Trying to win a fluff battle... for the motherland!

[littleatomies]

I'm a diehard Khador player who proudly does battle for the motherland. However, my boyfriend is a Cygnar player who outlandishly thinks that Cygnar land doesn't belong to Khador! As of yet, he is not persuaded by the allegations of foul magics, trickery, and drugged wine being used against our ambassadors at the Corvis Treaties, and claims that we violate these treaties even though the councilors lines have died out (not suspiciously at all...). I know in my heart Khador is right, but pride and household chores rest on the outcome of this argument!

Could anyone out there with a better understanding of Khador lore/fluff give a comrade a hand?

[saxondog]

I have said this before and I'll say it now.
There are two types in the IK; Khadorans and those who soon will be.

As far as a Cygnar loyalists claims, my first response isn't allowed on the forums.
They hide their shame with self-righteous indignation.
Leaking the location of our Colossal factory to the Orgoth (WG pg.34) to save themselves pretty much says it all about the character of Cygnar as a whole.
Ask a Trollkin about treaties and promises. Cygnar Diplomats should begin every meeting with an apology.
If this fact doesn't have him feeding you fruit after finishing the chores, I say go find yourself a fine Khadoran man.

SFK

[jack frost]

also don't forget how cygnar played their "friends" the laelese against us and then left them to rot when they were no longer the distraction they needed?!

they roast their friends on a spit when they're hungry enouh.

[vytzka]

In addition to what has been said, remember that Corvis treaties (may they be cursed) used the regional borders imposed by Orgoths. Khardic tribes lived a lot further down in the south before the occupation.

Everyone who supports Corvis treaties supports Orgoths!

[Gnoa]

How can you support a land whose very king decided he knew better than the rightfully appointed heir to the throne and usurped the throne from his own brother. What gall! No one would ever consider usurping our beloved Queen!

Two words: Concentration Camps. Why does Cygnar hate Menoth so? Why can't they use our example of a peaceful coexistence between Morrow and Menoth. They had the nerve to lock up Menites because of their religion!

Magnus the traitor???? Magnus the Patriot is more like it. We curse his name for the slaying of our people at is hand, but he did so out of a twisted loyalty to the TRUE king of Cygnar. To this day he still fights to bring the rightful king back to Cygnar. We should support him, and then maybe step in during the confusion of another battle for the throne to "help out".

As stated before, Cygnar showed they were incapable of showing trust to allies. Although we would never resort to using 'beasts' (ie Trollkin) to save our back...nor would we betray said beasts. That is like promising a mentally ill child a hot seasoned milk drink to help you shovel snow from your walkway and then kicking them out to the ditch when the job was done.

There is no loyalty in Cygnar, just selfish greed!

[LACK OF SUBTLETY]

Not to mention that before the concentration camps, they oppressed their menite population so fiercely that they sought out refuge in a desert rather than continue to live in Cygnaran-controlled lands (many of which were of course originally Khardic lands)

While Khador and our glorious empress celbrate religous diversity, Cygnarans squash it and cause division. To such an extreme that enough of their population deserts them that it creates a viable military force to stand against them.

Imagine the powerhouse the Cygnar would be with Choirs, Exemplars, Bastions, the Avatar, the Harbinger, etc. on their side rather than standing against them.

In doing this Cygnar has dangled temptation in front of Khadoran Menite subjects and some misguided souls have put their faith in front of their motherland (Come home Mikael Kreoss), so the treachery and oppression of Cygnarans was so foul that stories of it reached across borders to unoppressed people and cause them to join the Menite cause.

[thrasymacus]

You should speak to your boyfriend in the language of Khadoran diplomacy; Leave an axe under his pillow.

[General Nemo]

You should speak to your boyfriend in the language of Khadoran diplomacy; Leave an axe in his forehead.Post has been fixed.

[littleatomies]

Fantastic support, comrades, he seems to be wavering. Especially the bit about leaving an axe under a pillow... or in his forehead.

[LACK OF SUBTLETY]

Keep at it. Make sure he respects his "empress" more than some royal usurper.

[infamousd]

If you go through prime you can see where they are evil. i once wrote a paper about it using Prime and Primal. Cygnaran troops once led a khadoran army through a trollkin village so that their forces to escape, while khador killed off the trollkin. the skirmish between Khador and Trollkin had to happen because the trollkin couldn't let armed troops go through their lands, especially enemies, and Khador had to defend itself. Cygnar back out of deals, betrayed us to the Orgoth, morrowism just somehow became popular after wilfred's will dissappeared which might have named a menite king, and then the menites were kicked out of their homes into large camps. Prime and Primal are more then enough.

[guruhoro]

In addition to what has been said, remember that Corvis treaties (may they be cursed) used the regional borders imposed by Orgoths. Khardic tribes lived a lot further down in the south before the occupation.

Everyone who supports Corvis treaties supports Orgoths!

Is this... is this the "nazi card" of the Iron Kingdoms? :eek: Comparing one's enemies to the orgoth, or claiming they worked together?

But we don't lose, since the Godwin's Law card is not playable in this universe :p

[vytzka]

Is this... is this the "nazi card" of the Iron Kingdoms? :eek: Comparing one's enemies to the orgoth, or claiming they worked together?

But we don't lose, since the Godwin's Law card is not playable in this universe :p
...pretty much :D

It's also very convenient as Khador cannot be accused of anything like that. Of course, we collect Orgoth relics, but we do that out of love for... um... archaeology.

Ask our Koldun Archaeologist Sasha Zerkova for proof.

[Gnoa]

...pretty much :D

It's also very convenient as Khador cannot be accused of anything like that. Of course, we collect Orgoth relics, but we do that out of love for... um... archaeology.

Ask our Koldun Archaeologist Sasha Zerkova for proof.

As proof in action, look no further than our criminal law system. While Khador does have its share of crimes (obviously perpetrated by Llase and Cygnar sympathizers), do we just lock them up and pretend that will cure their criminal instincts...no! We use Orgoth relics to help bring peace to these tortured souls!

We give our criminals "swords of redemption"...that may nor may not cause them to go insane (most likely more Cygnarian propaganda, I mean who wouldn't want to wield a weapon of redemption for the Motherland?).

We put masks on them, i mean "redemption helmets"...and point them at the enemy. This way they not only get to find a road to redemption for past misdeeds, but they help to make Khador safer. Most die, but they died for the Motherland.

[vytzka]

As proof in action, look no further than our criminal law system. While Khador does have its share of crimes (obviously perpetrated by Llase and Cygnar sympathizers), do we just lock them up and pretend that will cure their criminal instincts...no! We use Orgoth relics to help bring peace to these tortured souls!

We give our criminals "swords of redemption"...that may nor may not cause them to go insane (most likely more Cygnarian propaganda, I mean who wouldn't want to wield a weapon of redemption for the Motherland?).

We put masks on them, i mean "redemption helmets"...and point them at the enemy. This way they not only get to find a road to redemption for past misdeeds, but they help to make Khador safer. Most die, but they died for the Motherland.

Yeah, that's hitting two birds with one stone.

Where by "stone" I mean "cursed soul eating blade".

And by "birds" I mean "swans".

[phantem2]

The most important thing to remmeber is that all of Immorian will be red eventualy, be it by wearing the Khador colors or because those who wont, died pitiful bloody deaths.