Cleansers incinerate question...

[Bastion5]

on the back of the card they do a combined ranged attack with a range 8 aoe 4 pow 12. Because it says combined ranged attack, do i get the bonuses for the participants?

[Seon]

as far as im aware. They act like a normal CRA, so everyone needs to be within 8 inches and have LOS to the target and be able to fire a ranged attack.

then the AOE 4 blast will have a base Pow of 12. then +1 for each cleanser participating. and the blast will also have +1 pow.

so assuming 6 cleansers all incinerate one target. you will have the AOE 4 Pow 18 attack, then the Blast will be pow 12.

the Combinded ranged attack is now a universal rule and they are stated in the Prime mk2 book :)

[Lanz]

I asked about this a little while back in the rules section, yes you get the +1 to attack and damage rolls for all participants, following the normal CRA rules.

Basically, use the CRA rules, with the exception that the attack is not a single-target attack, but an AoE instead.

[Soylent]

I asked about this a little while back in the rules section, yes you get the +1 to attack and damage rolls for all participants, following the normal CRA rules.

Basically, use the CRA rules, with the exception that the attack is not a single-target attack, but an AoE instead.


You only use the to hit bonus, not the damage. Cleansers do it different. If they had CRA then there would be the symbol on the front of their card. What they have is Rocket Volley...




Instead of making ranged attacks separately, two or more models in this unit can make a combined ranged attack. Do not add a damage bonus for the number of models participating in the combined ranged attack. If 3–5 models participate in the attack, it has base AOE 4˝ and base POW 14. If 6 or more models participate in the attack, it has base AOE 5˝ and base POW 16.


So when making the Rocket Volley attacks, you count the ones making the attack, that have LoS and range, then you add that to your RAT(4 man rocket volly would be a RAT4), then depending on how many participated in the Rocket Volley, you determin if it's a POW12 3" AoE, POW14 4" AoE or a POW16 5" AoE.

[Loveless]

You only use the to hit bonus, not the damage. Cleansers do it different. If they had CRA then there would be the symbol on the front of their card. What they have is Rocket Volley...


You're thinking of Deliverers, Soylent.

[brotherscott]

"Incinerate (Order) - Models that received this order can participate in a combined range attack. The unit commander must be the primary attacker. This attack has RNG 8, AOE 4˝, and POW 12. This attack causes fire damage. The AOE remains in play for one round and is a cloud effect. Models entering or ending their activations in the AOE suffer a POW 12 fire damage roll. A unit can make only one Incinerate attack per activation."

The special rules for the order are in the text. The Cleansers participate in a CRA and get the attack bonus, but the damage is spelled out.

[silverpuppy]

then the gun mage tempests cra aoe attack is the same way only a pow 10?

[brotherscott]

then the gun mage tempests cra aoe attack is the same way only a pow 10?

Apparently not, since the special rule indicates that the attack is a 3" AoE and does not specify a POW or RNG (the default RNG). The POW would depend on the models left in the unit, and since a CRA requires two models, the POW would be from 12 to 16. The RAT would also benefit from the CRA rules.

[dicegod]

Cleansers add to both attack and damage bonuses.

Deliverers only add to attack bonuses.

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

I believe the order is specifying the base stats of the new attack, for which to use. Not whether or not it replaces the + to damage CRA usually provides.

[Seon]

Also if they did incinerate on them selves, being immune to fire. They take no damage but you will still get the cloud affect?

[dicegod]

Yes. When Mk2 first dropped I used this and Gorman to sheild Harby up field.

[Lanz]

"Incinerate (Order) - Models that received this order can participate in a combined range attack. The unit commander must be the primary attacker. This attack has RNG 8, AOE 4˝, and POW 12. This attack causes fire damage. The AOE remains in play for one round and is a cloud effect. Models entering or ending their activations in the AOE suffer a POW 12 fire damage roll. A unit can make only one Incinerate attack per activation."

The special rules for the order are in the text. The Cleansers participate in a CRA and get the attack bonus, but the damage is spelled out.

It still gains the +1 to attack and damage rolls, but POW12 is where it starts. Same with the ATGM CRA.

At least that's what was agreed on in this thread (http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?t=7458), and an infernal didn't step in to say we were all wrong.

Unless the rule specifically says they do not gain it, they gain the +1 to both attack and damage rolls, because thats how a CRA works. Note that all the CRAs that give one and not the other actually say it in the order/ability itself.

[baronvonchaos]

This I'd want in infernal ruling on. I always took it as +1 to attack and dmg rolls as normal in the CRA rules.