Uhlans-Good?

[Sam Lam]

Just like the question. Are uhlans good? If yes, how so? If not, why not?

Also, is it worth it to field them in 3s? 5s? with Markov? If so, how should they be used?

Thanks.

[Caecus Scius]

I enjoy taking 3 of them. People will tell you all kinds of stuff about whether a model is good or not, solely based on looking on stats of the models. (these people don't know what they are talking about, ignore them...) Listen to the people who give you good examples of how they use them, and then why they do/do not like them.


I run a list with pvlad, 2 kodiaks, a beast 09... the purpose of this is to have vlad windwall and BoK and move up with his jacks in front of him, running 8" a turn (vlad just walks 8) Now this works very well, as I can feat and get up in people's grill without getting shot hardly at all. THIS is a list where the Uhlans are very good. Nothing else could keep up with this list, as on Vlad Feat turn they are spd 8 jacks, and I sometimes use that to run 16 and tie stuff up, or charge 11". This list is all about the super charge turn. Other models CAN keep up with this list, but they are not strong enough without support, plus I need them on a flank, where they will often have to fight through some fodder on their own, or have to move much further to get to the fight.


Tactically they fit into many of my armies, and work well. Move 8 is the one thing they have that NOTHING else in your army has. Forget how something else works in a vaccum, being able to hit as hard as they do on the charge combined with spd 8, and you have the ability to do some tactical moves on the table that no other khador unit can pull off.

[i_like_tool]

I started using them after General Nemo brought up his reasons for using them in a thread, and since than I have had some pretty good success with them. Biggest reason for the success is simple......pIrusk feat and/or the odd Battlelust when I can get it to them.

Mat 8, under feat, is nothing to sneeze at and when you combine that, with or without Battlelust, they can really start to put out solid damage and hang around due to Tough and no knock down

Even without the feat they give us a fast moving threat range that people tend to ignore, due to most Cav being so so if it isn't light Cav, which is just even more Gravy.

My ONLY complaint is sometimes fitting them into my list due to there point cost

[marskitten]

Uhlans are okay, but you really need a way to help their mat after the charge attack. Otherwise they're 7-11 points of mighty wiff.
pIrusk's feat is the prime example of making them go from good to amazing.
eVlad's feat, transference, hand of fate. but lets face it he's the horse lord for a reason
pVlad's signs and portents
pSorscha's feat, tempest
eSorscha's freezing grip spell
Zerkova's Icy Grip
Greylord's def down spell.
Backstrikes!

But what they do amazingly well is take out support units. The problem is we usually have cheaper, better and more accurate solutions to do this. Kossites, Mortars, Bombards or widowmakers come to mind.

[General Nemo]

Uhlans are MAT 8 on the turn they charge without any support. After that, they tie down whatever is left so that your army can handle the rest of your enemy's forces.

They hit fast, hard, and often, and seldom don't make up their points. They are good. I take a minimum unit in almost every list I take.

[etherya]

I think Uhlans+Markov is, with widowmakers, a good base to build up anyone khador list. Excellente mobility, and good attacks, armor haven't a sickly other faction weakness.

[Sam Lam]

Thanks alot for the fee back guys. I think I like them in 3's too. Is there any solos or any synergy that I should look at beyond caster-support?

[Appolus]

If you start them behind the center of your lines, you can quickly redeploy them via 16" runs to get to a weak flank. I play against a lot of Cygnar. my unit of 3 hunt and destroy those darn defenders. They also hunt support units, lights, character units, and anything else that I can get on the sides or from behind. If your opponent ignores them long enough, you can get behind them to threaten the warcaster directly.

Take Markov along and they are not only fearless, but his warhead can quite effectively clear any infantry screen the enemy has put between your Uhlans and their target.

I tend to use them in a theme list with pIrusk. On feat turn, with Battle Lust on, they are charging at MAT 10 and hitting for 16+4d6. Anything on the receiving end of those three lances is gone, no matter what it is.

The great thing about them is that they don't really need much support at all to get in that army crippling charge.

[Avecrien]

My beef with them has been the lack of fearless. Some of my opponents are very spooky and I don't like that causing trouble in my lines.
Once I overcame that and gave these guys a chance with open-minded proxy, I became a believer. They're the kind of unit that you can build a list around. My most coveted stat is speed and you don't get faster than a black carpathian destrier. Can't wait til Vlad gets his :D

[Pickles]

Uhlans are okay, but you really need a way to help their mat after the charge attack. Otherwise they're 7-11 points of mighty wiff.
pIrusk's feat is the prime example of making them go from good to amazing.
eVlad's feat, transference, hand of fate. but lets face it he's the horse lord for a reason
pVlad's signs and portents
pSorscha's feat, tempest
eSorscha's freezing grip spell
Zerkova's Icy Grip
Greylord's def down spell.
Backstrikes!


They are good with Iron Flesh too so the PBbutcher & the Old Witch help as well. This can make them a sort of expensive first striking tarpit - DEF16 ARM19 is hard to deal with for a lot of units.
I am not sure about the Greylord debuff - it's single target so best on Jacks which are relatively easy to hit.

Markhov makes em fearles Avecrien ;)

[Avecrien]

Yah, and Markov is sexy too. He got me rethinking them, then comments from people like Nemo pushed me over the edge. I wish he handed out lances like his too <drools>

[unbanned]

Yah, and Markov is sexy too. He got me rethinking them, then comments from people like Nemo pushed me over the edge. I wish he handed out lances like his too <drools>

Markov is awesome! Warhead is sweet and tactics: PM is sweet. Battle lusted Uhlans FTW everytime

[Mutton]

In general, I like Uhlans, but I don't find myself able to use them until 50pts, and even then you have to know what you want them for. Take them with Butcher or Irusk is you want 'jack kills; Fury and Battlelust combined with MAT8 charge attacks are awesome. The Vlads can use them as assassins thanks to S&P, Hand of Fate, and Transference. I don't feel that anyone else really gets that much out of them though, but they are a solid striking unit; generally pButcher and pIrusk are the best, as they both have the damage increaser and Iron flesh combo while pButcher can make their damage skyrocket on his feat turn and pIrusk can make them more accurate and keep the chaff off them with IHG.

[mongre36]

They are fine, but I think you need the flexibility of 50 pts to make 3 of them worth the 7 points. Taking Markov makes that 11.

I do not suppose anyone knows if Markov has relentless charge? He does not in the MK2 pre-release cards and I have often wondered if that was a typo since all other Iron Fangs have access to it.

[Pickles]

I do not suppose anyone knows if Markov has relentless charge? He does not in the MK2 pre-release cards and I have often wondered if that was a typo since all other Iron Fangs have access to it.

No Relentless Charge on the cards, sadly missing that unifying theme :(

[Jiub]

A min unit of Uhlans with Battle Lust scraps an ARM 20 Khadoran heavy on the charge on average rolls.

Both Irusks like a min unit in 50 point games. They are rather niche beyond that.

[Pickles]

A min unit of Uhlans with Battle Lust scraps an ARM 20 Khadoran heavy on the charge on average rolls.

Both Irusks like a min unit in 50 point games. They are rather niche beyond that.

Fury does the same for the PButcher (or his feat or both if you want to do it with only 2 Uhlans).

Ditto E Vlads feat (plus hand of fate). Or eSorsha's Feat. Not really niche if damage output is what you want

[OldOneEye]

Fury does the same for the PButcher (or his feat or both if you want to do it with only 2 Uhlans).

Ditto E Vlads feat (plus hand of fate). Or eSorsha's Feat. Not really niche if damage output is what you want
Seconded on Sorscha2's feat. She loves high damage, accurate attacks, and the Uhlans ably provide. Also, with Boundless Charge now costing 2 focus, she can cast it on each member of a min. unit. That's 15" of reach-out-and-touch-someone. She also has Iron Flesh to keep them alive, so she's an all-around good fit for them.

[marskitten]

They are good with Iron Flesh too so the PBbutcher & the Old Witch help as well. This can make them a sort of expensive first striking tarpit - DEF16 ARM19 is hard to deal with for a lot of units.
I am not sure about the Greylord debuff - it's single target so best on Jacks which are relatively easy to hit.

Markhov makes em fearles Avecrien ;)
The problem is you have better tarpits with better range for less that have more coverage and CMA with the IFP. Granted if i needed another high armor tarpit I'd take them, but my current troop preference is looking like
1. IFP, 2. Kayazy 3. Bears 4. Uhlans if there's room.

The problem with using them as a tarpit with ironflesh is they're down to range 14 tarpits if IF is cast on them first, and 2nd if you're truely abusing their range you need to get your warcaster 6 inches behind them which defeats the purpose. OW is the exception, but scrapjack is possibly the best way to untarpit them as we have. IFP w/ IF and minifeat still tarpit at 17 inches, which still wins. But you can stagger one of the IFP back so you have one IFP for buffing purposes 20 inches back from the front line (IFP line, then officer ~10 inches back, then another stray another 10 inches back) which effectively lets you keep your caster back if you want to AND get the full 20 inches of tarpit.

Meanwhile IFP maintain their full fighting effectiveness every round whereas Uhlans are just waiting to leave.

Uhlans are an alpha strike/solo/jack hunting group in my book, but an expensive and hard to counter one. They can pull double time as something else but you're wasting their amazing charge then.

[General Nemo]

Well, Iron Flesh is RNG 8, first of all :P

Second, I prefer the Uhlans as a tarpit because they can be anywhere on the board in two turns and don't clog up my charge lanes and movement like Pikemen do. Also, Uhlans don't function well as a core of your army, like Pikemen do, so the comparison is less than equal.

Coverage is another issue I disagree with in your comparison. Uhlans have wounds, meaning that they will maintain the coverage they give even if hit (Unless by something really big, of course), unlike Pikemen who will give way to POW 12 attacks with ease. Uhlans just do the job better, and I won't care if they die, since their job is done the turn after they charge (Though mine have a habit of surviving close combat with Ride-By Attacks). By that time, my army is in position to obliterate any remaining opposition where the Uhlans once stood. They are an incredible first wave because of their speed, damage output and survivability.

[marskitten]

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[General Nemo]

What?
Ten characters

[JTY]

pButcher has Iron Flesh, it's a 6'' range spell now in the book.

Aaaaand... (checking) the same range on the pdf's as it happens.

[General Nemo]

Weird. Color me embarrassed!

[DemonCalibre]

In MK1 it was 8 inches, it had a range reduction to make it more in line with other buffs(Prime Buffs, and I think only Prime buffs had the slightly longer range)

[marskitten]

Mk1 was exactly the same :(

[DemonCalibre]

::blinks:: Was it, I could have sworn it was a weird spell with a longer range in MK1, maybe I am thinking of something else.

[Sparfunk]

This thread makes me want uhlans now :( oh the moneys! I was planning on getting a fully Maxed unit of wg and kovnik joe... Maybe I should pick up the uhlans with the idea that they'll prolly be on eIrusk's tier list somewhere...