50pt MK2 (no tiers!) WM/H Tournament - Studio City, CA - Painting clinic before event

[msherman31781]

All are welcomed to come to the MKII 50 point event on Sunday, the 21st of February, starting at 12:00PM at Knight Ware (www.knight-ware.com (http://www.knight-ware.com/)) in Studio City, Ca. There will be a registration fee ($10) and all fees will be used as prize support.

Mikael (MananaRepublic), of the trollblood forums, brushthralls, and http://dragonpainting.net/ will be running a painting clinic prior to the event, starting promptly at 11:00am. The focus of the clinic will be how to have an awesome looking fully painted Light 'jack in about an hour!!!

Hope to see LOTS of people come out for this event. Bring your friends! The more the merrier!

Registration starts at 11:30AM.
1st game STARTS at 12:00PM.

Please let me know if you'd like to come and I'll update the list of players.

Prizes:
1st place: 50% of prize pool
2nd place: 30% of prize pool
3rd place: 20% of prize pool


Rules, etc:
- Bring 2 50pt MK2 lists (same faction)
- To keep in line with what PPS_DC has ruled for official events, tiers ARE allowed.
- MK2 WM and MK2 Hordes beta are legal for this tournament.
- 3 Rounds!
- Some terrain will be provided, if you have some nice stuff please bring it to bolster our stocks.
- NO CHEATING! its a game, have fun or don't come.

Please be punctual and call if you are running late.

Knight Ware
3709 Cahuenga Blvd West
Studio City, CA. 91604
(818) 769-7830

Directions comming form anywhere:
- take 101 freeway, exit at Lankershim
- From North, the store will be on your right on Cahuenga (can be seen from the exit).
- From the South, Turn left, go under the freeway, turn left on Cahuenga, store is on your right, about 1 block up, before Regal.

Attending:
Greg
Mike (Me)
Frank
Jin
Mark

Maybe:
Markus
Sean
Mika

[Mananarepublic]

I will be there (obviously :-)), but I might actually be playing as well.

- Trollbloods or Legion

/M

[TimVanBoening]

I will be there (obviously :-)), but I might actually be playing as well.

- Trollbloods or Legion

/M

THAT! IS! SOME OF THE BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD IN A WHILE! I hope you do play, Mika.


I will most likely be there playing Cryx. Or Mercs, but most likely Cryx.

[msherman31781]

I, for one, will be VERY glad to have both of you there. Once we get a bit closer to the event, I will put up a list of confirmed (and semi-confirmed, *cough-Mika-cough*) players. :)

[LemmingStampede]

I will be there (obviously :-)), but I might actually be playing as well.

- Trollbloods or Legion

/M

Lies I say! LIES!! ;)

I will try to be there. No tier lists make me sad, I was totally going to Darius all over people. Guess you'll have to settle for Kara Sloan instead.

[Gython]

Barring 'baby sitting issues', I'm in like Flynn! (http://driph.com/words/2009/07/flynns-and-space-paranoids-compare/)

[Gearjock]

I should be there but I'm up in the air whether it will be with Retribution of Hello Kitty or Cygnar

[TimVanBoening]

I'm beginning my list right now...


Like seriously right now.

[Mananarepublic]

LOL! Hey Mike - I told you it won't be done in an hour. Yet you had to put it in there :-) I guess I will have to paint the squire then..

/M

[msherman31781]

Mika - Don't sweat it! Remember that we live in Los Angeles... where "I'll be there in 5 minutes" really means "you'll have to wait about 45 minutes for me, depending on traffic" LOL. The "about an hour" refers to the time between the start point of the painting clinic and the beginning of the game play (11am-12:00pm). :)

[Mananarepublic]

Mika - Don't sweat it! Remember that we live in Los Angeles... where "I'll be there in 5 minutes" really means "you'll have to wait about 45 minutes for me, depending on traffic" LOL. The "about an hour" refers to the time between the start point of the painting clinic and the beginning of the game play (11am-12:00pm). :)

Yeah - worst comes worst I will be painting alongside the games so people can check out during the time.

Hey - do you guys want me to bring other completed minis as well so that you can ask specific questions about them as well?

/M

[msherman31781]

We need to get Ross to come up from SD once he gets back from Templecon. :)

Please see the first message for a change to the Tiers ruling based on Privateer's & PPS_DC's official statement on tiers. All official events must allow tiers to be utilized. Tiers WILL be allowed for this event.

[Mananarepublic]

We need to get Ross to come up from SD once he gets back from Templecon. :)

Please see the first message for a change to the Tiers ruling based on Privateer's & PPS_DC's official statement on tiers. All official events must allow tiers to be utilized. Tiers WILL be allowed for this event.

Boooooooooh!!!

/M

[msherman31781]

Boooooooooh!!!

/M

I didn't know you felt so strongly about Ross... jeez. lol. J/K.

While I have my own feelings about the tier system at this point in the release cycle, I do have to follow the official rules. I am sure that it will be a fun event either way! :)

[LemmingStampede]

Yay tiers! I may just run Darius after all. Is this going to be steamroller format?

[msherman31781]

Caster kill = win condition.

[LemmingStampede]

Awwww. I really prefer Steamroller over straight up caster kill. We should at least do kill box .

[Mananarepublic]

This is what I will show @ the tourney:

http://www.privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?p=163207#post163207

/M

[FrankVas]

I am 90% sure I'll make it with my glorious Menoth army for a sacred *** kicking. Not sure about the painting clinic though, a little too early for me, I'll try though.

Frank V.

[msherman31781]

Would be awesome to have you come Frank. I hear that Mika spoke to Ross and the San Diego folk (sans Ross, sadly... damn work) may be coming down. The more the merrier, I say! Spread the word everyone!

[Mananarepublic]

Ross didn't promise anything - just said he would spread the word...

/M

[Ross]

Ill do my best!!!!! ill see if I can get off work that day....I really will. :)

-CC

[Gython]

I don't know what P.P. is thinking?!?!? Tiers should not be used in co-hordes/warmachine games. It's not like warmachine armies need MORE f'n help to stomp hordes armies! :( This garbage really makes me wonder what the rule-makers there are thinking or rather aren't thinking!

[LemmingStampede]

Have you even looked at the tiers? It's widely agreed upon that the benefits granted aren't worth the restrictions placed on model restriction. At best, they're almost as good as a regular list. Some of them aren't even close to being as competitive.

[msherman31781]

Although my initial reaction was similar to yours, Markus, after looking over the documents and PP's ruling on this, utilizing tiers (given the restrictions inherent in these) does not appear to provide a significant competitive advantage over using a tooled out standard list.

Obviously, some tier lists will have better match ups than others... just as some standard lists have better match ups vs. some lists than others. However, over the course of a large enough sample of games vs. random casters, I would wager that the "better" player, whatever that means, will win their share of games whether they are running a standard or tier list.

All in all, it should be a lot of fun and I hope to see everyone there supporting their favorite WM or Hordes faction by spilling the most enemy guts & gears possible.

[The Maquis]

Sorry guys,

I'll be out of town that weekend and will miss the tournament.
Let me know when the next event will be held.
Hope you get some good pictures of the fighting.

I'm curious why PP would allow tier lists when only a few of the army books for WARMACHINE and NONE of the army books for HORDES have been released yet.

[msherman31781]

Sorry to hear you'll miss this one Bill. Hope to get a few games in with you soon!

As for the official stance on tier lists... please reference my post above and read on below....

The official stance is, to paraphrase PPS_DC:

1) Players are not required to use tier lists.
2) Tier lists are not required in order to have a competitive army list.
3) Theme forces are an official tournament-legal option available to players.

As an aside, the Forces of Warmachine books are being released in a sequence determined by Summer Rampage results. Factions who placed at the top get to utilize their theme lists sooner than those who didn't do as well. Ultimately, each army will have it's own set of tiers to utilize to build fun, fluffy, and competitive armies. If game design works out, I highly doubt that tier lists will be MORE competitive than non-tiered lists constructed utilizing a broader range of options to wreck your opponents face.

If someone is wanting to utilize a tier list SUPER bad, I can volunteer my mercenary army (pMagnus or eMagnus). Just let me know with plenty of time to spare so that we can plan to make this happen. First come, first served.

[Gython]

I hear ya Mike. I guess we'll see what we see ;)

[Gearjock]

Jin will be coming with Mercs or Khador as per usual. Mike probably not. I'm still waiting to hear from a few others.

[luxionmk2]

Ack, my LGS is running a demo and paint day on that same day. I'll see what I can manage...

[TimVanBoening]

I am sad to inform you folks I will not be attending. A sudden trip to Ohio to deal with my storage space I shared with my (now) ex-fiancee needs to happen. I leave Monday, but scheduling means I will be out of town in the A.V. on Sunday. I hope you guys have a wicked good time!!!

I hope you guys don't want to hit me in the :Eyeless-Sight: with a :Construct: or :Open-Fist: or want to :Gunfighter: me


....sorry, I just had to....

[msherman31781]

Actually... I wanna :Pathfinder: you in the :Explosive::Explosive:.

In all seriousness... good luck working out all the storage issues and we definitely want to see you at the next one! (Hopefully before!)

[TimVanBoening]

Actually... I wanna :Pathfinder: you in the :Explosive::Explosive:.

In all seriousness... good luck working out all the storage issues and we definitely want to see you at the next one! (Hopefully before!)

Bah...my old-timey bombs will be so sore!!


Thanks, Mikey, I appreciate it. I will get to play WM out in Ohio with my friend Jeremy, so I'll play my list there:)

[msherman31781]

Can I get a final head count of any other people who are coming but are not included on the list on the top of the thread? Anyone hear from Kalen? Any of the SD/Riverside folks? The more the merrier, as always!

[msherman31781]

Well, I must say that although a number of our regulars were not able to make it, it was a great event with some new faces and all 8 people who played had a blast! Hopefully more people can make it out for the next one and we can have a record showing!

Placing:

1st - Jin Sigimoto- Highborn
2nd - Mike W. - Cryx
3rd - John Liao - Retribution

Honorable Mention - Goes to David Willis (playing Cryx) for coming out to a new venue and playing in a competitive tournament environment after being involved in the Warmachine/Hordes hobby for only 1 month. Was great to have you come out and hope to see you again soon!

It was awesome gaming with everyone!

[TimVanBoening]

Well, I must say that although a number of our regulars were not able to make it, it was a great event with some new faces and all 8 people who played had a blast! Hopefully more people can make it out for the next one and we can have a record showing!

Placing:

1st - Jin Sigimoto- Highborn
2nd - Mike W. - Cryx
3rd - John Liao - Retribution

Honorable Mention - Goes to David Willis (playing Cryx) for coming out to a new venue and playing in a competitive tournament environment after being involved in the Warmachine/Hordes hobby for only 1 month. Was great to have you come out and hope to see you again soon!

It was awesome gaming with everyone!



.....I MISSED NOT ONE, BUT TWO CRYX PLAYERS????? The Dragonfather be praised!! I wish I had been there, my Skarre list might have been fun against the other two Cryx players. What casters did the folks who place, and David, play?

[FaveDave]

Well, I must say that although a number of our regulars were not able to make it, it was a great event with some new faces and all 8 people who played had a blast! Hopefully more people can make it out for the next one and we can have a record showing!

Placing:

1st - Jin Sigimoto- Highborn
2nd - Mike W. - Cryx
3rd - John Liao - Retribution

Honorable Mention - Goes to David Willis (playing Cryx) for coming out to a new venue and playing in a competitive tournament environment after being involved in the Warmachine/Hordes hobby for only 1 month. Was great to have you come out and hope to see you again soon!

It was awesome gaming with everyone!

Aw, shucks, thanks for welcoming the noob,

David Willis

p.s. And thanks to all my opponents for their patience with me, especially Mike W.

[msherman31781]

Jin - Gorten
Mike W. - pGoreshade
John - not sure... some nimble elf that kills stuff
Dave - Terminus / pDenny

And Tim... you missed 3 cryx players... Brent dusted off his stuff and played as well (pDenny + 24 bile thralls + other goodies).

HUGE Thank you to Mike W. and David Willis for lending some of their Cryx cards to one of our players who had not yet had the time to upgrade to MK2. I really appreciate the community we've got!

[Gearjock]

Yah, it was definitely a fun environment. Hopefully next time the regulars will come out.