Domination font & colour...

[Cadian Munkey]

Just thought I'd see if other people have noticed how the font for "Domination" is very Legion-esque in colour etc & that hopefully this means Everblight will be getting a big front seat & even an Athanc! Fingers crossed!

-Munkey

[Steampunk Jim]

I was thinking about anthanc, and I don't think thags will get another this book. We know that we're getting Lylyth 3 next year. I doubt we'd also get Thagrosh3, either this book or next.

I think we might see thags get another anthanc in the book next year, but won't see his model till the book after.

[SteakAndSpirits]

In one of the other threads, it was reported that Epic Vayl's title is: Consul of Everblight.

While the title of Consul has been used to reflect a position of coequal authority, the definition (from dictionary.com) that I wanted to bring to light is as follows:


an official appointed by the government of one country to look after its commercial interests and the welfare of its citizens in another country.

I'm wondering if the implication here is that part of Domination's story arc will include the Legion of Everblight actually descending onto some real cities and towns and establishing some sort of pseudo-governance and diplomatic relationship. For instance, the Kayazy are deeply interested in commercial success. And if the real threat of the blight were misrepresented as only a minor threat, with a major potential for profit and power, is it possible they would interact w/ an emmissary of Everblight? Would Vayl, who appears (on the exterior) to be the least blighted, be an appropriate choice? Given both her appearance, power, authority, and seniority?

Obviously the Grotesques would need to stay at home, but could you imagine an honor guard of cloaked and hooded Hex Hunters or Swordsmen slipping in under the cover of darkness with Vayl?

What if, in exchange for Everblight targetting some key opponent's of the Kayazy, they provided a steady supply of common criminals or refugees to fuel the blood needed for new mutations? Perhaps a Raek stalking out to silently devourer the inhabitants of a distant country manor of a political rival, or an ambush en route through mountain passes? Weren't Raeks used as relentless, tireless assassins in ages past? Surely this sort of tactic would be intuitively easy to negotiate from Everblight's perspective.

-s&s

[Cadian Munkey]

Hmm, very interesting idea. So then Vassal of EB is definitely not her title then? & also what thread was the discussion in?

Anyway, back OT, that would be pretty cool. I reckon the Kayazy higher ups would probably think they are above a lowly disembodied dragon & I the need arouse, could crush it with Khadors army at their disposal so entering into partnership with it could work.
I'm looking forward to see how they flesh out Kallus, if this theory happens, because I imagine they'd (EB) wanna keep his wrath under control/ cloak of darkness. Maybe it's in a strike against circle or Ios?
I'd love to see Rhyas sent on those assassin missions with a few champions & raeks:-D

Any more interesting theories?

-Munkey.

[SteakAndSpirits]

Any more interesting theories?

-Munkey.

Well. An alternative thought is that the title Consul has been used to describe a position of coequals in a political order. In this case, the most obvious application would be a coequal authority between Vayl and Everblight. It isn't hard to infer that this coequal authority is precisely why she has an epic incarnation, and would likely be related to some breakthrough she had in her research pursuing blood and mutations, as elluded to in the Hordes: Primal story.

That said, it seems that Thagrosh has a bit of an advantage here. He has a larger anthanc, has undergone a massive mutations, and is (when you get right down to it) pretty large and in charge. It's hard for me to imagine, for all the prestige that Vayl may have racked up, her really being a coequal with the monstrousity that is Epic Thagrosh.

But as far as the possibility of Kayazys -- Yes, precisely. The true threat of a disembodied Dragon on a quest to dominate the world disguished as some lesser force from the wilds, easily dispatched by the mighty Khadorian Empire, should the need arise. Let's not forget that Vayl is entirely capable of persuasive manipulation, as well -- She has a history of demonstrating intense profiency in that regard. And of course, Kayazy was but one choice of many. Even dissident elements of Cygnar could, perhaps, find themselves interested in making a deal of the wrong sorts. They are, afterall, a nation besieged. Room to cut a few corners, here, to save the nation? *Cue moral dilema*

Though, that may be a less likely possibility, if for nothing other than the geographic considerations.

-s&s

[Cadian Munkey]

It would be great if vayl had created some monster character beast that made thags *have* to consider them on equal ground (at least threat/strength wise) -like the ultimate dark sentinel (shadow of the colossus style) that only answers to her. & perhaps emerges from the ground when she's in danger.... Ala the worm.

Unlikey but cool none the less.

-Munkey.

[Lanz]

The Wrath logo looked very Retribution-esque, but didn't revolve around them, so I'm not expecting any special legion treatment.

[Cadian Munkey]

The Wrath logo looked very Retribution-esque, but didn't revolve around them, so I'm not expecting any special legion treatment.

Well they did get Nyssor (or atleast his box) back so that would be like finding an Athanc ^_^

-Munkey

[Thanatos_elNyx]

Well hasn't Vayl been working on a way to make Heavy Warbeasts without exsanguinating a warlock everytime.
If she perfects that, it would be very prestigious, her tiered list could include cheaper Warbeasts, etc.

[Northern Ronin]

Well hasn't Vayl been working on a way to make Heavy Warbeasts without exsanguinating a warlock everytime.
If she pefects that, it would be very prestigious, her tiered list could include cheaper Warbeasts, etc.


She's been working on a super sized Spawning Vessel, but there's no way of knowing if it's even doable for sure, in two manners; First making a spawn, though it seems she was close to this; and B: Making a spawn that use viable for field use (smart enough / obedient enough). There's no assurance such a dangerous spawn is going to be as 'well behaved' as a shredder out of a vessel. If I recall, shredders aren't that well behaved to start, but Legion doesn't care since they're so easy to replace (Heck Thagrosh bleeds them without effort). That and they seem to require a vast amount more blood then what's needed out of a warlock, I got the feeling that she bled out dire trolls (That's several), to fill the dang thing. Heck it takes 3 people to make a shredder, so there's a definite mass requirement that's much larger then the spawn being made.

As to the OP; I wouldn't read too deeply into the color of the text :p

[vengence88]

It would be great if vayl had created some monster character beast that made thags *have* to consider them on equal ground (at least threat/strength wise) -like the ultimate dark sentinel (shadow of the colossus style) that only answers to her. & perhaps emerges from the ground when she's in danger.... Ala the worm.

Unlikey but cool none the less.

-Munkey.

Maybe, Vayl created the Legion Battle engine....and that puts her in runnings as co-equal? though I still don't understand where this "Consul" title came from to begin with so I'm not sure speculating over it is worth the time, though Vayl has already proven she's power hungry i.e. turning all her people over to thag and Eb for a piece of the athanc, and she was so determined to finish her work on the "super" vessel she ignored grissel to the point of getting smashed by grissels hammer/mace-honestly fluff wise i think Vayl is our most dangerous caster, she will do whatever it takes for more power

EDIT: I guess in theory Thag would be the most dangerous as he's practically a dragon, however after comparing him in game as pthag and ethag I have no respect for him, sry pthag is better :P

[Symptom-F]

Here's what I think, and I'll admit that this could be way off-base:

Given the attention that Nyssor has gotten lately, and the last paragraph of Vayl's fluff on her page of the forces book, I think the legion will intercept Nyssor, and Vayl will succeed where Zerkova and Goreshade failed, and kill Nyssor. What that would mean for the un-cool elves (literally speaking. The elves of Ios live in a warmer locale ;) ) I couldn't say, but it would be a particularly good way to go epic.
Especially since Goreshade went epic just for doing a diefic snatch-and-run.

[vengence88]

Here's what I think, and I'll admit that this could be way off-base:

Given the attention that Nyssor has gotten lately, and the last paragraph of Vayl's fluff on her page of the forces book, I think the legion will intercept Nyssor, and Vayl will succeed where Zerkova and Goreshade failed, and kill Nyssor. What that would mean for the un-cool elves (literally speaking. The elves of Ios live in a warmer locale ;) ) I couldn't say, but it would be a particularly good way to go epic.
Especially since Goreshade went epic just for doing a diefic snatch-and-run.

disagree, solely because that would mean vayl got into a fight with ossyan and won, and not that I don' think she could cuz I'm sure she could, where would that leave him, legion isn't likely to leave someone behind without blighting them or killing them and pp doesn't kill casters

[wonderboyz]

pp doesn't kill casters

Didn't they kill Baldur?

[vengence88]

Didn't they kill Baldur?

um no? seriously? He's the lock circle gets as an epic this book.

[Neutralyze]

Didn't they kill Baldur?

well he was killed but that doesnt mean anything in WM/Hordes. Megalith sat on him and hatched him like and egg. keeping him warm enough to hatch.

[PyroSikTh]

um no? seriously? He's the lock circle gets as an epic this book.

Yeah, that's why he's going epic :D

[Thanatos_elNyx]

Didn't they kill Baldur?

She turned me into a Newt!
...
I got better.

[Lanz]

Here's what I think, and I'll admit that this could be way off-base:

Given the attention that Nyssor has gotten lately, and the last paragraph of Vayl's fluff on her page of the forces book, I think the legion will intercept Nyssor, and Vayl will succeed where Zerkova and Goreshade failed, and kill Nyssor. What that would mean for the un-cool elves (literally speaking. The elves of Ios live in a warmer locale ;) ) I couldn't say, but it would be a particularly good way to go epic.
Especially since Goreshade went epic just for doing a diefic snatch-and-run.

If Vayl killed a god where a maniac like Goreshade failed, she'd skip epic and go straight to legendary.

[wonderboyz]

um no? seriously? He's the lock circle gets as an epic this book.

Yeah I thought was correct the Harbringer killed him in one of mk.I books. For whatever that is worth!

[Lanz]

Yeah I thought was correct the Harbringer killed him in one of mk.I books. For whatever that is worth!

Baldur never actually 'dies' as far as the written fluff goes. Last said about in him Metamorphosis is that Megalith is rooted on the ground over a smear of blood, and Kaya could sense the tiniest glimmer of life. It's likely that Megalith protected Buldur while Buldur leeched off him to recover. Other Hordes fluff generally suggests that a warlock can survive even fatal injuries, so long as they have a beast around to draw energy from. It's possible that it just took far longer to recover in his weakened state. The rules don't reflect bleeding out or anything, and even a critically-injured warlock with 1 health box left is still 'fine', so it's possible that Buldur was injured well beyond that point, where even conventional warlock healing would take a long time to fight off his wounds.

As far as we know, he didn't actually die, but Lylyth messed him up good though.

[vengence88]

If Vayl killed a god where a maniac like Goreshade failed, she'd skip epic and go straight to legendary.

I agree...and wouldn't complain lol. though since she's already confirmed as epic, maybe saeryn should kill nyssor and go legendary and therefore keep the vayl/saeryn rivalry going amd makign lots of players happy :) unless your a retribution player, but then again if you are you're next on the blighted list so who cares about you?

[Symptom-F]

Again, I admit my theory could be 100% wrong. That said, if Vayl kills/harnesses Nyssor, and takes his power, she'd have access to a whole new level of abilities which DON'T come from EB. If that's the case, everyone's favorite disembodied dragon would have more reason to treat her as an equal. As a Consul, if you will.

Also, and this is slightly off-topic, remember when everyone was discussing the fact that Kallus's blurb states that he's a simulacrum? Well, during a re-read of the spell martyr blurb, i noticed that the gem (or whatever) that keeps them alive, and a viable conduit for blighted energies is a "simulacrum" of a dragon's athanc. This has me wondering if Kallus isn't among the ranks of warlocks with an athanc shard, and is alone in the respect that he has a pseudo-athanc.

Could be wrong.

[Cadian Munkey]

Yeah, in the back of my head I have this gut feeling PP are going to be messing around with the fury mechanic with Kallus. Don't know how, but just have an inkling.

-Munkey

[SteakAndSpirits]

This has me wondering if Kallus isn't among the ranks of warlocks with an athanc shard, and is alone in the respect that he has a pseudo-athanc.

Could be wrong.

Interesting observation. I'm very curious to see how he turns out! :)

-s&s

[Neutralyze]

well hopefully in under a week we get spoilers for kallus and maybe even evayl.

[Cadian Munkey]

Purification would be soo nice...

-Munkey.

[Neutralyze]

yes an no. it makes our orders of operations switch a bit which could be detrimental. since purification removes all upkeeps on animi friendly and enemy.

[Cadian Munkey]

I guess it would depend on his spell list really. I'm imagining his feat will be some sort of boost to damage output or stats considering if he's meant to be the wrath of EB.

-Munkey

[Neutralyze]

what would you think if he was more like the butcher in his capabilities. higher armor, more durability topped with good damage output.

[Galitlan]

I would like to see him like a butcher. pButcher is a great caster as he has something good for everyone with spells and feat. Plus he can always just go up and finish the game himself.

After seeing the first tweo caster I hope he is like the troll then skorne. The troll caster is just soild with good mix of attacks, spells, and feat. While the skorne caster seems like jumble of abilities that in the end you have to kill yourself to make work.

[Cadian Munkey]

I'd really like that. It would definitely be nice to have a caster that was frontline & capable of surviving & wrecking face while there. Supporting infantry would be nice too. Be very different to how we play at the moment. A butcher would make me excited to play him.

-Munkey

[Defenstrator]

I'm wondering if the implication here is that part of Domination's story arc will include the Legion of Everblight actually descending onto some real cities and towns and establishing some sort of pseudo-governance and diplomatic relationship. For instance, the Kayazy are deeply interested in commercial success. And if the real threat of the blight were misrepresented as only a minor threat, with a major potential for profit and power, is it possible they would interact w/ an emmissary of Everblight? Would Vayl, who appears (on the exterior) to be the least blighted, be an appropriate choice? Given both her appearance, power, authority, and seniority?
I think that's an interesting idea. In fact as soon as read it I was reminded that Everblight has already built one kingdom, the kingdom of Morrdh. The Shredder, Harrier, Raek, Carnivean and Angelius all date from that period. With all that's going on in Khador betweeen the Iosians invading, the Crusade grabbing their previously conqured territory, and the Cryxians launching a mass invasion in the Thonwood, I could very much see the Empress deciding that she could live with a kingdom in the north. Especially since while they claimed it, the Khadorans never actaully controlled the area anyway.

[Shadowspite]

well hopefully in under a week we get spoilers for kallus and maybe even evayl.


what makes you think that?

[Neutralyze]

what makes you think that?

original release date for warlocks and august releases were pushed back to september. this gives them the ability to pre release at gencon much like they do every year.

[Galitlan]

the only thing I worry about is we have seen every other caster but our caster atleast previewed. I still havea ninja lined up if he's there but little worried with no preview.