New to Menoth

[MrRuffles]

I got into the game about 4 years ago and picked Cryx as my army to play. As more Hordes stuff came out I started playing Skorne. When MKII was announced I stopped playing Warmachine altogether, got rid of the Cryx and just played Hordes.

So now with MKII out I have picked Menoth as my WM army. My cuz is letting me bum what he has for Menoth until I get rolling on picking figs up. So where do I go from here? Any suggestions on what are the casters, units, jacks, and solos to start with? Any lists at 35 or 50 that I should be using?

What I have to use for figs atm.
High Exemplar Kreoss
Feora, Priestess of the Flame (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/feora-priestess-of-the-flame-classic)
Harbinger of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/harbinger-of-menoth)
High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/high-allegiant-amon-ad-raza)
The High Reclaimer (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/the-high-reclaimer)
Crusader
Repenter (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/repenter)
Revenger (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/revenger) x2
Vanquisher
Devout (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/devout) x2
Choir unit of 6
Temple Flameguard (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/temple-flameguard) unit of 8
Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard Bearer (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/temple-flameguard-officer-standard-bearer)
Knights Exemplar Unit (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/knights-exemplar-unit) unit of 6
Flameguard Cleansers unit of 6
Exemplar Venger (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/exemplar-venger) unit of 5
Exemplar Errants (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/exemplar-errants) unit of 6
Paladin of the Order of the Wall (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/paladin-of-the-order-of-the-wall) x2
Wrack (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/the-wrack) x3
Exemplar Seneschal (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/exemplar-seneschal) x2
High Paladin Vilmon (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/high-paladin-vilmon)
Reclaimer (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/reclaimer)


Things I would like to get sooner then later.
Covenant of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/covenant-of-menoth)
Vassal of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/solos/vassal-of-menoth)
Exemplar Bastions (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/units/exemplar-bastions)
Redeemer (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/redeemer)
Avatar of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/avatar-of-menoth)
Fire of Salvation (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warjacks/fire-of-salvation)
High Executioner Reznik (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/high-executioner-reznik)
Hierophant (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/hierophant)

[Lanz]

I'm sure I speak for most people here when I say that I could probably throw down 20 different lists based on what you have available.

Do you have any idea what kind of army you want to play? What your favorite warcaster, or 'jack, or playstyle is?

[gold_penguin]

well for a start you are going to need 2 more TFG, but I'm sure you knew that :D

Probably to start off I'd go with Kreoss, as he's a good caster to learn the ropes with (forgiving, and follows the themes of the faction in general).

Apart from that, I agree with Lanz. Need more info

[MrRuffles]

Well I always like beatstick type armies. Something to throw in your opponents face and watch them try to deal with it. And as a former Cryx player I loved spell assassination.

From what I have been looking at on the MKII stats pdf I am am liking theses casters the most:
Kreoss (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/grand-exemplar-kreoss)
Harbinger of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/harbinger-of-menoth)
High Executioner Reznik (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/high-executioner-reznik)
Feora (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/feora-protector-of-the-flame)

pKreoss seems pretty simple to play, but is he only a one trick pony? Drop and pop? I like the all Exempler army that it seems eKreoss will be thorwing out there.

Harbinger, Reznik, and Feora all seem like beats sticks to me. Have your jack support, but get your caster in for the kill. Are these guys more balanced with jacks or units to backing them up?

Severius seems like he would be fun, with his powers to take over other models and use them as yours. Is he more spell assassination?

[darisus]

Well I always like beatstick type armies. Something to throw in your opponents face and watch them try to deal with it. And as a former Cryx player I loved spell assassination.

From what I have been looking at on the MKII stats pdf I am am liking theses casters the most:
Kreoss (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/grand-exemplar-kreoss)
Harbinger of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/harbinger-of-menoth)
High Executioner Reznik (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/high-executioner-reznik)
Feora (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/feora-protector-of-the-flame)

pKreoss seems pretty simple to play, but is he only a one trick pony? Drop and pop? I like the all Exempler army that it seems eKreoss will be thorwing out there.

Harbinger, Reznik, and Feora all seem like beats sticks to me. Have your jack support, but get your caster in for the kill. Are these guys more balanced with jacks or units to backing them up?

Severius seems like he would be fun, with his powers to take over other models and use them as yours. Is he more spell assassination?

Did you just refer to Harby as a beatstick caster.....!!!???

[notsoevil]

Did you just refer to Harby as a beatstick caster.....!!!???

Yes, he obviously did, it's right in his post. Care to explain your non-helpful post and participate?

What darisus meant to say is that the Harbinger is definitely not considered a beatstick caster. What makes you think that she is though? That could help explain, but for most, she's not a caster you want to take into Melee, that's for sure. I'd consider her more of a "support the army at being beatsticks" type of caster.

Make sure you check out Amon for some good pure smashing fun.

[Oilslick]

The Harbinger is far from a beakstick but I think she'll kill most casters and warlocks that she gets in B2B with her ability to throw out two boosted POW twenties, or a great deal of autohitting pow 12's. If she camps focus she's a 24 arm after all. I think she has better things to do than be a tank, but if you want her to you could try it.

[der13manner]

Well I always like beatstick type armies. Something to throw in your opponents face and watch them try to deal with it. And as a former Cryx player I loved spell assassination.

From what I have been looking at on the MKII stats pdf I am am liking theses casters the most:
Kreoss (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/grand-exemplar-kreoss)
Harbinger of Menoth (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/harbinger-of-menoth)
High Executioner Reznik (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/high-executioner-reznik)
Feora (http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/the-protectorate-of-menoth/warcasters/feora-protector-of-the-flame)



Give good ole Sevvy1 a good try. His 8 focus and Affinity with Blessing of Vengeance can do mean things. Eye of Menoth is a terrific army buff as well.



pKreoss seems pretty simple to play, but is he only a one trick pony? Drop and pop? I like the all Exempler army that it seems eKreoss will be thorwing out there.

Harbinger, Reznik, and Feora all seem like beats sticks to me. Have your jack support, but get your caster in for the kill. Are these guys more balanced with jacks or units to backing them up?

Severius seems like he would be fun, with his powers to take over other models and use them as yours. Is he more spell assassination?

Kreoss1 is a denial caster. His spell list is very solid (Solid Denial and spell slinging), he's got a pow 14 weapon, which isn't bad, and the feat can be devistating - I don't think it's 1 trick just because of the army support.

Reznik and Feora are both very strong Beatsticks. I find Reznik wants 1 to 2 heavies, Feora about the same - you wanna be camping some focus so you don't get killed on the way in. Don't underestimate the value of a Devout to keep you alive on the way in (especially if your opponent has strong shooting)

Just my thoughts.

Gerrick

[MoDination]

Almost all Menoth casters so far have played rather agressively with most if not all 'capable' of beatsticking. Even ol' man sevvy with is capable of laying down some pain (as long as he can hit). TFG are a good solid starting point and almost every caster loves a revenger (or BoV if you're willing to spend the extra $ and point). If you're fielding 1+ jack you'll almost always take a choir as well.

[baronvonchaos]

I'd almost recommend pFeora and pKreoss as your starting caster. Just to get the feel of the units. Sev, and Amon are lvl 2 in my arbitrary 1-3 scale. Rez, Harby, and, HR/ToM are lvl 3's being more advanced.
　
Feora's my home girl. I own face with her. Lighting everything on fire is awesome and devastating all at the same time. She works well with 2 spray attacks. Engine of Destruction can wreck face if she gets into combat. pKreoss is your exercise in denial. Lamentation is probably the most irritating spell for me when I play against PoM. Neither of these casters have to be up front to play competitively, but both are forgiving if you get caught. Learn the units (Str's, weaknesses, synergies) with these. Defender's ward is just awesome sauce.

The only reason Sev doesn't fall in here is because he's Def/ARM 14 which = pushover. Excellent spell list though. Couple him with a Blessing of Vengeance and you start wrecking face. Amon and Sev take a little more finesse to play because they die quickly (in my experience) and they like to be closer to the front line to arc spells and provide buffs (synergy and Eye of Menoth). Both great spells, but I'd recommend knowing your solos/units/jacks before attempting to run them (and expect good things). Vision is a great spell even for Sev himself if you realize that you've goofed before his activation is over. Defender's ward and Eye of Menoth makes him a great all around caster. Amon is just fast and furious, but I can't comment on him too much as I've played him only a handful of times and I've lost more than won with him.

Rez, Harby, and Silent Bob/ToM are lvl 3's in my arbitrary scale because they like to be right up front. And with that, you run the risk of dieing quickly due to 1 simple mistake. Rez and ToM I've found to be the most forgiving due to higher armor, but the Harbinger is def/arm 14 and that's pretty sad if you get caught in vs a Ret army with all their stupid mage assassin cheap squad (I'm bitter... just a little, but they aren't bad). Reznik likes to wrack and wreck. With EoD and ignite he now can be pow 20's. A little bit overkill, but can pull off that 1hit kill that you need. Wait until you really know your units/jacks/solos before you play these guys and you should be fine.

That should help you ease into your new found awesome faction that you chose... :)

[MrRuffles]

Did you just refer to Harby as a beatstick caster.....!!!???

Yeah, that just happened.




Thanks for the advice guys. I will start with Feora and Kreoss and work my way up to the others. Pretty stoked to get some games in with Menoth on the table.

[Lanz]

Harbinger can thump most warcasters on a charge pretty smoothly, actually.

Charge, auto-hit, boosted damage roll at PS12, say the caster was high-armor or camping focus and had arm 20. on average, you'd get like 4 damage from the attack, but then you drop a pair of Cataclysm's point-blank with boosted damage rolls, you're rolling 6d6 straight to health for an average of 24 damage against arm 20, and if you have wracks and a heirophant, you'd be able to get 1 more boosted PS12 damage roll for another avg 4 damage.

32 damage against arm 20 on average rolls? That'd trash most things, given most casters won't be arm20 when you charge them. Wouldn't work against a warlock, but against a warlock, with an extra focus point from a wrack, you got your charge attack, then can buy 11 more attacks. I guess it'd depend on the warlock's armor.

Overall, she's about as liklely to drop a caster on the charge as Reznik is.

[gold_penguin]

Thanks for the advice guys. I will start with Feora and Kreoss and work my way up to the others. Pretty stoked to get some games in with Menoth on the table.
If you are going to go with Feora, then her jacks need to be relatively self sufficient. She likes to hold focus for armour or unleashing the pain herself. So you will definitely want to get a hold of the Avatar and Vassal from your list. The Vanquisher with the Vassal is also pretty self sufficient. TFG are a pretty good choice with her as well, so your infantry should be OK as is to start out with (almost all of them will be more than happy to get ignited, including your knights).

For Kreoss, I love the redeemer (I love the redeemer with everyone, but that's another story), and it's obviously a key part of a pop and drop. Probably the only jack in your list I don't like for Kreoss is the Crusader (I prefer to only bring one when I have a way of speeding him up), so apart from that any of your current jacks will do well with him. And as he's a pretty versatile caster, once again you have a decently wide range of infantry that will work OK with him.

[Moonblade]

My favorite Feora list consists of two heavy warjacks -- Vanquisher and the Avatar of Menoth -- both able to do their job well even without allocation of focus or support spells, and the Devout for self-protection. I almost always put my Vassal behind the Vanquisher for extra AOE attack, and the choir to support both jacks.

Other than that Feora loves the Fearless Temple Flameguards as a method to bring her up front and personal, and I find myself liking the Reclaimer much. He can suck up TFG souls and convert them into focus for the Vanquisher or Devout, because most of the time Feora would prefer to keep all her focus for herself.

[der13manner]

Feora's my home girl. I own face with her.


She is the Home Girl, and is always fun to play.

The only observation I disagree with is on Reznik. Reznik is easier to play, even if he is at the front - the trick is learning to not do it till the mid to late game, after the field gets thinned out. I imagine Cryx will have taught our friend how Aggressive one can be with a caster before you lose.