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PaintThrall
01-20-2010, 08:26 AM
She's in the newsletter.
Magic ability 7:
*action Power Booster
*action Seduction
*attack Venom
Parry
Shadowbind on the weapon
As a Cygnar player I'm envious of Power Booster with FA2
http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_front_small.jpg (http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_front.jpg)http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_back_small.jpg (http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_back.jpg)
(Stole links from Captainspud since his were WAY better than mine)
Hooooly crap that is a great solo.
Mutton
01-20-2010, 08:31 AM
Power Booster. Goddamn that's useful in Cryx. She's going to see a lot of play in bonechicken heavy lists I predict.
RuneGrey
01-20-2010, 08:33 AM
Not bad - about what I was hoping for. Well, part of me was hoping for our own version of Junior, but our own Koldun Lord isn't too bad either. With a good magical ability, her Venom will be pretty scary, plus Power Booster can give a jack a leg up. Plus disruption isn't anywhere near as bad as it used to be.
Glad to see she has a strong version of Seduction as well. Full advance gives her a nice way of causing some havoc, even if she has to be in B2B.
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 08:37 AM
seems to be somethign wrong, I can't get the links to work that were in the newsletter, either can't display the page, or getting a red x
galonso
01-20-2010, 08:39 AM
Fantastic model. Can't wait to get 2!
Tionas
01-20-2010, 08:40 AM
Thats how all the seductions work. Influence is the lesser one.
however, undisrupting the arc nodes is HUGE...
Oh, and he forgot : Stealth, Reach and Magic Weapon. Neat!
Sevwall
01-20-2010, 08:40 AM
Pffft. 2 points my ***.
I don't even care about power booster. 15" threat range on a RAT 7 spray that causes corrosion. And a reach attack that unshakably locks you in place for a round (albeit at a low enough MAT that it will only target the jacks.... that the ability rocks so much against).
Undisruptable arcnodes definitely push it even further.
Am I the only one who thinks 2 point solos generally are more powerful than 3 point solos?
Good for you guys though. She sure is bad ***.
Gorbad
01-20-2010, 08:42 AM
Not bad - about what I was hoping for. Well, part of me was hoping for our own version of Junior, but our own Koldun Lord isn't too bad either.
Actually I'd say this is much better than getting a Cryx Junior. Cryx don't really have any cheap long range shooting jacks and that's about the only type of jacks you want to put on a junior type character. This one seems to be a pretty good utility solo, able to help out any jack you choose, a pretty nasty spray and some interesting utility with Seduction. Even her weapon isn't bad.
I want to get two.
DemonCalibre
01-20-2010, 08:45 AM
That is cash money, A powerful model with flexiable abilities, Power Booster is slick, but even Venom is a potent ability.
Consider me Sold
Sobek
01-20-2010, 08:45 AM
Ah... If only she was a Jack Marshall..... ;)
All things considered, I like her. It's nice to have a decent 2 point filler when you have the extra points. :D
RuneGrey
01-20-2010, 08:48 AM
Actually I'd say this is much better than getting a Cryx Junior. Cryx don't really have any cheap long range shooting jacks and that's about the only type of jacks you want to put on a junior type character. This one seems to be a pretty good utility solo, able to help out any jack you choose, a pretty nasty spray and some interesting utility with Seduction. Even her weapon isn't bad.
I want to get two.
True enough. If nothing else, I want one of these for my list I include a Harrower in for its bombardment phase. 1 focus will do a good job of putting the AOE onto target, or boosting against an important target. Plus the entire 'undisrupting arc nodes' is a huge bonus. While arc nodes have become a bit less important with some of my casters (been playing eGaspy and pGoreshade for the last little bit, gonna try and move on to eSkarre, Montenebra, and a bit more Dene soon) it is going to be a huge help.
While Cryx will probably never get a jack marshal, these ladies will do a great job at helping to balance out how focus hungry some of our jacks can be. Plus Shadowbind. Plus Venom. An excellent investment - definitely getting two of these once they come out.
Ghyrrshyld
01-20-2010, 08:50 AM
Power Booster. Goddamn that's useful in Cryx. She's going to see a lot of play in bonechicken heavy lists I predict.
We have bonechicken heavy lists?
Pffft. 2 points my ***.
*looks at the Squire, shakes head sadly*
Anyhow, I expect the Warwitch Siren to replace the Skarlock in a number of my armies.
coolwhip1
01-20-2010, 08:53 AM
God Damn it!
Now I have to go and re-work my lists for Gencon.
I just hope her model is a sweet as her rules...
I think I am going to cry! Tears of Joy that is! :)
Zaxon
01-20-2010, 09:02 AM
Wow...she is awesome! I am anxious to see the model!
Jyggdrasil
01-20-2010, 09:03 AM
Rocking awesome - especially with parry!
Writer@Large
01-20-2010, 09:16 AM
... and she's Stealthed. Nice. Otherwise, she'd be a bullet magnet, I have no doubt.
--W@L
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 09:17 AM
Ah... If only she was a Jack Marshall..... ;)
All things considered, I like her. It's nice to have a decent 2 point filler when you have the extra points. :D
I see her working really well with the Harrower. Since it really only needs that initial focus to charge, then it can start using souls to fuel itself. or it can use that focus to boost it's range attack. That's pretty close to jack marshalling it.
Corpazious
01-20-2010, 09:23 AM
Yaaaaay, a true utility Solo! :D
And as a Circle player too, I can tell you that a Blackclad's Spray is AMAZING!
We have 1 less Magic Ability than them, but 1 more speed AND we have Stealth.
The Sirens will HOSE (literally) single wound infantry! A great way to be able to use your Casters Focus for other spells than Sprays and AOEs.
And all the other great stuff from posts above mine. :)
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 09:25 AM
also finally an answer for Stormsmiths disrupting arc nodes with ease
Kaptain Von
01-20-2010, 09:28 AM
Nice. Koldun Lord with witch boobs. Approve wholeheartedly.
Spleen Hammer
01-20-2010, 09:29 AM
I have reason to believe that I'll have Denny Jr and the Skarlock in my lists. Keep them both in the neighborhood as the 'Caster and you've got a serious 1-2-3 punch, especially if the 'Caster is Denny Sr.
The Siren is dang near exactly what I was hoping for.
Diggity.
OmegaLolrus
01-20-2010, 09:32 AM
May I paint a picture?
*Warwitch walks up to Enemy Warrior*
"Hi there, sailor. Tell you what, if you just... walk straight back toward your warcaster, right up to about the edge of my warcaster's control area, I promise you something good... and I promise I won't shoot you in the back with Psycho Venom."
*Corruptor activates, back-strikes the model with Psycho Venom.*
"Okay, maybe I lied."
I think she'll be a lot of help getting the Corruptor's make-an-arc node ability to work out right.
Fearless
01-20-2010, 09:36 AM
Take that Stormsmiths!! Take it up the bum!!
A very nice suite of abilities, and parry/stealth means she's fairly well protected.
Jyggdrasil
01-20-2010, 09:36 AM
Yeah. The more I read/think about her the more rocking awesome she gets.
Boo-Yah! :D
draxius
01-20-2010, 09:37 AM
I'll take two, please. :D
Not that this is tactically sound, but I can only giggle as I imagine two Warwitches walking up behind my Deathjack, feeding him two extra focus (on top of his 5) and watching him cast Perdition to advance, then trample, and own even more face than usual.
In all seriousness, though, having 2 extra focus to assign to 'Jacks is nothing to sneeze at. Venom is awesome as a ranged option. Seduction is still kind of "eh", but I suppose it's useful if you ever to find yourself living through a melee attack - definitely doesn't take away from the model to have another option.
Overall, she's around where I thought she'd be (but not as good as I'd wished, even knowing it was unrealistic) - the fact that she has Power Booster without being a 'Jack Marshal is an acceptable compromise in my book (pushing any melee 'Jack up to a potential 5 focus is obscene).
I think the Warwitch Siren can find a place in most casters' lists, and is extremely versatile. Exactly what I wanted.
NightMoor
01-20-2010, 09:43 AM
Awesome solo, can't wait to put her in my army :)
draxius
01-20-2010, 09:44 AM
May I paint a picture?
*Warwitch walks up to Enemy Warrior*
"Hi there, sailor. Tell you what, if you just... walk straight back toward your warcaster, right up to about the edge of my warcaster's control area, I promise you something good... and I promise I won't shoot you in the back with Psycho Venom."
*Corruptor activates, back-strikes the model with Psycho Venom.*
"Okay, maybe I lied."
I think she'll be a lot of help getting the Corruptor's make-an-arc node ability to work out right.
I didn't even think about this... this is fantastically... Cryx. Thank you for making my day.
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 09:45 AM
(pushing any melee 'Jack up to a potential 5 focus is obscene).
Not sure what you mean here, but she can only allocate a focus if the jack does not currently have a focus point on it. The things it does help with is jacks with Soul Taker like the Harrower who can use souls to boost/make additional attacks which could allow it up to 4 opportunities to boost or make and additional attack (i.e. 3 soul tokens, plus the 1 focus from the Siren)
Preston
01-20-2010, 09:47 AM
May I paint a picture?
*Warwitch walks up to Enemy Warrior*
"Hi there, sailor. Tell you what, if you just... walk straight back toward your warcaster, right up to about the edge of my warcaster's control area, I promise you something good... and I promise I won't shoot you in the back with Psycho Venom."
*Corruptor activates, back-strikes the model with Psycho Venom.*
"Okay, maybe I lied."
I think she'll be a lot of help getting the Corruptor's make-an-arc node ability to work out right.
:eek: :D
Bwahahahahahaahaaaa Yes, yes she'll do just fine...
Even better if you can survive to grab an enemy warrior with reach & weapon master. ;) She is definitely an interesting little tool kit for 2 pts.
Writer@Large
01-20-2010, 09:48 AM
also finally an answer for Stormsmiths disrupting arc nodes with ease
Yup. In fact, between them and Eiryss alone, the Siren will be a near autoinclude.
--W@L
ResurrectioN
01-20-2010, 09:48 AM
I'll take two, please. :D
Not that this is tactically sound, but I can only giggle as I imagine two Warwitches walking up behind my Deathjack, feeding him two extra focus (on top of his 5) and watching him cast Perdition to advance, then trample, and own even more face than usual.
...
You might wanna read Power booster again ;)
werepug
01-20-2010, 09:49 AM
I'll take two, please. :D
Not that this is tactically sound, but I can only giggle as I imagine two Warwitches walking up behind my Deathjack, feeding him two extra focus (on top of his 5) and watching him cast Perdition to advance, then trample, and own even more face than usual.
Unfortunately Power Booster only allows you to give focus to a jack that doesn't already have any focus on it.
Writer@Large
01-20-2010, 09:54 AM
So, between a Skarlock and 2 Sirens, that's the potential equivalent of 5 extra focus (pseudo-focus?) for your caster each turn. That makes me happy.
--W@L
hauntingexperience
01-20-2010, 09:54 AM
*sniff* Its... beautiful
I'm getting 2, end of.
Katkiller 5
01-20-2010, 09:59 AM
Wow. Just wow. I was expecting venom and maybe influence, but venom, seduction, power booster, stealth, and shadow bind with a magical reach weapon? Wow. So buying two of them and running them all the time.
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 10:07 AM
yeah, but at MAT 5 its going to be risky using that weapon as anything more than a last ditch effort over Venom without getting some debuff support from a caster or knockdown. Could come in handy on DEF 10/11 jacks without reach though.
hauntingexperience
01-20-2010, 10:08 AM
I think there will be 2 in every one of my lists. 4 points for that much flexibility and countering? Oh yeah.
That Weapon will be mad hott against Khador and Menoth jacks!
Micf2302
01-20-2010, 10:10 AM
Okay... I just bought 1 blister of cephalyx overlord and I feel Ripped off! Got them for the spray attack... But for 4 points I'd rather have 2 of these girls around. It's also gonna free a focus ( for upkeeping Occultation). So I'll be able to steatlh someone else or keep that focus.
It's also going to be a nice solo for reanimator...
Me happy :)
(apart from the fact that I spent 21.99 CAD$ on the cephalyx!)
P.S. This solo really makes me wonder what PP was trying to do with the cephalyx overlords...
Cephalys
Influence
0.5 reach (auto1 dmg)
No stealth
Squishy
SP 8 (ignore terrain)
-
Siren
(seduction, in b2b)
2 reach (shadowbind)
stealth
Squishy
(SP8)
Power booster
Am I the only one to think that Siren are strictly better than Cephalyx? Maybe you'll take cephalyx if you ever need more growd control (yeah rigth!)!
Jyggdrasil
01-20-2010, 10:14 AM
You say that now, but just wait until you see Mortenebra's tier lists ;)
Tionas
01-20-2010, 10:24 AM
Take em all! 8 points of spray goodness!
jonconcarne
01-20-2010, 10:34 AM
Take em all! 8 points of spray goodness!
then we'd almost have as many sprays as a Legion army! :)
Anyways, it definitely took me two to three times of reading the card to figure out that I really really really want it, lol.
Gorbad
01-20-2010, 10:45 AM
Take em all! 8 points of spray goodness!
That's what I'm thinking. Lots and lots of spray action, and having the Overlords also means you are free to do something else than Venom without suddenly missing a chunk of your anti-infantry ability.
Writer@Large
01-20-2010, 10:45 AM
Could come in handy on DEF 10/11 jacks without reach though.
Heck, yeah. With SPD 7, it will be easy-peasy to send her in from 9" away, get a hit on a Heavy, then let some heavy hitter go to town.
--W@L
DarkTemplars
01-20-2010, 10:50 AM
I'm liking the threat range on venom. 10" charge and then drop the spray. I think that they could have more potential than pistol wraiths. We'll have to see how things pan out.
RafiK
01-20-2010, 10:50 AM
Wow, just wow!
Few weeks ago I was wondering how will be Sirene designed like. Great speed and defensive potential was obvious but what about magic ability?
So I was hoping for Seduction/Influence, Venom (Cygnaran friend of mine told me that it will be too powerfull for 2pts solo ;)) and... some kind of support. I agreed with my friend that Parasite or Scything Touch will be too much cherries on one cake. And now we have Power booster :-)
PP gave me even more I was expected.
Wow, just wow
Micf2302
01-20-2010, 11:01 AM
I personnally do not like Power booster that much (ie: I don't figth alot of disruption and I don't field much heavy apart from: Seether, DJ).
But My meta doesn't have any swans or RoS
Tionas
01-20-2010, 11:15 AM
you cant charge and magic ability.... can you?
Corpazious
01-20-2010, 11:15 AM
I'm liking the threat range on venom. 10" charge and then drop the spray. I think that they could have more potential than pistol wraiths. We'll have to see how things pan out.
You can only perform Melee attacks after a charge, and yes, they do have FAR more potential than Pistol Wraiths... which still leads me to question why Pistol Wraiths are 3 pts and not 2. I believe, PWs are clearly worth less than 3 points... but that is for another thread. :)
yankeefan
01-20-2010, 11:15 AM
for 6 points i can get 6 venoms thrown around. tacticly sound? maybe not but very fun none the less.
Loveless
01-20-2010, 11:17 AM
Heh...everytime I think I'm out, Cryx drags me back in again.
I love the little snippet of art on her card...makes me hopeful for the model. Sooooo many shenanigans I could do with this solo...
I may have to revisit my old Cryx plans when the Siren and the new Denny model come out...
mattmlo
01-20-2010, 11:19 AM
I personnally do not like Power booster that much (ie: I don't figth alot of disruption and I don't field much heavy apart from: Seether, DJ).
But My meta doesn't have any swans or RoS
I kinda agree. However I am not disappointed with this model at all. Very impressive with venom and shadow bind.
DarkTemplars
01-20-2010, 11:32 AM
Yeah...my bad. Missed the part where it has to be a melee special attack after a charge. But even then it has a pretty high threat range for a single cryx model.
Rave0183
01-20-2010, 11:35 AM
you cant charge and magic ability.... can you?
It is a special attack. But it is not a weapon special attack. So no charge and spray
InitialDEARS
01-20-2010, 11:38 AM
A "caster" solo w/ a decent weapon? sign me in! W/ shadow bind it's like she got 4 spells
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 11:41 AM
Heck, yeah. With SPD 7, it will be easy-peasy to send her in from 9" away, get a hit on a Heavy, then let some heavy hitter go to town.
--W@L
Is this a possible counter for Enliven?
Have the warwitch charge in and Shadow Bind the jack so it can't get the Enliven move, then charge in your heavy to take it down
Ghyrrshyld
01-20-2010, 11:46 AM
Is this a possible counter for Enliven?
Have the warwitch charge in and Shadow Bind the jack so it can't get the Enliven move, then charge in your heavy to take it down
She is MAT 5?
Maybe on a heavy, but anything else, the odds get a bit uglier.
Jyggdrasil
01-20-2010, 11:48 AM
Indeed. That, and her lack of fearless, are the only things that give me pause. Then again, she is only 2pts.
Malfunction
01-20-2010, 11:52 AM
She is really great!!!!
I know a I like a unit/solo when I don't really have to think how it will be used or fit into my armies. I can't think of a single caster that this solo would not work well with.
Thanks PP!
yankeefan
01-20-2010, 12:17 PM
Indeed. That, and her lack of fearless, are the only things that give me pause. Then again, she is only 2pts.
while its not amazing a cmd of 9 aint to shabby either.
azaminkor
01-20-2010, 12:19 PM
I wish her MAT was higher. With MAT 5 her melee attack is practically useless. sigh. Still I am probably going to buy 2.
Tuckers
01-20-2010, 12:22 PM
I am very pleased. >.<
yankeefan
01-20-2010, 12:24 PM
I wish her MAT was higher. With MAT 5 her melee attack is practically useless. sigh. Still I am probably going to buy 2.
well she can hit some heavies and has reach so its not totally useless
Jobble
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
Yea, the lack of fearless is a bit of a bummer but in our own army she'll only need to worry about abominations.
I too am more concerned about the MAT 5. It is only useful against jacks but then again if there are troops I am going to be using Venom anyway.
With the Skarlock, DJ, Seether, souls and now the Siren we are practically swimming in free focus. I like that.
Writer@Large
01-20-2010, 12:28 PM
I wish her MAT was higher. With MAT 5 her melee attack is practically useless. sigh. Still I am probably going to buy 2.
The way I see it, she's not designed to hit things with her weapon. It's nice she has it, but 90% of the time I'll probably be wanting to perform a Magic Attack, with its much more respectible 7.
--W@L
mantanza
01-20-2010, 12:29 PM
Not to mention Cryx has a number of ways to lower defense if this is an important part of your turn.
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 12:30 PM
Her MAT/melee attack isn't why your really taking her anyway. If facing infantry/solos your better using Venom attack. If she is facing a jack, Shadow Bind can help tie up a non-reach heavy which MAT 5 will typically be able to hit anyway.
blakeh1
01-20-2010, 12:32 PM
I forget, how does Shadow Bind interact with knocked down models. Can they still stand?
InitialDEARS
01-20-2010, 12:35 PM
yes they can, they still have their movement to sacrifice but just can't advance
azaminkor
01-20-2010, 12:38 PM
I was hoping that she'd be two points. Seduction has some nice implications for steam roller.
DemonCalibre
01-20-2010, 12:53 PM
Personally, I am salavating over power booster, it tech particularly with with the Corruptor, It's primary targets generally don't need boosted damage rolls, so the one focus from her to boost the hit, is cash money.
I can see some tech with the Reaper as well, but that is a tougher sell. The Reaper wants two focus for the Harpoon one to boost to hit, and one to boost to damage, one or the other makes it's super dicey unless your helping mr. Reaper out with some Armor/Defense debuffs.
ArchonXVI
01-20-2010, 01:03 PM
Out of curiousity; which three-point solos is she outclassing? Eyriss? Pistolwraiths? Uhh... I can't think of all that many more that are really ever taken.
What about her is so good?
Ghyrrshyld
01-20-2010, 01:06 PM
Out of curiousity; which three-point solos is she outclassing? Eyriss? Pistolwraiths? Uhh... I can't think of all that many more that are really ever taken.
What about her is so good?
Narn. And no, she doesn't outclass him for sure.
Also, I don't think she "outclasses" any of the Retribution 2 point solos either. Maybe Ghost Snipers?
ArchonXVI
01-20-2010, 01:14 PM
That was mostly in response to Sevwall's concerns that most 3pt solos were worse than 2 pt solos... something I do not personally see.
her power booster will save some focus allocation to get an arcnode chicken running, which especially denny will appreciate. and with scourge and a 12'' charge on a key target you can pin it down and setup modells for a charge next turn or just put them out of play for one round which even shake off cant counter.
also nice with morty for jacks like slayer for an extra focus.
venom is great for coven which lack anti infantry spells and can build a decent all/most stealth lists where sirens will perfectly fit in. i will test two of them in my termy list trying to replace my nyss hunter in there for the ranged soulgathering in termies feat turn.
seduction will be highly situational and the least useful imo, but maybe thats because i dont see the corruptor as useful as some others here (not even combined with siren).
for 2 points she is an excellent solo and will most likely replace my skarlock in some of my lists.
ResurrectioN
01-20-2010, 01:29 PM
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Ghyrrshyld
01-20-2010, 01:33 PM
That was mostly in response to Sevwall's concerns that most 3pt solos were worse than 2 pt solos... something I do not personally see.
Well, the Squire is 2 points, so it's probably true in that instance.
jonconcarne
01-20-2010, 01:33 PM
Nope.
You have to charge using melee attack.
If you're referring to Gorg, I think he was talking about a melee charge to shadowbind a target, which does work at 12" due to spd 7 + 3" charge + 2" reach. Venom on the Siren has a 15" range from spd 7 + spr 8.
Silopolis
01-20-2010, 01:39 PM
When I use Pistol Wraiths, they tended to shoot, often miss, and then die the next round. Given the one round of Death Chill they might put out, they didn't often seem worth 3 points. They were WAY worth their Mk.I points.
These witches seem awesome. I love the Power Booster ability, and I was eyeing Retribution's Arcanists for that. Seduction seems fun, if a little fiddly with the B2B requirement... though I suppose Stealth with get her there.
I am missing some of the excitement about Shadow Bind, though. I mean, it's nice to stall a jack, but then the next round, she's paste. Then again, I suppose it's better that she get pasted than something more valuable, and, well, better I lose a 2-point model to that than the aforementioned Pistol Wraith.
Demeritus
01-20-2010, 01:41 PM
Seduction on her is going to be rough since she has free strike immunity. She and the Corruptor will probably become best friends.
This will be an interesting model to fight but I have to say I'm a bit envious. Hats off to my Cryxian rivals on this one.
ResurrectioN
01-20-2010, 01:44 PM
If you're referring to Gorg, I think he was talking about a melee charge to shadowbind a target, which does work at 12" due to spd 7 + 3" charge + 2" reach. Venom on the Siren has a 15" range from spd 7 + spr 8.
I responded to Tionas' post on previous page (browser showed it as last so i didn't bother to quote.)
Rygar
01-20-2010, 01:57 PM
Ghyrrshyld, do you do anything other than doomsay and lament on how green someone else's grass is? This is fantastic solo and many people have pointed out many useful situations for her and you continue to act as if she is terrible and the squire is way better (also, I'll take a Siren over a squire any day.)
So, awesome solo is awesome. I'm getting two, or possibly four for those rare and hilarious 100 point games. So many fantastic uses for her
goreshde
01-20-2010, 02:15 PM
Is this a possible counter for Enliven?
Have the warwitch charge in and Shadow Bind the jack so it can't get the Enliven move, then charge in your heavy to take it down
Yes, this is an incredible counter for Enliven. Oh man, this more than anything else is what makes me so excited. What percentage of your games do you have to face a enlivened Avatar while hitting Menoth. In the past 4 games I played against them this week, I hit it 3 times.
:-) this makes me happy.
allistorpreist
01-20-2010, 02:21 PM
When I use Pistol Wraiths, they tended to shoot, often miss, and then die the next round. Given the one round of Death Chill they might put out, they didn't often seem worth 3 points. They were WAY worth their Mk.I points.
While I personally agree that pwraiths should be 2 points with the rise of magic weapons in the game, what are you shooting at that that often miss? An average attack roll from them should be hitting def 14. Unless you are hunting gun mages or Elryss with them, you should be hitting at least half the time.
Sabin
01-20-2010, 02:24 PM
http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_front_small.jpg (http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_front.jpg)http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_back_small.jpg (http://www.captainspud.com/stuff/warwitch_siren_back.jpg)
(Stole links from Captainspud since his were WAY better than mine)
Woah... not one auto-include but two, this if friggen amazing!
My only question is why would you ever field cephallax overlords over two of these...
Vondell
01-20-2010, 02:40 PM
you cant charge and magic ability.... can you?
Unfortunately, no. :(
But, you can charge, bind, and let something else schmack it around a bit then watch it turn and glare at whatever else just hit it since it won't be able to move.
I do wish she had a "maniacal laugh button" I could press anytime she did that or anything else fun like the Seduction/Corruptor bit.
SkinnyGuy
01-20-2010, 02:51 PM
This is very very nice. I'm so glad it has full out Seduction and not Influence, seriously. It's not quite the full out Cryxian Jr I dreamed up, but it's damn close. Consider me sold.
Rygar
01-20-2010, 02:53 PM
This is very very nice. I'm so glad it has full out Seduction and not Influence, seriously. It's not quite the full out Cryxian Jr I dreamed up, but it's damn close. Consider me sold.
I would argue, that for our faction, she is better than a JWC. She is cheaper, and Power Booster'ing someone else's jacks is, IMO, more efficient for us than running her own. We dont really have the sort of Jacks that a JWC would run well.
Also, she got our own version of that one spell we'd like to be in every list. Plus she has a slew of other useful abilities.
hauntingexperience
01-20-2010, 02:54 PM
I'll be using the "maniacal laughter" ability a lot more now. This is exactly what I was looking for. Every last bit is awsome.
Ranged damage - Venom, check
Enemy Movement - Seduction, check
Jack marshal/equivalent - Power boost, check
Stealth - check
Reach - check
FA more than 1 - check
Hott model with a badass sword - check!!!
<3 PP stole my wallet yet again
2LiveIs2Die
01-20-2010, 03:11 PM
Wow.......
Bearded Dragon
01-20-2010, 03:49 PM
Freaking sweet rules on her. Now if the Mercenary book puts out an A level mercenary who will work for Cryx and not Cygnar, my dreams will be fulfilled...for the moment.
I really hope the model is nice because I am really happy with the rules for her. Very useful but not overpowered. The ability to give something against Enliven is great, Venom is excellent for warcasters who don't have much anti-infantry option and seduction is good for just doing oddball things to screw with the enemy. Being able to hand out a focus and remove disruption is handy, even more so for bonejacks.
Onimura
01-20-2010, 04:01 PM
SO denny gets a little sister and I have to say that this is awesome, I'm already seeing the bonus to having them when the Combine manages to make a new jack, sure its Atonimus...BUT denny sister one puts a focus on it and suddenly that doesn't matter so much.
fuzzypants
01-20-2010, 04:03 PM
i love the prospect of seducing a bokur into melee with its client aka the enemy caster then hitting it seven times with influence from denegrha
makes me all warm in side it does
SkinnyGuy
01-20-2010, 04:11 PM
I would argue, that for our faction, she is better than a JWC. She is cheaper, and Power Booster'ing someone else's jacks is, IMO, more efficient for us than running her own. We dont really have the sort of Jacks that a JWC would run well.
Also, she got our own version of that one spell we'd like to be in every list. Plus she has a slew of other useful abilities.
The cost is definitely a plus, that much is absolutely true. On the other hand you dunno what exactly I was dreaming about! :p
Still, it's so nice to finally see a Cryx model I know I immediately want. The Ripjaw I currently have 0 excitement for and the Corruptor is iffy at best despite the coolness of the meatnode. This, however, is total win, period. Lots of potential uses.
McCryx
01-20-2010, 04:38 PM
I love them. I'm going to convert my denny into a siren and then buy the alt sculpt.
Corpazious
01-20-2010, 04:39 PM
Freaking sweet rules on her. Now if the Mercenary book puts out an A level mercenary who will work for Cryx and not Cygnar, my dreams will be fulfilled...for the moment.
Oh hellfire yeah!
For balance, my own dreams are for an A level Mercenary that will work ONLY for Cryx (and Merc contracts), but I'll settle for one that works for everyone BUT Cygnar. :p
Typhael
01-20-2010, 05:43 PM
Oh hellfire yeah!
For balance, my own dreams are for an A level Mercenary that will work ONLY for Cryx (and Merc contracts), but I'll settle for one that works for everyone BUT Cygnar. :p
Yes...that would indeed make me cry tears of pure necrotite joy.
Still, it's so nice to finally see a Cryx model I know I immediately want. The Ripjaw I currently have 0 excitement for and the Corruptor is iffy at best despite the coolness of the meatnode. This, however, is total win, period. Lots of potential uses.
Don't you dare forget the Bane Thrall UA! :D Auto-want.
I love them. I'm going to convert my denny into a siren and then buy the alt sculpt.
I was thinking of using an Umbral Assassin as the base model, and popping the Umbral Warrior's head onto it as a temporary proxy solution. It's not the same nigh-naked goodness of the Siren, but it carries a big sword and has that helmet-y look.
Kaptain Von
01-20-2010, 06:44 PM
I would argue, that for our faction, she is better than a JWC. She is cheaper, and Power Booster'ing someone else's jacks is, IMO, more efficient for us than running her own. We dont really have the sort of Jacks that a JWC would run well.
Also, she got our own version of that one spell we'd like to be in every list. Plus she has a slew of other useful abilities.
Journeymen run 'jacks?
I thought their gig was "cast Arcane Shield on Storm Lances, upkeep, hide".
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