2 Dudes who are interested

[Jake the Dog]

Hello everyone. Me & my brother are 40k players who are interested in jumping on the Warmachine Wagon. I have a few questions:
-Are the Battle Boxes good deals? Which are good and which bad? How many points do they give?
-I was first interested in the Retribution of Scyrah but they don't have a Battlegroup. My brother is going with the Protectorate of Menoth, so I'm left with 3 choices with Battlegroups: Cynar, Khador, and Cryx. There are things I like and dislike about each of them:
-Cynar
* Like - Variety on playstyles [I assume], their 'jacks look varied
* Dislike - It is the "default" faction, reminds me of 40k's Space Marines (default, Blue with Gold)

-Khador
* Like - Awesome looking warcasters (like 80% of my fav. 'casters are from here), Big hitters
* Dislike - Their 'jacks look too similar

-Cryx
* Like - Speed, some 'jacks and models look cool
* Dislike - The organic-ness / ugliness on some stuff puts me off

Which Battlegroup should I go with?

[PolarBearCub]

well first off, WELCOME!

Personally I think battle boxes are great deals, they give you a good number of models(11 points for all cept for Cryx which is 14 points) and they are discounted price for all of the models and you get the quick start rules. They do have a list for what you could use for a battlebox for Ret but at the moment im drawing a bit of a blank who the models are.

As for what battlegroup that you want i guess its all what your playstyle is. What did you play in 40K?

[Jake the Dog]

well first off, WELCOME!

Personally I think battle boxes are great deals, they give you a good number of models(11 points for all cept for Cryx which is 14 points) and they are discounted price for all of the models and you get the quick start rules. They do have a list for what you could use for a battlebox for Ret but at the moment im drawing a bit of a blank who the models are.

As for what battlegroup that you want i guess its all what your playstyle is. What did you play in 40K?

Not did, I'm still a 40k player :)

I play Tau but I'm pretty much open to all strategies / playstyles. For example, in TBS (Turn Based Strategy) Video Games, I tend to go either swarm or small elite forces (opposing playstyles), etc. It is that fact that I enjoy all playstyles that makes deciding difficult.:o

[PolarBearCub]

haha my bad my bad. Mmm well thats pretty difficult then. http://old.privateerpressforums.com/index.php?showtopic=78039 has a great guide to four of the factions(does not talk about Ret) and it is a great breakdown of it all.

In a nutshell
Cygnar(not trying to be biased but this is my favorite faction) has GREAT supporting casters. They are very ranged and special units. The jacks are unique and pretty awesome. very cool stuff

Khador- pretty good stuff...if you love being upclose and not getting damaged easily this is the faction of choice. They are armored to the teeth but very slow in comparison to Cryx and Cygnar. Personally if you like the casters thats going to be your main source of power so id go with what you want.

Cryx- They put models on the table just to be killed at times. VERY FAST jacks and great spell casters. If youve read any of the stuff you might know about arcnodes(pretty much a node that makes your spells go farther). Cryx has more jacks that have arcnodes then pretty much any faction. They are sneaky and quick.

I like all factions, just cygnar a bit more. id say look over your stuff and see. if you do like Khador's casters then id say go with them.

Eitherway,make sure that you find more people to play with..it makes so SO MUCH MORE FUN! Find the local pressganger in your area, and if you dont know, im pretty sure that some of us can help you find them.

Anyways....GOOD LUCK!

[Yertle4]

The title of this thread is incredibly shady.

My first piece of advice to you is to NOT compare Cygnar with Ultramarines. It will only lead to misrepresentation and dissapointment.
My second piece of advice is to play the one faction you think is really thematically cool (or the warcaster you think is really thematically cool) and start small. Every faction tends to have at least one warcaster who you think it awesome.
Finally, start small, work your way up, and shed all your 40k preconceptions of what a wargame should be :)

[Jake the Dog]

The title of this thread is incredibly shady.

My first piece of advice to you is to NOT compare Cygnar with Ultramarines. It will only lead to misrepresentation and dissapointment.
My second piece of advice is to play the one faction you think is really thematically cool (or the warcaster you think is really thematically cool) and start small. Every faction tends to have at least one warcaster who you think it awesome.
Finally, start small, work your way up, and shed all your 40k preconceptions of what a wargame should be :)
Well 40k is my first Wargame, it will never go down (I'm willing to bet it or WH Fantasy was the first Wargame of many here). As for the Space Marines comparison, as I said, it is on 2 reasons: they're the "default" army and have a very similar color scheme, Blue with Gold. To anyone from 40k, it will look similar sadly. As for the title, it was totally unintentional and I'll edit, sorry. Edit - Editing didn't fix it, if a mod feels it is offensive, edit plz

[admanb]

I admit I smirked at the title.


Hello everyone. Me & my brother are 40k players who are interested in jumping on the Warmachine Wagon. I have a few questions:
-Are the Battle Boxes good deals? Which are good and which bad? How many points do they give?
-I was first interested in the Retribution of Scyrah but they don't have a Battlegroup. My brother is going with the Protectorate of Menoth, so I'm left with 3 choices with Battlegroups: Cynar, Khador, and Cryx. There are things I like and dislike about each of them:
-Cynar
* Like - Variety on playstyles [I assume], their 'jacks look varied
* Dislike - It is the "default" faction, reminds me of 40k's Space Marines (default, Blue with Gold)


I thought I'd comment on this real quick. Cygnar has that "default good guys" feel to them, at initial glance, but it fades with a deeper look. Also, if you're worried about them being over-represented, don't. The last tourney I went to (25 players or so) had three Cygnar players, including me.

[Jake the Dog]

I admit I smirked at the title.



I thought I'd comment on this real quick. Cygnar has that "default good guys" feel to them, at initial glance, but it fades with a deeper look. Also, if you're worried about them being over-represented, don't. The last tourney I went to (25 players or so) had three Cygnar players, including me.

That is part of it, so it is good to hear. The default army for any Wargame (or default anything for any game for that matter) tends to be over played or hated by the community veterans (sometimes both) as it is seen as unoriginal / band / etc.

Eitherway,make sure that you find more people to play with..it makes so SO MUCH MORE FUN!I have no idea if Warmachine is big here or not (Puerto Rico). All LGS are TCG based, rarely you see miniature games around. I buy Wargame stuff online.

[Raven28256]

Hello everyone. Me & my brother are 40k players who are interested in jumping on the Warmachine Wagon. I have a few questions:
-Are the Battle Boxes good deals? Which are good and which bad? How many points do they give?
-I was first interested in the Retribution of Scyrah but they don't have a Battlegroup. My brother is going with the Protectorate of Menoth, so I'm left with 3 choices with Battlegroups: Cynar, Khador, and Cryx. There are things I like and dislike about each of them:
-Cynar
* Like - Variety on playstyles [I assume], their 'jacks look varied
* Dislike - It is the "default" faction, reminds me of 40k's Space Marines (default, Blue with Gold)

-Khador
* Like - Awesome looking warcasters (like 80% of my fav. 'casters are from here), Big hitters
* Dislike - Their 'jacks look too similar

-Cryx
* Like - Speed, some 'jacks and models look cool
* Dislike - The organic-ness / ugliness on some stuff puts me off

Which Battlegroup should I go with?

The Battleboxes are great deals. If you were to buy the stuff in your average Battlebox individually, you will probably spend maybe $70 or more. Plus, the Battleboxes come with quick start rule inserts.

As for points, the Battleboxes are usually somewhere around 15, give or take a few points. In other words, it contains enough to play the recommended minimal number of points for a new player.

And I'd recommend against comparing the Warmachine factions with 40k ones. Cygnar is A LOT different from the Space Marines in 40k, in both play style and fluff. In fact, the factions in Warmachine tend to have a lot more variety within them than the ones in 40k, and their play styles can drastically change based solely on your warcaster. That said, since you play Tau in 40k, Cygnar actually supports a fairly similar play style. While all the factions have a decent number of good ranged units, Cygnar has a bit more variety in the ranged department than the others.

But again, all the factions support a wide range of play styles. While Cygnar has some great ranged units, they have plenty of solid melee fighters too.

[fuzzypants]

the batle boxes are a great place to start. they play well against eachother and i sugest playing batle bos sized games for the first month or two. though the army/point level is small it is a full tactical game and playing just the batle group helps you realy get the game under your thumb.

the batle boxes wont have mk2 cards but you can download the quikstart pdf from the web site, it has all the cards for the batleboxes in it. the box sets are all the same point level excluding cryx. it has afew more points then the rest.

as far as cygnar being the default army like the ultra marines this , though sorta true can be msileading. they are the first presented in the book and are definatly one of the main protaganists in the story lines but they are not necisarily the most populas army choice. in 40k space marines tend to have a larger portion or players playing them compaired to the other armies. in warmachine this is not as pernounced, the factions are roughly equaly represented atleast in the places i have played. if i where to rank the factions i saw played most it would be khador, menoth, cygnar,cryx and mercs. but no one faction is overwhelmingly represented.

from reading you post i would say khador is the army for you. the casters are the lynch pins of the armys and you already like their casters.

i hope this helps you in your descision

and have fun playing my favorite game :)

[Ger]

My advice is to proxy some battlebox games. It's better with actual models, but you can cut out cardboard or paper to act as stand ins. If paper put something ontop to weigh them down, and take it off when you want to move it.

Just play all the different factions. Swapping around who plays what. Don't forget Hordes either. While it's presently in field test, it's as viable as WM. Just get and use the latest field test rules. Also don't discount Ret. If it's what you like, don't let the lack of battlegroup discourage you from trying it.

[Jake the Dog]

An idea I'm thinking of, may or not go with it...: How would a Pirate Queen Skarre leading mostly Pirates and/or Satyxis [Skarre looks like them and a new Unit is coming], with some 'jacks maybe, be fluff-wise and ingame-wise?
What would I need to make a starter list with her that is a good match up againt the Protectorate of Menoth Battlegroup (I want fair games with my brother ;))? The lower the $$$-price, the better.

Just tossing ideas...thinking of a Khador and/or Cygnar themed idea soon...

[Devilsquid]

The 'default' Retribution starter box is Kalyssa (the Mage Hunter girl), Griffon, Chimera and Manticore. That's comparable to the other box sets.

So you know. And knowing is half the battle!


(the other half is violence)

Welcome to you and your brother!

[maxxev]

I notived that the guy who gave you a quick run down only mentioned 3 factions!?!?

There are 6, excluding Hordes which is totally compatible (or will be when MK2 is out at least...) Cygnar, Khador, Cryx, Menoth, Retribution, Mercenaries.

All the factions can be fielded as a fully fleged force, the Mercs just have inbuilt restrictions into thier lists.

I'd repeat wht's been said before. Get yourself a copy of the prime rulesbook and proxy a few games with whatever you fancy and see what you like to play It helps if you can find a veteran to show you the ropes.

[GnomesofZurich]

There are six battle boxes which have been published for Warmachine (two of which are out-of-print, but still available at various online stores).

In terms of raw point value, Cryx is the best deal, with 19 points of warjacks (14 after Denegrha's jack points are spent). Cygnar has 17 points raw (11 points after Stryker's jack points are spent), Khador and Menoth both have 16 (11). The two mercenary battle boxes are Magnus the Traitor with 18 points raw (12 after jack points) and Gorten with 15 points raw (only 8 after jack points).

I'm just starting out with Warmachine myself, and have decided to start with Mercenaries (with the Magnus the Traitor battle box), so be aware you have that option as well.

[Niadano]

An idea I'm thinking of, may or not go with it...: How would a Pirate Queen Skarre leading mostly Pirates and/or Satyxis [Skarre looks like them and a new Unit is coming], with some 'jacks maybe, be fluff-wise and ingame-wise?
What would I need to make a starter list with her that is a good match up againt the Protectorate of Menoth Battlegroup (I want fair games with my brother ;))? The lower the $$$-price, the better.

Just tossing ideas...thinking of a Khador and/or Cygnar themed idea soon...


The easiest way would to get the Cryx battle box and the Skarre figure and substitute out Denny for Skarre. That would be the most "fair" as opposed to another battle box.

Once you get up and running, the Menoth player will surely add some troops, and, at that point, you can add a Satyxis unit or whatever. Cryx has a ton of "piratey" figs for a themed army that can really be pretty solid. You have the Rev. crew, a cannon, Black Ogruns and the ghost unit whose name escapes me. Also most of the merc priates save a couple solos will come along for some Skarre plundering.


Also Epic Skarre is widely considered to be in the upper eschelon in MKII, so using her in the future is always an option.

[Jake the Dog]

Another idea I had was a long ranged Cygnar team leaded by Captain Kara Sloan (if her gun Spitfire is used as a guideline, she looks like the best 'caster for gunner based lists).

[Lord Stormbringer]

Another idea I had was a long ranged Cygnar team leaded by Captain Kara Sloan (if her gun Spitfire is used as a guideline, she looks like the best 'caster for gunner based lists).

Kara Sloan comes out in February, so there's no rules (that I'm aware of) by which to judge. I'd be highly surprised if she wasn't a good fit for a range list but not much more specific.

[Jake the Dog]

We've decided. I'm going with Menoth (I am a templar/crusade fan. He called them first but he saw my hesitation on deciding so he left me Menoth) and he will go Cynar.


We'll try to get a rule book in a few weeks and save up for buy the rest (Battlegroup, etc)

[Hjelmen0]

\o/ Hope you have some good games, and don't hesitate to exploit the experience of the community for all it's worth! :D