sprays and cover

[watchgeorgerock]

If anything wouldnt you think a cover would just block a spray? Hey im hiding behind a wall I think i should negate that spray

/end rant

[Rancor]

Assuming were talking Iron Kingdom era, most of the on field cover will be something like a rock wall. Have you ever seen are crudely constructed rock wall, a flame thrower would should right through it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ajukJB2z0XI/S9xRYkBPkRI/AAAAAAAAAGo/IyNvF1SDMW4/s1600/Rock+Wall+Sandy_3.jpg

[JTY]

If anything wouldnt you think a cover would just block a spray? Hey im hiding behind a wall I think i should negate that spray

Not really. If you think in terms of a real world equivalent, closest would be a flame thrower, they spray out a jet of burnng liquid and were/are used to flush out cover because the burning liquid goes everywhere and flows around cover, so that there is literally no protection from it, or the burning pools that form and remain even after the weapon has shut off.


Wath this on 4OD, it's a Time Team special about the super flame throwers used in the battle of the Somme They were brutally effective at clearing German trenches, and allowed the British to push forward a long way.
The recreation weapon made by the Royal Engineers is particularly terrifying, spraying flame several hundred yards and scorching the hair of the onlookers standing at what they thought was a safe distance:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team-specials/4od#3191178

[Rancor]

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[Mod_Redphantasm]

I would not expect a stone wall (or a trench for that matter) to save me from a flamethrower. I would expect to be baked into that wall, like so much stone cooked trout.

[BigK42]

I would not expect a stone wall (or a trench for that matter) to save me from a flamethrower. I would expect to be baked into that wall, like so much stone cooked trout.

Coincidentally, Bog Trogs are quite delicious after a good trench roast. Trollbloods are ok too, but they're a little tough.

[Devilsquid]

I didn't need Eyeless Sight to see that coming.

[drachenfels]

Coincidentally, Bog Trogs are quite delicious after a good trench roast. Trollbloods are ok too, but they're a little tough.

Gatormen taste like chicken....

[MagnustheJust]

Gatormen taste like chicken....

Yes, but with a slightly fishy after taste...

Now, in my less than humble opinion, nothing beats the taste of slow roasted farrow. Grilling them on high heat just dries the meat out too much!!

[Top]

Thrullg shiskabob is an aquired taste but if you add some horseradish it is quite delicious.

[Uratoh]

Cover DOES stop spray templates. if it completely blocks all possible LoS from the attacker to you. That's the thing about sprays, they are effectively attacking you on every possible 'LoS' line of attack, so unless you're standing completely behind a solid wall, it's gonna get you.

[CeltKhan]

Technically, that's not Cover, it's No LoS Due To Obstruction. Even if they don't go through the wall, it can come over it. Even flamethrowers use a liquid fuel, and it drips and flows like any other liquid.

[Rancor]

Cover DOES stop spray templates. if it completely blocks all possible LoS from the attacker to you. That's the thing about sprays, they are effectively attacking you on every possible 'LoS' line of attack, so unless you're standing completely behind a solid wall, it's gonna get you.

Wait, LOS is not required for a spray to hit a target, only that the template be over them. You can have a solid line of troopers in B2b, and a solo standing behind them. I can't see the solo, and have no LOS, but if I spray the line of troopers and the template goes over that solo, I can hit him.

I think what your trying to say is if there is a solid object between you and the spray, like a building, then yes the spray stops.

[Uratoh]

Specificly on right side of text on P60, 'a model under the spray template cannot be hit by the attack if the attacker's line of sight to it is completely blocked by terrain'. So saying 'cover can stop it' may have been a bit of a poor wording choice, but things that PROVIDE cover will block a spray, if they completely block LoS.

[Lanz]

Not all cover areas are walls, and plenty would have gaps or be too narrow to effectively hide behind. The thing about something like a spray is that it fills an entire area with lethal shrapnal/bullets/fire/etc, so even if half of it is cut off by a wall, the other half will still be deadly to whatever it hits.

Cover represents part of your body being completely blocked, thus providing a chance that while a bullet may hit where a body part would be, it doesn't because it hits a peice of a wall, or a sandback, or a wrecked warjack's arm, or something. That's simply reflected in an overall boost to defenses, rather than some sort of secondary roll to decide if the shot would have been on target, but something else was in the way.

If the target was completely behind a wall or something similar that blocked their body entirely then they wouldn't have LoS to them at all.

[Raven28256]

Think of it this way: Most sprays in WM/H are flamethrowers/streams of magic fire or other caustic liquids. I don't know if you've ever seen a flamethrower in action, but the flaming liquid gets all over the place and the stream of fire has an arc to it so you can shoot it over walls. Flamethrowers are specifically designed to kill people behind fortified cover. Even if you aren't getting hit by the actual flames, the heat itself is enough to cause harm to someone on the receiving end of it.

Now look at Discordia and Skarath. These are heavies that tower over small walls, so they could easily just shoot their sprays over the walls and down into the infantry hiding behind it. Skarath's breath also has the same issue with the flaming liquid from a flamethrower, and might even be so strong that it just eats right through the stone walls.

I don't think I really need to explain why these would also negate cover provided by trenches.

[iG4MER]

Check this link: http://nineball.ve.carpathiahost.net/ep/infodir/flamethrowers.html

They are liquid based, they were used to take out bunkers and other such things.. the flaming liquid would flow in and around corners sticking to the walls or what every it came into contact with. Not even water would remove or extinguish it.

[RuneGrey]

Discordia and the Pureblood Warpwolf seems to be the worst sort of spray template to get hit by - cover doesn't help when your eardrums burst, your innards are liquified, and then your head probably explodes from being pummeled by its sonic cannon or Death Howler. Things like Terminus' horrific dragon breath, a Bile Thrall's sludge cannon, or a Defiler also seem pretty horrid, and just go through everything that you are hoping will block them.

And then there's eThag's breath attack. Which doesn't even make any sense. So you're frozen... except you're also ON FIRE at the SAME TIME.

The only sprays I think don't quite make sense as far as cover goes are things like scatterguns or buckshot, which should be more effectively blocked by hard cover (at least as far as reducing their lethality) - but I'm willing to let that go given that the rules are still pretty awesome.

[drachenfels]

Discordia and the Pureblood Warpwolf seems to be the worst sort of spray template to get hit by - cover doesn't help when your eardrums burst, your innards are liquified, and then your head probably explodes from being pummeled by its sonic cannon or Death Howler. Things like Terminus' horrific dragon breath, a Bile Thrall's sludge cannon, or a Defiler also seem pretty horrid, and just go through everything that you are hoping will block them.


No worst one goes to the Celaphyx Overlords... it crushes your MIND!!!

[Raven28256]

The only sprays I think don't quite make sense as far as cover goes are things like scatterguns or buckshot, which should be more effectively blocked by hard cover (at least as far as reducing their lethality) - but I'm willing to let that go given that the rules are still pretty awesome.

Well, shotguns are highly effective in trenches, which is probably the second most common form of cover because of Dig In. It is just easier to treat things like the Scattergunners and Magnus' shotgun like normal sprays then to make some unwieldy and asinine rules about how they only work against models that are in trenches or dug in. It would make more sense logically that scatterguns don't ignore cover against troops behind a sturdy wall like they do against entrenched troops, but I think I speak for everyone, including yourself, when I say that applying too much real-world logic at the expense of rules in a fantasy game is generally a bad idea.

[checkmorale]

I like the flamers vs trenches example...