than one melee attack in some fashion and they turned out not to have this which significantly changes the roles they're well suited for.

I hope that all makes sense, let me know if it doesn't and I'll try to break it down for you being a non-English speaker :)

Now, for starting lists... Pretty much any warlock needs at least two warbeasts at any size game or else they will not have a sufficient source for their Fury. We only have two beasts to choose from so far (this will improve around October or so), so it's either Gunboars or War Hogs.

One example of a Carver 15 point list might look like this:
Carver
War Hog
Gun Boar
10xBrigands

A 15 point Arkadius list would probably be something like this:
Arkadius
War Hog
War Hog
War Hog

Alternately you could go with just two War Hogs, a min unit of Bone Grinders, and a min unit of Brigands.

For 11 points it's tougher because there isn't much to trim. I think my preference would be for this:

Arkadius
War Hog
War Hog
6xBone Grinders

[Evil ColSanders]

What does a 35pt list look like?

6x War Hog
Brigands
Grinders
?

[dboeren]

The reason you see small lists being so beast-heavy is that the warlock still has to get their full amount of Fury. Once that need is satisfied you'll probably branch out to other models.

Here are a couple of 35 point lists I like:

Carver
2xWar Hog
Gun Boar
Gudrun
10xBrigands
10xBrigands

Arkadius
3xWar Hog
Rorsch & Brine
10xBrigands
6xBone Grinders

Arkadius usually runs a little more beast heavy than Carver since he has a higher Fury rating and gets a discount on War Hogs in his Tier list.

[GRYM]

All,

I agree with Dboeren on those lists, the Arkadius lists are what I've run thus far as well with decent success seeing as I've only played 15 games of Hordes (11 with the Farrow and the other 3 with Circle and one with Skorne which was a demo from the local PGr), only recently got Carver.

[Devilsquid]

Welcome to the Pig Side!


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[Vidoter]

Thanks for all the answers :)
I will probably buy Carver, Arkadius, both beasts and either 2 boxes of Brigands (to use them as 2 min units or as 1 max) or 1 box and 2 blisters (1 max unit). After that I will just proxy rest of models since I've got cards for them from my brother's Skorne deck (brigands, BG, R&B). I made a promise to myself not to buy new models for my army until I paint all that I already have. I hope I'll keep that promise :P
Two questions:
1. Can brigands Dig In and use their prayers in the same turn?
2. Let's say brigands start their turn Dug In. Can they shoot, move, and Dug In again?

[dboeren]

1. Yes, they can. The prayer is not an Action so it does not conflict with Dig In.

2. Only if you choose Hog Wild for your prayer.