How'd you do in Resurgance?

[LordGrimlok]

Stolen from the Cryx forum. ..
Curious with what people brought and how Menites did. Sorry to say that my work kept me from attending. My local group enjoyed it enough though, and another tournament based on the format will be held next month.

So... What was your list? Who did you face, and what gave you trouble?

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

We had a tri-city Resurgence tournament in Oklahoma City this weekend between Tulsa (my group), OKC and somewhere in Texas.

Before I start bragging, there were a lot of tough competitors in this event and none of them made it easy.

I ran Reznik and took the Champion and Protectorate coin out of 23 people. We had 5 rounds: 1st round- 25pts, 2nd round - 35pts, 3rd-5th round - 50pts.

Let me take this thread to say that all the people who don't consider Reznik competitive in tournament format need to be put on a Wrack. With the right army support, he is an absolute terror. Here were my lists:

25pts.

Reznik
Reckoner
Vanquisher
Choir (min.)
Bastions (max.)
Vassal (2)

35pts.

add Avatar

50pts.

add Sunburst
bump Choir to max.
add Rhoven and Bodyguards
add Repenter

And here is the rundown of my games:

Game 1 vs. Sorscha
She died to a Vanquisher shot and a Bastion freestrike

Game 2 vs. Epic Caine
Caine was Gazed by the Avatar, Gatecrashed to a camping Reznik sitting in melee with Boomhowler's boys and only put one damage on him after feating. Reznik smiled at his attempt and wracked him easily.

Game 3 vs. Zerkova
First of all, her feat is STUPID. She tried for a spell assassination and Reznik Witch Hounded behind a Bastion to block the rest of her attacks. Next turn the Bastions moved and Reznik wracked Zherkova.

Game 4 vs. Epic Skarre
She died to a boosted Reckoner and Vanquisher shot on the second turn.

Championship game vs. Butcher
This was a brawl and my hardest game. I took out Beast 09 and Drago second turn (barely) then the Kodiak on third turn. I Gazed Butcher with an Enlivened Avatar to keep him away from Reznik. The Butcher charged the Avatar, taking out his Movement in one swing, then the Avatar backed off. The Avatar got all of his focus next turn, walked up to Butcher and started swinging, leaving him with 2 or 3 boxes left. The Vassal gave him an extra attack for the victory.

This list was brutality and denial all mixed into one. I would have to say it's biggest problem though were the Hunters in the Epic Caine game. All of my Bastions except one fell. And Magic Bullet killed one of my Vassals on the first turn! Also, Boomhowler and Co. are an amazing unit in MK2.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank all of the players from OKC and Texas that participated in the tournament. Thanks to JD (Zengoth) for running it and inviting us. And thanks to Stephen (sorry if I spelled it wrong) for a violent championship game.

[Invader Larb]

Congratulations Exemlar's Gaze! Top place in a 23 person event is no small feat. I'm glad you did it with my favorite caster too. By thew way, in the last game did the Avatar have Ignite or Battle Hymn when it went after Orsus?

[thesama]

Of course you won. You were using both a Vanquisher and a Reckoner.

You should really give you opponents at least a glimmer of hope.

Wish I could have got out to play in our local resurgence event, but circumstances conspired against me.

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

It was Battle hymned, Invader Larb. I was going to Ignite it, but I was about 13 inches away. Butcher is one caster I didn't want to get close to unless I knew I would get the kill, and Reznik was having fun demolishing the Kodiak that last turn :)

And I took them both, because they are the best at what they do. Reckoner and Avatar were there to take down hard targets (and there was a lot of Khador) and the Vanquisher was a godsend against infantry (against McThralls and Necrosurgeon in game 4, and it killed all of the Kayazy Assassins, getting a deviation to the 1 5in. on turn 1 in game 1, and Doom Reavers in games 3 and 5).

[Stevo]

I won our local tournament. I took Kreoss. I went 2-0-1, and won both the champion coin and the faction coin. Both my wins were caster kills featuring the Repenter's Flamethrower. I set both Zerkova and Ashlynn on fire and they died in their next Maintenance Phase.

[Kypt]

I won our local one as well. Took Sevy. Went 3 - 0.

First was vs Durgen, ended up dying to Reckoner/Vanquisher shots. One thing that I can say about this game is that Boomhowler is now amazing. Those trolls took close to 4 ashes to ashes and still managed to lose only 2-3 models due to super-tough and Durgen's spell.

Second was Vayl. Would've died to incited Seraph fire, except he only rolled 2 attacks. Vayl died to Vanquisher blast damage followed by pSevy spending all focus on immolation.

Lastly was Kaelyssa. Forgot she could give any one of her jacks the ability to see through models and popped 10 damage to Sevy almost killing him. Only reason I took the gold was that he left a jack within about 2.5 inches from her to protect her and missed my Seneschal hiding behind my temple flame guard. When my turn came I knew I needed to set up the chain attack. I hit all 3 times and prayed for a 5 or 6 for the slam (anything less and it wouldn't touch her). I rolled a 6 and she was knocked down. After popping eSevy's feat I tried to assassinate via spells but couldn't deal enough damage. After clearing a charge lane, one Bastion finished her off on the charge. If for any reason assassination would've failed I would've died to about 7 different threats though. Overall it was a very fun weekend.

[der13manner]

I think I took 5th at my local resurgence with Reznik out of 21 people (I won my last game, which I was playing at the 3rd table) with a 4 wins / 1 loss record. My list was:

Reznik
-Devout
-Templar
Full TFG + UA
Full Bastions
Min Choir

At 35pts:
Vanquisher
Vassal

At 50 pts:
Avatar
Vassal
Covenant of Menoth

Round 1:

Fought a regular stryker list - I got first turn, ran across the table and managed to tie him up in the back zone long enough to win by Scenario

Round 2:

Lost to the Witch Coven. It was a pretty even fight with alot of careful manuvering and denial (2 pistal wraths + spells were shutting down my jack advance, but no one was able to take the middle). I tried to get creative with perdition, putting myself a bit too close to a Seether, and he ghost walked over to Reznik, killing him in one go - stupid Cryx.

Round 3:
My opponent was a good friend (who played at masters at PAX), who was playing a Rahn tiered list. It was a pretty bloody battle, but my dice were a little hotter, and it saw most of his army die to fire and TFG. Killed Rahn by freeing the bastions up from a Pheonix with Reznik, and charging in with them after firing the Vanquisher at him.

Round 4:
Played eStryker in this round. My opponent (which is normally an excellent player, and has won the local tournaments a few times himself) left Stryker open, believing that Rowdy was going to counter charge my Vanquisher (I think) or that I wouldn't be able to kill him with it - Templar used Iron agression to charge rowdy, 2 shots from the Vanquisher later (his normal one with boosted attack and damage, then a lucky hit off the vassal's ancillary), Stryker was a pile of ash. That's what you get for trying to siege Sul!

Round 5:
Played against Lich Lord Terminous at the 3rd table - tables were determined by victory points, going in I was in 5th place with the same win/loss ratio as the top 6 players. Anyways, Terminous thought he was safe camping 13 focus, but my opponent forgot Reznik's feat, and was so executed in a very personal manner.

Anyways, I felt pretty good about the day over all - I didn't get my faction coin (the guy that won the 2nd table was a Menoth player :( ), but I did have the 3rd best overall record for the day, and beat the best Retribution and Cygnar player (3rd and 4th rounds), so I can't say I did badly :)

Gerrick

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

Good job, everyone!

[darisus]

I also play Reznik in our LGS tourney. It was a 3 round tourney with points being 15-25-35. I brought some experimental things for my lists cause there were some models i wanted to try out and see how they worked.

First game vs Cryx

Reznik
Devout
Templar
Reckoner

We did senarios with our points this one was the one with the 2 circles mid board. i got reznik and his devout in one circle and the templar in the other which he held like a champ. The reckoner took the middle and took potshots at everything till i got a good charge line on his caster(s) the Coven which then died horrible to my reckoner. The spell barrier from the devout basically saved reznik from getting spell assinated and allowed me to have to only deal with his jacks.

Second game vs Cygnar

Reznik
Templar
Vanquisher
Choir(min)
Vassal
Bastions(max)
pEiryss

This was vs eCaine and the cyclone marshaled by some gunmages. It was capture the flag, with my vanquisher and B13th exchanging shots with them killing eiryss and vanq taking out ryan then having caine arcane bullet or whatever to kill my vassal behind my vanq. bastions and templar faced the cyclone and GM for the 2 remaining flag points. Before points could be contested he tried to pistol assinate reznik through a crack in my bastion wall so 9 shots later (+1focus from that squire) the dust cleared and Reznik was still standing with 3 life left. Needless to say eCaine is now spending time on a wrack.

Last game vs Cryx

Reznik
Templar
Vanquisher
Choir(min)
Bastions(max)
Daughters
Kell
First Mate hawk
Vassal
DB&B

I lost this one vs eSkarre, or should i say to her feat. We were playing Killbox and i was hanging in one corner while his Deathjack tore up my Bastions and DB&B were taking out light jacks as prey with daughters and stytaxis raiders going after each teams support. Then he feated and i got to do nothing vs his whole army my next turn but postion. Deathjack wrecked the templar with his bastions soul power, and aperditioned Harrower gota charge on Reznik and then proceeded to squish him. I will say my dice were stone cold that game and his were on fire. He only rolled less than 9 on 2 dice 3 times the entire game, how do you compete with that.

I tied with another Menoth Player for the coin and lost the roll-off, making me a sad panda but i had a blast.

[Avatar8481]

I took an eFeora list to our local event, which didn't follow all the resurgence rules (no escalating points).

I lost my first round in 3 turns to a Karchev list that surprised me since I'd never played against him. Second round I got a lucky kill on pHaley with a double boosted Vanquisher shot. Third round I got a caster kill from maintenance phase fire on pSorcha against an underpointed new player (however, my 5 points of bastions never did anything so actual combat forces were the same.)

I was impressed given that it was my first competitive WM event, and probably could have done better against Karchev if I'd known what was going on.

[Gavriel]

Wow I'm surprised at how many people played Reznik. He didn't come up at all in the discussions here previous to the competition. Sounds to me like we may need to reassess who our best casters are. :)

[Cleveland]

Reznik is who I am leaning on using now that I have had a chance to really look at him...I was thinking about taking him with a Reckoner at least, but looking at that list with the Vanquisher as well, I might have to try that list also...

our Resurgence event isn't until the 12th, so I am going to troll the forums for some good list ideas so that I can do well at that event...

[der13manner]

In my opinion, the changes made to Reznik made him a far more solid cast than he was before. It adds an interesting denial element (Witch Hound) along with a solid late game brawler of a caster with 2 good upkeeps (Iron Agression and Ignite) and some great suprise moves (Perdition). It makes it very easy to run 2 heavy jacks effectively, and do some unexpected things in the game.

Besides, you should try a Templar with Iron Agression, it's just fantastic.

[Soylent]

In my opinion, the changes made to Reznik made him a far more solid cast than he was before. It adds an interesting denial element (Witch Hound) along with a solid late game brawler of a caster with 2 good upkeeps (Iron Agression and Ignite) and some great suprise moves (Perdition). It makes it very easy to run 2 heavy jacks effectively, and do some unexpected things in the game.

Besides, you should try a Templar with Iron Agression, it's just fantastic.


I think the changes to jacks made him far more solid. I think his spell list was a sidegrade that was just cleaner.

[Bastion5]

In my opinion, the changes made to Reznik made him a far more solid cast than he was before. It adds an interesting denial element (Witch Hound) along with a solid late game brawler of a caster with 2 good upkeeps (Iron Agression and Ignite) and some great suprise moves (Perdition). It makes it very easy to run 2 heavy jacks effectively, and do some unexpected things in the game.

Besides, you should try a Templar with Iron Agression, it's just fantastic.

also too in my opinion i like using a templar with reznik (Ignite + Infuse = 21)
"Hey juggernaught!"
"yeah?"
*boosts damage roll*
"This plus 1"

same with crusader, avatar, etc...

[Steampunk Jim]

You shouldn't EVER be boosting damage rolls like that my friend :)

[Ganmeyde]

You shouldn't EVER be boosting damage rolls like that my friend :)
this.

Anything more than dice minus three or four and you should be buying more attacks. :p

[Creaux]

Only challenge to this (very true) wisdom comes when you probably won't kill it and are fishing for knocking out systems, perhaps?

[Zembar]

Or a high Def target.

[Soylent]

this.

Anything more than dice minus three or four and you should be buying more attacks. :p


Unless your target is the Thunderhead.

[malfred]

Now you're making me want to play Protectorate at Resurgence only to come here to report my losses!

[argent]

My armies were:

Rnd 1
pFeora
Castigator
Redeemer
Devout
TFG w/ UA
Choir
Zealots
Reclaimer
Eiryss

Rnd 2
Switch to eFeora
Switch to eEyriss
Add:
Monolith Bearer
Vengers
Vassal

Rnd 3
Add:
Reckoner
Errants
Wracks
Aiyana & Holt
Carvolo
Anastasia


I got smoked (0-1-2). In my defense, I haven't played in a tournament since June during the Field Test, and I played Khador for that, so I am pretty rusty with my Menoth.

First round was against a jack heavy Darius army w/ pFeora. I underestimated how dangerous a Defender is at range (and yes, I had a Devout, but I got stupid and let Feora wander away from it). Also found out how ugly a 5 man Arcane Inferno from the ever-present ATGM's is (question: did anyone who faced Cygnar NOT have them play the Gun Mages?) Between the two, she got beat down really badly. I had a shot at a comeback by using Eyriss to lock the big man down after slamming his jack into him, but I found out the hard way that Eyriss no longer has Bayonet Charge and missed the Disruption shot by 1/4" I'm also pretty sure my Castigator scrapped his Stormclad, but he brought it back with Darius' feat. One last Defender shot and she was down. Game 1.

Second round was against a jack heavy Kraye army w/ eFeora; same Sentinel and Defender, same ATGM w/ UA. The highlight of this game was using a full unit of Vengers and eEyriss (no focus for you!) to tie up my opponent's Defender and Hunter almost the whole game while I caved in his over-extended right side. I almost won that one, and would have if I could throw an 8 to save my life (eEyriss was in Melee w/ Kraye). As it was, the Vengers charged him while camping focus and Arcane Shielded and had him down to 3-4 hit points. My Castigator also destroyed one of his warjacks (I don't remember which, but I am thinking it was a T-Head). When the control points were (erroneously, I came to understand later) tallied, we had tied.

Final round was against pButcher, and, between my opponent's crazy-good dice that refused to roll below a 5 (he made at least 7 of 8 Tough checks), the Kayazy (that I found out are disgustingly powerful; granted his dice were very good, but they did in a whole unit of Cavalry that got the charge on them and the better part of my Errants in two rounds!), and a number of errors that generally benefitted him (Tough checks for the Winterguard after the Fire check; quad iron extending into my back field 16"-18" past all intervening models and forgetting to set the clock), I abdicated the game. Despite the way it sounds, I am not implying that anyone cheated; I think it came from the fact that we both have been away from the game for a long time, it had been a long day, and it is more dangerous to think one knows what something does than not knowing at all (see the Eyriss situation in round 1).

My MVP was my Castigator. I love that thing!! Whether its beating down other warjacks with POW 20 fists (Ignite and Infuse) or clearing out swaths of infantry with Combustion, it makes its points back and then some. eEyriss also deserves special mention. Disruption, upkeep dissolution, and focus allocation blocking; what's not to love?)

My least favorite models were....damn near everything else with the exception of my TFG and my jack support units (reclaimer, vassal, Choir). The Vengers shined in the second game, but 5 hit boxes is not sturdy enough. My Errants were a joke, but in all fairness I can't think of any melee unit that would have done well against the Kayazy (Stealth and Def 16 in melee? Really??), but the unit that really did the least was my Zealots. The only thing they did reliably was die so that my Reclaimer got lots of soul tokens for the warjacks. In the last round I shot their minifeat and found out that Aiyana can give magical attacks to a whole unit (in this case the aforementioned brick of Winterguard). Bye bye, Zealots. I can see how they might provide a roadblock for a round with the minifeat, but not having any defense against magical attacks other than spells gimps this badly. In general, given the extremely shooty meta that seems to be developing, anything with a Def of 12 can generally just line up at the morgue.

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

To be honest, Argent, the jacks you brought - with the exception of the Reckoner in your last list, are probably the worst in our arsenal now. And they are still solid jacks, which says something about our warjacks in general. Zealots are a timed turn nightmare but still a solid unit in casual play. Errants are tricky, and I use them more to tie up a front line than to actually kill stuff, which they will do anyway being weaponmasters. I went with Bastions because they are a small unit that can take down heavy targets and murder infantry (they smash into and kill the front line, weather the retaliation, then murder the retaliators). Overall it was just a really well-balanced list. If you are interested in trying Reznik, I recommend giving it a go.

[argent]

I thought about Reznik, but went with eFeora for the across the board speed boost. That hosed me in the first round because pFeora is not my first choice against a 'jack-heavy Darius list. As far as the Redeemer, I don't own a Vanquisher <yet>, so I went with the 'jack that I typically used with her in MK I. Being bonded to eFeora, he spread enough warmth around, but the Tough rolls after failing to put out the fires (which I found out later he shouldn't have gotten), saved virtually all of the affected troops. In retrospect, I couldn't tell you why I took the Devout other than habit, although I liked the idea of blocking spells, if anyone had bothered to cast them on Feora.

[Soylent]

pFeora does decent against jack armies. It's just that her feat isn't as spectacular(still useful against the JMWC, ATGM and B13. Ignite goes a long ways, especially when coupled with Battle Hymn. I like Zealots, a lot, but I find that I need a little heavier hitting with both Feoras as they can usually handle troops just fine.

[zengoth]

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank all of the players from OKC and Texas that participated in the tournament. Thanks to JD (Zengoth) for running it and inviting us. And thanks to Stephen (sorry if I spelled it wrong) for a violent championship game.

Glad to do it E_G. And glad a fellow Menite took the crown if OKC couldn't get it done...!

[Marius]

Unless your target is the Thunderhead.

Or if your target has Enliven on it.

[Cannotcope]

The local Resurge-Tourney was run in a very different format, which unfortunately allowed me to end up a game down vs the majority of the field. Still, eKreoss smashed face and took names, killing Karchev, Fiona, Seige while pulling off a tie with eCaine, for a solid top third finish. Sadly, I switched to eFeora for one game and hit a bad match-up against the Terminus player who took over all. If I had stuck to my eKreoss list, there was a good chance I would have won that game (at least that was my opponent's opinion).

If I had managed to get in the missing game, there was a decent chance of taking the coin and finishing top 3.

[bluecardinal]

It looks like I'm going to be able to participate in one in February. Its a toss up between the High Reclaimer and Reznik. Based on everyone's results, it looks like Reznik is a good candidate but I have an affinity for the silent one.

What do you guys think, the High Reclaimer or the big fella Reznik? Between the two of them, they're my most experienced casters but that's not saying much. The other thing is scenarios, I strictly play caster kill and don't have a lot of experience with win conditions.

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

Well both versions of the High Reclaimer excel at assassination. The High Reclaimer bringing back a group of weaponmasters in the opposing caster's back arc, or the Testament giving his weaponmasters the ability to charge the opposing caster from wherever they want.

As for Reznik, I went for caster kill the whole tournament and it worked out pretty well, as Reznik tends to be the most aggressive out of our casters.

[Makowolf]

Exemplars Gaze I just added up the points for your 50pt list and unless I've make a counting error it only comes to 47pts. What did you spend those last 3pts on? Or did you take the coin with a slight handicap?

MW

[Soylent]

We had 12 players doing 25/35/50. I went 3-0, overall win. I'll do write ups tomorrow for eKreoss but will give a brief overview.

First match

Kreoss
-Vanquisher
KE
KE
Daughters
Choir(min)
Vassal
pEiryss

vs pButcher
Assassination with the Daughters third round.


Second match

eKreoss
-Vanquisher
Avatar
KE
KE
Daughters
Choir(min)
Vassal
pEiryss

vs pSevy
Scenario win fourth round.

Third match

eKreoss
-Vanquisher
-Dervish
Avatar
KE
KE
Daughters
Choir(max)
Vassal
Vassal
Covenant
Saxon Orrik
eEiryss
Gorman

vs Kromac
Scenario win fourth round.

[dicegod]

@argent - Darius' feat doesn't return scrapped warjacks to play anymore.

[paradox]

I did pretty damned terrible! :D I ran Feora/epic Feora and came in 7th of 8.

List:

Feora
-crusader
-reckoner
-vanquisher
cleansers
deliverers
min choir

Played vs a Denny list. Crippling Grasp + feat + Reaper dragging jack plus his speed vs my lack thereof combined so that on turn 3 he scored 3 pts to my 1, giving him the lead. I couldn't recover after that, even though I had a decent shot at dropping Denny. Lost via scenario 7-4.

At 50pts add:
Epic Feora
Avatar
fill choir to max
wracks
vassal

Played vs Abyslonia with requisite angelius and Typhon. Even post Friday nerf, she is a pretty amazing warlock. Once again his speed vs mine worked against me and I wasn't able to put enough into the zones to prevent him pulling ahead in points. Some bad rolls added to this, as did some bad placements (I thought I just need a model in the zone, not completely in) and I lost again on scenario 7-3. It was funny to see Abyslonia running far away from epic Feora though. He a regular opponent of mine, so his policy is to keep more than 14" away from the flame queen.

At 75pts add:
-Fire of Salvation
TFG+UA
daughters
2nd vassal

Played vs a Nemo list. This time the daughters and TFG gave me plenty of speed and bodies to shove into zones early. He hit me hard with a pair of stormclads and two stormblade units + a stormguard unit and Alexia. Lots of bodies. I cleaned up the jacks and cleared out his forces (the deliverers handled Alexia pretty well) and got a bead on Nemo. I changed epic Feora through a gap in the fight and over a wreck marker to hit Strangeways. The plan was to complete the charge, feat, fire step and cleave Nemo (who had no focus or spells up). Well, I failed the charge by a butthair! No feat or spells for me!
This left Feora at 9 health (I'd taken a hit earlier) with ARM20 in front of what was left of the Cygnar army, including an 11 focus Nemo. I survived his Lancer charge with 5 focus and the STR buff, leaving me at 4 health. Toss some more fire out, feat, fire step and smash Nemo's face in.
Win via caster kill. I think we were 3-2 on CPs (I was in the lead for once).

1-2 on the day, and the last win was a good deal of luck after the inital run failed!
I liked the heavy hitters with troop ranged support. They did plenty of damage, but crossing the board quickly enough was a challenge, apparently.

[Lucas~]

I got smoked. It was a pretty danged lackluster performance. A lot of dumb mistakes. Oh well, was fun. I ran...

pSevvy
Reckoner
Revenger
Full TFG
Full Choir
Vassal
Sunburst
Hierophant
Wracks

+Vanquisher and Paladin
+Avatar and Vilmon

Apparently I can't ever remember to play the scenarios.

1st game I was rolling really well and did a lot of damage but lost by scenario at the end of turn 3. I had everything but 2/3 of my tfg left while he had Denny, 1.5 deathrippers, and a bane thrall. Just dumb of me. eh.

2nd game was against Soylent. He rushed and I didn't push hard enough back. I'll let him write the report but it was pretty lack luster on my end. I think he won at the top of 4, not sure. I did manage to convert one of his KE though! :D moral victories.

3rd game was against Durgen. I finally got the hint and rushed him hard with the TFG as the rest of my army walked up behind and shot/spelled the heck out of him. He made a comeback twords the end killing quite a bit of my stuff, but I ended up getting a scenario win at the beginning of 6 I believe.


So, dissapointed, but ok. They were my first games with pSevvy in MKII, hell...my fist games with him since not long after Escalation released. While I didn't do well, I really like him. If I had done what I had thought I should and taken pEyriss and then upgraded to eEyriss I think it would have made a huge difference getting rid of upkeeps and keeping the casters worried. I really hate taking mercs...eh. Oh well, next time.

[paradox]

I've so far always forgotten to even use Convert with Sevy.

[Exemplar's_Gaze]

Exemplars Gaze I just added up the points for your 50pt list and unless I've make a counting error it only comes to 47pts. What did you spend those last 3pts on? Or did you take the coin with a slight handicap?

MW

I originally had a Devout in the list, but forgot the foam tray that held it! So I substituted the Repenter instead to be a little under points. More impressed now? :P

[WarJack Prime]

I didn't do well but I had lots of fun. I made a mistake and thought we were playing 15, 35 and 50 point games so I built lists accordingly. When I got to my LGS I found out I needed to redo my lists but I didn't have all my models with me, so I was pretty jack heavy at the end.

Since I was going for fun I went with Reznik.

35 Point list
Reznik
-Devout
-Reckoner
-Vanquisher
-Bastions (full)
-Eiryss
-Vassal
-Vassal
-Choir

50 Point list
-Avatar
-Daughters of the Flame

75 Point List
-Castigator
-Repenter
-Choir (full)
-Vilmon
-Aiyana & Holt
-Gorman
-Rupert
-Wrack
-Covenant


I think that's it.

I lost the first game because I went 2nd and his dice were stupid good. I couldn't get my models into the 2nd box. He had Doom Reavers and Widowmakers and I didn't want to run everything up into charge range of the Doomies. Also, he made about 6 of his 8 tough checks on a 4+ under Irusk's feat. I had my Vanquisher trample under Iron Aggression. I "killed" 8 of his IFP only to have him save 6 of them. The maybe two or three that didn't get trampled on free stuck me and wiped the Vanquisher out with stupid high dice rolls.

The highlight was Reznik wracking 2 Ironfang Pikemen (on two separate turns) and then killing the rest of the unit.

My second game I lost but should have won. I could have won if I held Reznik back but I didn't feel like it. It was against Cryx. I got to go first and what a difference that made. My Daughters ran up and on my second turn tied up most of his infantry on his side of the board. They were hard for him to hit with DEF15 but Mechthralls and Satixis got them down. The Avatar took a charge from a Distrupted Seether, who managed to take out two lines of boxes with only 1 focus point. Avey then scrapped him next turn only to have 2 Bane Knights under Skarre's feat wipe it out the next turn. Her feat should have been nerfed. She basically cut herself for 5, used 5 of her 6 free focus from Sacrificial Pawn to heal all that, and still had 7 focus left. Anyway, the Bane Knights were POW16.

I charged his last jack (the new heavy) with Reznik because I wanted him to kill something. That left him with 2 FOC and Skarre walked up, the Devout missed it's defensive strike with MAT6, and she cast Dark Guidance then almost killed him. Then two Bane Knights charged and finished him off.

That was a good game and I knew it was stupid to charge Reznik but at that point I wasn't going to win the coin with a loss so I just had fun. I have three Devouts and none of them will ever see the light of day. They may not be bad, but they just aren't the same as they used to be. They are terrible body guards, so if you bring them just run them up front like a normal jack.

The third game was against Menoth and I won that won. I had an Infused Reckoner assault Severius (holding no focus) and I brained him in one hit. Again, my Daughters were good distractors but never really killed anything. The Devout, again, was just a normal light jack. Nothing special.

[Nicodemus]

Would have won if not for a noob mistake: Forgot Eyriss ends her activation when within 5" of a friendly jack. Instead she hit my Reznik and I wasn't able to recover. I would have taken the last control point for the win if it wasn't for that one stupid mistake.

Still got best Protectorate though.

[gearloop]

Took the win with Sevvy.

We played a 25, 35, 50, 50 and I rolled with Hierarch the last 3 games. While I felt like I was running up hill a bit, I chose him due to the prevalence of undefeated Cryx after round 1. I only ended up playing Cryx in the finals. (why I chose him for Cryx. I like automatically killing the Skarlocks, Pistol Wraiths, and other undead ToO)

My list looked something like this....

Hierarch Sevvy
Revenger
Dervish
Reckoner
Repenter

Full TFG no UA
Choir
Rhoven

Heirophant
Senny
Allegiant
Vassal x2
Reclaimer x2
Wrack

Eiryss
Gorman

Versatile list with lots of tools and tricks. Repenter was the ace in the hole that no one ever saw coming. Assaulting Reckoner with Awareness + Menoths site then ancillary attack.

This kind of list, deployment, advancement, spacing, and order of activation are VERY important for full effectiveness. A good list though.

I just hate how much worse Sevvy's feat is now though.

Glory to Menoth.

[gearloop]

Good to see my old sparring partner is bringing it home on the west coast. Nice job Nathan (Soylent).

[RabiTampa]

funny all the talk about how good the crusader is (which he is) and not a single player who won used him. hmm.

[Zembar]

Lists:

25 Points

pFeora
Reckoner
Vanquisher
min Choir
Daughters of the Flame
Temple Flameguard max
Vassal

35 Points

eFeora
Repenter
Vassal x2
Heirophant
Reclaimer

50 Points

Avatar
Choir min
Covenant

So just returned from ours. Bye first round, Second round vs Scyrah, won by caster kill, he left his caster with no focus with 3 daughters nearby, as well as in range of reckoner and repenter ranged attacks with 2 vassals for an extra shot with each model. Didn't end well for him.

Third round I went up against the other Menoth player who showed up, he had daughters, KEE, Castigator, Reckoner, Severius, wracks, Seneshal, choir, vassal, hiero, revenger. Think that was it, or most of it. I made a few play mistakes(like Feora going to take care of his daughters behind my lines, taking half my jacks out of control range, DOH) and didn't focus enough on scenario, and lost at the end of the 4th round, 1 point to his 9. I killed one of my own models with a spray which was the only contesting model in the 2 point zone which gave him 3 points on the 2nd round on my turn jumping him to the lead, then he got 3 more his turn, then next turn I couldn't contest his backfield zone so he won. But after that we continued to play and I did kill his caster :D with a hail mary attempt with the Vanquisher, two POW 16's (choir buff) AoEs directly his Sev at max range to kill him. Too bad it didn't count for the tournament. :( But was well played and fun for all.

He took both the Tournament and Faction coin, but graciously passed the faction coin to me. :D Can't complain being my first WM tournament.

[knightsbayne]

Zembar! That's who you are...sneaky rascal. I just got back from the same tourney as Zembar. I managed to go 3-0-0 in the tourney, winning by scenario each time. We play 25->35->50. My list was progressively:

pSevy
Revenger
Reckoner
Dervish
Daughters of the Flame
Vassal
Seneshal
Wracks
Choir (min)

Round 2:
+Hierophant
+Eiryss
+Exemplar Errant

Round 3:
Castigator
Knight Exemplars
Paladin of the Wall

First round was against the elves. I finished him off by the end of my third turn. He ran a full heavy jack list, and my sheer numbers were able to win the scenario for me.

Second round was against a pretty good Cryx player running a seether and some other giant jack that I don't know what it's called and Denegra. Sevy came through by killing most of his units with Ashes to Ashes arced around. Eiryss did nothing because the jack I disrupted lost its cortex to my infused reckoner with ancillary attack. My daughters were able to hold up everything left in his units near his inside control zone as well as wipe out his support. Seether got owned by the Reckoner later and, surprisingly, the Dervish didn't do crap in any of my games. (sad face) But my seneshal made the hurting worse when I smote a heavy jack from the edge of the middle control zone.

Last game made me a good bit nervous against Zembar (Menoth). Daughters just ran around for most of it but made it to the Zembar's deployments zone in turn 2 from a double run. They were going to stab some choir and vassals up, but he engaged them with eFeora. Needless to say, they died. But it messed up his synergy by bringing her so far back. Only 2 KEs made it to the Vanquisher and did some decent damage. Not enough to matter, though. The seneshal was brilliant every game and crushed a repenter, playing a little ping pong with the jack. KEEs were great for holding ground, killing his reclaimer and just holding up the middle from turn one. Paladin did jack squat. He sat in the middle making sure to contest it. The dervish got owned by Zembar's Avatar, but the reckoner and Castigator picked up the slack to barely wreck it. Zembar mentioned his mistakes, frying his poor temple guard gave me the middle control point for the rest of the game. I was shaking by the end though when the Avatar charged in. The sweat was a pouring. Great game Zembar!

[RabiTampa]

@knightsbayne:

When you upgraded to the 35 point list, you did use a min squad of Errants, right?

also, why did you not max out the EE and Choir, when you made a 50 point list?

[brimmstorm]

I went 2-2 with Feora/eFeora and won the faction coin. Here is what I played....

Feora
Reckoner
Vanquisher
full TFG w/UA
Knights Exemplar
min Choir

Lost when Feora was killed by a Helldiver against a Mortenbra list when I moved a little to close. Great game against Benesh from Focus and Fury. He got the first strike but I weathered it pretty well and almost wrecked his 2 heavies(a Harrow, and Seether(which I did kill)) in one turn. I should have moved my Choir back and Feora back about a inch and I would have been good I think.

add to 35....
Redeemer(bonded)
Vassal
Vassal

We plaed 2 games at this point level and first was against Cygnar. I lost by moving Feora up just a bit to much. Got shot to death by Haley(who rolled 3 6s for damage, Benesh did the same to Feora in the first round). I was totally dominating the game and he had little left after turn 2 but I got over confident and lost the game because of it.

Next I played against Kreoss. I stayed out of his control area to avoid the pop and drop kill and ended up winning on scenairo when my Knights Exemplar ran in to his deployment zone and he couldn't clear them out before time was called.

going to 50 I added...
Avatar
Covenent
Rhupert

I played against Cygnar again and this time eHaley. I controlled the whole game with my 3 heavies and got the Avatar within 8" of the Avatar and gazed her. At that point she had no where to go since his army was crumbling around him.

Only 3 Menoth players were present and 2-2 was good enough for the coin. I really think I should have been 3-1 but oh well I got to bold with my caster. When the next one rolls around I won't be playing Feora. She doesn't seem to do much for me besides cast Escourt and give focus to 'Jacks.

-brimmstorm

[knightsbayne]

@Rabi:

Given, it wasn't a sure-fire list. It felt a shame to bump up the choir in the 50pt list and waste a good 1pt, so I took a solo. Running only 3 offensive jacks just didn't seem to warrant 6 choir members over a solo (proven wrong, obviously. Go paladins, ugh). I would've fielded another vassal except I only own one. :( Same thing with KEE, I just don't own a full unit (yet, mwhahaha). And I just love KE's, no matter how useless they can be and sometimes are out on their own. Atleast they soak up shots.

[mobiusdeep]

We did the 35-50-75-75 set. I went 2-1-1 in an 11 man field and took the faction coin. The draw came from a rough game with pNemo that ended up running out of time. Had it lasted 15 more minutes, I had a fair chance at crumping him. The loss came against an impressive Cryx list that employed pGoreshade. Due to time constraints and his ability to get in my face and deny my points pretty much made it a foregone conclusion considering the amount of time we had. I had one very good chance to burninate Goreshade to death with arced immolations, but I forgot to activate Rhoven first. Felt like vomiting because it would've given me first.

For reference, my list went as such:

35:
pSeverius
Revenger
Vanquisher
Reckoner
Hierophant
Full Choir
Full TFG + UA
Vassal
Sunburst Crew
Wracks

50:
+Bov
+Avatar
+Vassal

75:
+Revenger
+Daughters
+Cleansers (min)
+Covenant
+Reclaimer
+Rhoven and Co.
+Rhupert


In retrospect, the most useless things I had on the table were the Sunburst Crew and the Cleansers. I can't really see myself running either in future games. The Sunburst, however potentially nifty, doesn't have the forward presence I'd like. It's so easy to move stuff in its way, and you have to plan its activations a turn ahead. I think there's better things to invest 3 points into (Eiryss, mahaps?). In the case of the cleansers, RAT 5 (6 after EoM) still isn't cool enough for me to pay points that could be invested in Deliverers or Daughters. They die to a stiff breeze and are often engaged since intelligent opponents recognize them as inaccurate, soft targets. Lame.

[jandrese]

The sunburst should pretty much always be RAT 7 (8 with EoM) due to rangefinder.

[Sinsation]

My lists, it was a 35/50/75 tourney. I came in first.
Severius
~Vanquisher
~Reckoner
~Revenger
Vassal
Choir
Paladin of the Wall
Zealots (full) + UA
KEE (min)

to 50
~KEE go to full
~Choir goes to full
~Seneschal
~Full bastions

To 75
~Crusader
~Deliverers (full)
~Vilmon
~cleansers (full)

I ran regular Severius all day, and he's awesome. I probably wasn't using him super right (never cast ashes to ashes once, never used convert), but he was a giant support/focus battery.

First game was against regular nemo.
I went first and made a big blunder in positioning and he took out both my choir and my vassal. Turn two, Errants shot a unit of stormblades to death, and on turn three I was able to get off charges on his two stormclads, and great rolls let my vanquisher and errants take them both pretty much out of the game. His lancer was also nearly dead at that point. It had an arc node, but was engaged. It came down to control points.

Second game was against epic haley. Top of turn two he got his feat off, keeping my army really far back, but they were close enough to be able to take out his lancer. A turn later a lucky shot by a reckoner took haley down to one life, and zealots finished it off the following turn. Vanquisher took a huge chunk out of his precursor/gun mage brick. Bastions took out an ironclad, charger, and sentinel.

Final game was against epic Thagrosh.
I was like "oh damn" when I saw his army, but then remembered that my cleansers were immune to nearly all of his range. Nice. My errants were the worst in this match though, getting sprayed by typhon, jumped by a totem hunter, and then hit by something else (seraph?) as well on turn two.
My deliverers went far to one side, out of position but forcing him to the other side. Then I got his typhon and warmongers with my reckoner, vanquisher, and cleansers. His retaliation took my jacks nearly out, leaving them with just their right (melee) arms left. After that it slowed down a bit, and the bastions and deliverers were able to keep putting out damage as a second wave (of sorts). A charging seneschal took Thagrosh down to nearly dead, and a revenger poked him to finish it.

The crusader in the last game did no damage, but he did soak up a huge amount of damage. The bastions were awesome in both games, doing huge amounts of killitude. Cleansers + EoM were awesome, and deliverers are scary nasty, with huge range and a powerful attack and AoE. Good board control ability with that.

[lordofnecropolis]

Haha. Pround to be the only Amon player thus far in this event. My list was as follows:

35:
Amon Ad-Raza
Templar
Templar
Dervish
Dervish
Dervish
Full Deliverers
Min Choir
Min Choir
50:
Crusader
Dervish
Min Choir
Reclaimer
Heirophant
75:
Crusader
Dervish
Full Idrians + UA
Covenant

( I think that's the list. I could be off. Typing from memory.)
I also had a Sevvy/eSevvy list waiting in the wings, but I was having so much fun with Amon and he was performing sooooo well I couldn't switch. Also, alot of stealth on the other side of the board and the sev lists had alot of shooting.

I ended up going 3-0 and getting the chamiponship coin as well as the protectorate coin. Every game ended by my turn three. The first two with a templar walking up to a caster with 3 focus saying "I need a 4 to hit and dice plus 7 on damage" and the third ended with the same scenario but a dervish said it instead. I had alot of fun. Everyone at the event was a pleasant person. no jerks this time.

Glad to hear there's alot of winning in our faction. good job guys.

[Soylent]

Way to go gearloop. Especially with the Senny and Repenter.


funny all the talk about how good the crusader is (which he is) and not a single player who won used him. hmm.

I love the Crusader but not in every list with every caster. It's one of my go-to's for Amon and eFeora.

[galonso]

Took the win with Sevvy.

We played a 25, 35, 50, 50 and I rolled with Hierarch the last 3 games. While I felt like I was running up hill a bit, I chose him due to the prevalence of undefeated Cryx after round 1. I only ended up playing Cryx in the finals. (why I chose him for Cryx. I like automatically killing the Skarlocks, Pistol Wraiths, and other undead ToO)

My list looked something like this....

Hierarch Sevvy
Revenger
Dervish
Reckoner
Repenter

Full TFG no UA
Choir
Rhoven

Heirophant
Senny
Allegiant
Vassal x2
Reclaimer x2
Wrack

Eiryss
Gorman

Versatile list with lots of tools and tricks. Repenter was the ace in the hole that no one ever saw coming. Assaulting Reckoner with Awareness + Menoths site then ancillary attack.

This kind of list, deployment, advancement, spacing, and order of activation are VERY important for full effectiveness. A good list though.

I just hate how much worse Sevvy's feat is now though.

Glory to Menoth.

How was it broken down at the different point levels?

[WarJack Prime]

Lots of Severius lists I see. I think I'm going to stick with eFeora from now on. I just bought my second Vanquisher.

[bamburn]

I took second with Feora/eFeora. In the final round I wasn't getting the dice love I needed.

My opponent (Krueger with Waldwarden Spam) took an early control point lead because I was cautious in advancing my support and infantry and when I was later able to press the point, I wasn't able to seal the deal on the warlock kill and the Krueger player got the dice to drop our hottest (literally) caster.

As an aside, the final round was the same 50 point list as the 2nd round due to time constraints at the LGS.

[Seon]

Due toooo. Lack of time to play etc. we have 1 game at each point level.

I took pSevvy the monster of menoth!
List:
25pt- psevvy, repenter, repenter, vanquisher, redeemer, vassal, vassal, choir, EYRIESS!?
35pt- add BOV, wracks and heirophant.

Pretty much. first game vs Retribution w/ Rahn. i went first. moved up etc. Then i get off all the shooting, very devestating. then ghost sniper popping off enliven. and SPD 6 heavies getting the charge = gg for menoth ;D, wrecked the hydra, Manticore took some free strikes. Boosted Laser pew kill sevvy dead :). got 0 control points lol.

2nd game.. psevvy vs psevvy...... Killed his choir, and zealots with A2A (shot one of my repenters in the back to get around Zealots anti magic) set all bastions on fire with other repenter etc... Was a massive slaughter (i rolled stupidly high all match). Got 7 control points and won :D.

List sounded good on paper, But in the game LOL... pretty fail gun line ;).
eyriess did nothing, i play her like a noob. dont like her dirty shenanigans.... suprised no one else even has her in their lists.

One game left to go next week. adding on, visgoth rhoven, daughters, monk, A+H. So im gonna wreck some Sandwich ^_^

[bluecardinal]

Well let's see, I took home the Protectorate coin but that's because I was the only PoM player. I took the High Reclaimer and ended up going 1-3 but had a great time. My list was pretty one dimensional, melee, and it hurt me in the end.

The highlight was resurrecting some Cleansers and getting off an incineration order on the Iron Lich.

[Theonefish]

I went 3-1 with pSeverius in a 25/35/50 tourney and took the Protectorate coin. My only loss was to the eventual champion who got a turn 2 assassination on Sev with Vyros and ranged heavies that could boost their range, shot me through my whole army.

[Cleveland]

I ended up going 2-2 in our event, which is about what I expected to do...

I took my pFeora list, and went a little jack heavy at the lower points games, but also had Bastions and Knights Exemplar, and added things like KEE, a Sunburst, and TFG...

my first game was against an Old Witch list, and the Witch went on an assassination run, but left Feora with 1 point of life, and then it was all over after Feora used her Engine of Destruction spell to annihilate the Old Witch...

the second game was against the one caster that I wanted no part against, since Feora is an anti-horde caster and this guy played Karchev and 4 heavy warjacks...i gave it my all, took out 2 of those heavy warjacks, but in the end, just couldn't do enough damage to hurt Karchev, even though I had a chance and was killed by a Free Strike after having a line to Karchev in which I had a chance to assassinate him...

the third game was against a Dawnlord Vyros list, and I just got smoked, mainly because I have never gone against Retribution until that game...after that game, I thought of things that I could have used to better use, but that was after the fact...

the fourth game was against a Pirate list, and I won this on Victory conditions...

[dicegod]

I won our "resurgance" - we got the prize kit but ditched the lame scenarios in favor of SR2010.

I took it out with eKreoss.

eKreoss
^Fire of Salvation
^Avatar
^Vanquisher
4xChoir
5xBastions
3xWracks
10xTFG
Covenant
Piper
6xDeliverers
Vassal

Round 1 I played a Seige list and ended up getting the Avatar to Seige after he messed up the squire placement.

Round 2 I played a eThag/Typhon/Angel/Raptor/Carni shooty list and ended up winning on the tie breaker for Kill Box after we timed out.

Round 3 was against a Mortenebra player and I was able to win on control points (Incursion)

Round 4 was against a Xerxis brick on Convergance and I was able to kill Xerxis on 1 fury with Diminish and his feat up (ARM22?!)

Round 5 was eSorcha and the Covenant stopped her boundless charging herself, feating and charging eKreoss after the FoS wrecked the Behemoth and the Covenant locked down Beast 09 with the Avatar dealing to the Greatbears and the Vanquisher killing off the winterguard rifle corp.


Men of the Match were Deliverers - putting damage on Typhon with a big CRA, sniping raptors, killing an entire unit of gun mages and rangers in a forest on seperate turns, sniping Arcurii and pain givers as well as taking advantage of the knockdown from sacrosanct TFG.

[Happypanda]

2-2 with Reznik and got the PoM faction coin

Stupid scenario really hurt me since I didn't bring any advance deployment.

On the other hand the Bastions with Ignite wasted whatever got near em and they really just soaked up the damage, I don't think I've ever heard people complain more about anything I have ever brought than this unit, even in MK I with Harbinger they didn't complain as much. To be honest I think people were just mad that they actually had to concentrate really hard on a single unit to get rid of it. I guess now they know how I felt about MK I Bane Knights.

Also had FoS 1 turn the Deathjack to the suprise of my opponent who hadn't payed attention to his new imprint :)

Got both wins off with a EoD Reznik, Ashlyn after her failed assassination run and on eGaspy after his failed run.

[Skyydragonn]

Of course you won. You were using both a Vanquisher and a Reckoner.

You should really give you opponents at least a glimmer of hope.

Wish I could have got out to play in our local resurgence event, but circumstances conspired against me.

I remember in MKI where people mocked me for having them Both!:Open-Fist:

Grats on your hard fought victory !!

:DmgType-Fire: The heretics!

[Seon]

Came 2nd place overall. Protectorate coin is shiny ^-^
Damn karchev killed everyone for 1st place.

[Steampunk Jim]

I remember in MKI where people mocked me for having them Both!


That might be because they were both strictly worse in MKI. Even the small changes they received (reach on weapon, additional range and autofire on the gun) made a world of difference on them.

So yes, I still mock you for using them in MKI :)