A new kind of ARC node just for Khador...

[PastorJayRich]

Not an arc node, but a "retaliatory" arc node. If the jack got hit by a spell or a spell is cast on a model within 3" of it, that jack can choose to store it instead. Up to one spell. It's specialized "arc node" stores one spell and the jack or the caster can cast that spell at any point during their turn for free.

You are essentially taking a large amount of focus off of the other caster. And if you are in melee with one of those darn hordes beasts, you could prevent spell buffs.

Think about all of the cool buff spells that you could steal and use on your own troops.

It would give us a good jack against Protectorate.

It probably is more of a Cryx thing to do.

I know it's not perfect.

[Woldwrath]

Don't you think the opponent would avoid casting spells at it?

[NChomsky3d]

Exactly. It would give us an interesting denial jack that would prevent an enemy from hitting us with direct debuffs, and would make it harder for an opposing caster to cast Iron Flesh on a unit that just charged us (for instance).

[PastorJayRich]

Exactly. It would give us an interesting denial jack that would prevent an enemy from hitting us with direct debuffs, and would make it harder for an opposing caster to cast Iron Flesh on a unit that just charged us (for instance).

Precisely my thinking. It introduces a whole new concept to WM.

[PastorJayRich]

Don't you think the opponent would avoid casting spells at it?

Or near it!

[joelker41]

Don't you think the opponent would avoid casting spells at it?



Wouldn't that be part of the point LOL?

I think it is interesting how there aren't greylord specific jacks yet. I could definitely see something like this with them. Maybe even light Jack (s) with it.

It is interesting.

[Wulfenstein]

I think it's interesting but I would then assume it would be smaller, faster jacks. Maybe like def 12 arm 17 or 18. Either way I agree with it adding a whole new dimension to WM in general.

[PastorJayRich]

Unless your an old witch, build it yourself and it follows you around, light/medium jacks have NO place in the khador army. We are big mamoth jacks or men with steam powered suits, nothing inbetween.
Maybe a Berserker with 2 open fists and a "reflector" node. That would fit our fluff better.
Or a MOW UA with that ability.

[Wulfenstein]

They do have a place... you are just a close minded individual. Which is funny as you are the OP of this...

[Lanz]

Precisely my thinking. It introduces a whole new concept to WM.

Reznik's been doing it for ages. Kaelyssa's got it too.

It's called Witch Hound. Different rule, obviously, but the same effect that the enemy gets hurt by trying to cast spells at the battlegroup.

[NChomsky3d]

They do have a place... you are just a close minded individual. Which is funny as you are the OP of this...

Now now, no need for name calling. He called for a unit, not necessarily a light jack. Besides, I think it would be cooler if we had a Greylord type unit with Arc Node, or possibly a Greylord UA for the MoW, wearing MoW armor? I would run the hell out of that.

[djhg]

Kind of like Epic Eiryss' ability, except with her it's a case of don't faff your hit roll or you'll be sorry...

In any case Khador's lack of light jacks is explained perfectly in the Forces of Warmachine: Khador book.
The old witch has scrapjack who she built herself, and Zerkova 'acquired' Vanguards while out & about.

They'll probably be the only light jacks we see unless we 'acquire' some more in future.

The idea of a spell denial is kind of cool I think, but I wouldn't go with stealing the spell.
Maybe a set area around the jack that negates the Arc Node advantage and spells cast against targets within the bubble suffer a range reduction?

[PastorJayRich]

... you are just a close minded individual.

I didn't realize that attack to my character was warranted in this thread. However, I don't really see being called "closed minded" as a bad thing since it is a logical impossibility.

The term "close minded" and "open minded" are subjective logical traps. From the standpoint of the person stating it, it means that they disagree with the idea that is held by their intended target. I could easily say the same thing about my point of view. I am "open minded" to the idea that we can have unique factions. But perhaps you are "close minded" to having unique factions. See, subjective logical trap.

I am merely suggesting a concept that might fit within the worldview of Khador.

[Peg leg Pete]

for extra hilarity, make the "spell reflectors" big. really big. then put them onto a demolisher chasis. as long as the thing is closed up it can absorb spells. when it opens, it fires off the last spell that it absorbed.

[Wulfenstein]

Now now, no need for name calling. He called for a unit, not necessarily a light jack. Besides, I think it would be cooler if we had a Greylord type unit with Arc Node, or possibly a Greylord UA for the MoW, wearing MoW armor? I would run the hell out of that.

Oh there is no name calling at all. Just saying there is a place for light warjacks and precisely what djhg said. Acquired... It could be an acquired merc jack, aka a Zerkova bonded Vanguard. I will say this, the MoW Grey Lord attachment does sound like an even better idea to me. I would definitely run the hell out of that just because!


I didn't realize that attack to my character was warranted in this thread. However, I don't really see being called "closed minded" as a bad thing since it is a logical impossibility.

The term "close minded" and "open minded" are subjective logical traps. From the standpoint of the person stating it, it means that they disagree with the idea that is held by their intended target. I could easily say the same thing about my point of view. I am "open minded" to the idea that we can have unique factions. But perhaps you are "close minded" to having unique factions. See, subjective logical trap.

I am merely suggesting a concept that might fit within the worldview of Khador.

I see where you are coming from. It was not meant to sound like an attack, just merely stating that there are already light warjacks (even if it is the OW and mercs). We are all Khador players anyways, why would I want to start issues with fellow motherland players? :)

[PastorJayRich]

for extra hilarity, make the "spell reflectors" big. really big. then put them onto a demolisher chasis. as long as the thing is closed up it can absorb spells. when it opens, it fires off the last spell that it absorbed.

Satellite dishes instead of arms.

[PastorJayRich]

The idea of a spell denial is kind of cool I think, but I wouldn't go with stealing the spell.

Not necessarily stealing, but "arcane reflecting" or "directional arcane deflecting". Or DAD for short. My dad can do anything your dad can! And better. In fact, the jack should just be named Dad.

[Ubik]

The problem as I see it, is that this isn't really something that screams Khador to me. If the jack cancelled out the spell, then it's something I'd associate with Menoth. If it were something that was powered up by or whiplashed the spell, then it's something that I'd associate with Retribution.

Khador jacks are all about lumbering behemoths that apply the maximum amount of axe to face as possible when they get there. To suddenly have a powerful spell denial ability on one would seem a little out of place.

If I had to give Khador a magic jack ability, I'd probably give the jack an aura of +2 to magic damage rolls within 5" of the jack. You would still have the same feel of a normal Khador jack, running headlong into enemy lines and then unleashing overwhelming force when you get there. You can always make it Zerkova's character jack to explain why it's a bit more 'fancy' than normal Khador jacks.

[thrasymacus]

I resent people speaking on behalf of the whole faction and unanimously deciding what is and is not Khadoran. I've said as much in similar threads. Let's all get off our high horses.

eAlexia has some spell denial, though it takes some risk taking to get going.

Whatever we get next in terms of Jacks I just hope it isn't another flavor of beatstick. I like Torch (kind of) and Black Ivan getting DEF 12 and Bulldoze was surprising and kind of sexy. I'd like to see something push the envelope a little though. Our utility jacks are all based off the Clam Chassis, so my bet is our next Jack will be a Character mod to go with it, which has potential. An Arc Node isn't impossible, but doesn't jive with our offensive spells and SP4 is pretty terrible for an Arc Node anyway. I'm playing Cryx now and right away I see how powerful it is to run an Arc Node 14" to get Parasite going or to fire off some Breath of Corruptions. It just wouldn't work at SPD 4. I wouldn't pay for it. Spell denial I would pay for though. If I can't be envious I'll at least be spiteful.

[Digilante]

I think I'd want to take this idea in a different direction:

Arcantrik Collector
Whenever a spell targets a model within 3" add an energy token to this model. At the beginning of its activation, all energy tokens on this model are converted to focus points.

Put this on the standard Kahdor chassis with two open fists. A krazy jack that discourages spell casting against nearby units and/or doesn't need to be babysat by the caster!

[Kommissar Golovko]

How about a node on a specialized jack generates rage tokens if a spell is cast or arced within X inches (say 6 or 8?) up to a max of 3 rage tokens? During the Khador player's activation the specialized jack can then use all the rage tokens or give other Khador jacks 1 max rage token after focus allocation? Can be used to boost attacks or damage or buy additional attacks like the one eButch has for his feat. This would be on top of focus allocation. So a jack other than the specialized jack can have 3 Foc and 1 Rage token. The specialized jack cannot be allocated focus if it has any rage tokens on it (as a balance factor). Put the said node onto a Berserker chassis.

[comrade]

We already have midwinter though. I think it would be kind of broken just to be honest, or if not broken then something too unprecidented in the game.

[PastorJayRich]

We already have midwinter though. I think it would be kind of broken just to be honest, or if not broken then something too unprecidented in the game.
Of course it would be broken! That's what makes it awesome!

[PastorJayRich]

Whatever we get next in terms of Jacks I just hope it isn't another flavor of beatstick.

More beatstick is always welcome in Khador. What would be fun is a fresh kind of stick to beat people with.

[Yurimow]

What about an arcane deflector? If a model (friendly or enemy) casts a spell at the jack (offensive spells have to hit the jack), the jack suffers/benefits from the spell (supposing the jack is an eligible target for the spell) and after that (unless the jack is stationary or knocked down), the spell is cast again from the jack to another (eligible) target chosen by the controller of the jack.
You could use it to "corner" spells. You could use it to "double" spells (e.g. GT sprays, butchers obliteration, strakhovs rift). It works also if the jack is engaged (though suffering the -4 to hit). It does not work with the spells that would be broken if they could be channeled (e.g. tempest). The jack can only be affected by upkeep spells, if the "mirrored" spell misses or is out of range.

I think it would be a pretty fun arcnode kind of thing without being an arcnode. I'd also like it to be an orgoth thingy found by the greylord covenant and built into a jack. I'd like to see more greylordyness within our ranks.

[Marth]

Arcantrik Collector
Whenever a spell targets a model within 3" add an energy token to this model. At the beginning of its activation, all energy tokens on this model are converted to focus points.

Put this on the standard Kahdor chassis with two open fists. A krazy jack that discourages spell casting against nearby units and/or doesn't need to be babysat by the caster!

I'd support that. Nice idea.