Our Level 3/Legendary caster

[ShoX]

I'd just prefer a normal, new warlock for circle more than anything. Warmachine forces have their set of 9 casters I beleive with 4 epics and we got way less in both regards, which makes character restrictions a pain.

What I'd really like to see would be a sentient Woldwatcher, either character or caster or an actual Blackclad that has stuff going on with shifting stones, possibly an elite cadre for druids.

[VOLK]

Character restrictions have nothing to do with casters.

[mercury]

Character restrictions have nothing to do with casters.

VOLK is correct. For clarification, the SR2012 character restrictions allow you to take epic and regular versions of the same character in different lists.

[kaneblaise]

I'd just prefer a normal, new warlock for circle more than anything. Warmachine forces have their set of 9 casters I beleive with 4 epics and we got way less in both regards, which makes character restrictions a pain.

You seem to think that Hordes isn't going to get any more casters or first-time epics? I haven't heard anything of the sort from PP regarding Hordes.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

All the main Hordes factions have 11 casters presently, and all the main Warmachine factions have 13. Exceptions to this being Mercs who have 10, Retribution who has 6 and Minions who have 6. Given that break down, we already know that every Warmachine faction is getting exactly 1 new caster, and that all of the main Hordes factions are also getting at least 1, so that's a wash. I don't think being behind 2 casters is really the end of the world for us.

[BigHoot]

I think it will be legend-waitforit-ary Krueger, but I would much rather have something like mounted Kaya.

[brokennecron]

i think mounted kaya would just be corny, especially if it's laris she's mounted on. I think krueger is more likely but i'd rather not see him mounted either and i can't think of another way to make him interestingly different from his previous incarnations other than possibly becoming blighted like lortus...

[Cuagau]

I know its not going to happen but I kinda want Mohsar to just skip epic and go legendary. I feel like he was really underwhelming in his Mohsar1 form for a caster of his rank in a faction of casters.

The problem is you can't make Mohsar better than the rest just because he's an omnipotent, it'd ruin game balance. He's already Fury 8, that alone is enough to denote his rank and make him stand out from the crowd.
Epics are not more powerful than Primes. And 'legendaries' will not be anymore powerful than epics.

[Corevak]

+1 for warwolf warcaster.

[VOLK]

The problem is you can't make Mohsar better than the rest just because he's an omnipotent, it'd ruin game balance. He's already Fury 8, that alone is enough to denote his rank and make him stand out from the crowd.
Epics are not more powerful than Primes. And 'legendaries' will not be anymore powerful than epics.

That's certainly not true, there are plenty of instances where the epic version is more powerful than the prime (look at the big three for Cygnar, for example).

[Baxx]

Krueger with his own personal Shifting Stones.

Are you saying Krueger needs to grow a pair of stones?

[kaneblaise]

That's certainly not true, there are plenty of instances where the epic version is more powerful than the prime (look at the big three for Cygnar, for example).

I think he meant to say that PP tries to make epics no more powerful than non-epic versions. Some epics are better than their non-epic (Haley I guess?). Some non-epic are better than their epic (Morgol from what I hear). Some are roughly equal (Vayl perhaps, or Irusk?), or so different in playstyles that it is impossible to compare (Baldur, IMO).

With that said, while I think it is possible for Mohsar to go epic, I don't see it happening. He's the stereotypical grumpy old man. He isn't getting promoted and he's so set in his ways I don't see a major revelation coming about anytime soon to change his outlook on life. Might happen, but I'm not holding my breath.

[kaneblaise]

double post

[Mystraca]

I think a large base warpwolf like eKromac would be awesome. Take the good but sometime questionable melee warlock into a melee beast. Maybe even able to make power attacks or have a shifting option like a warpwolf.

[VagrantPoet]

I was told recently that the Collosals and Gargantuans books will only have the triple epic casters and no other warlocks, etc. Is this true?

I hope not. I'm still banking on eMorvahna.

[MindwormJim]

Let's see, I know I screwed around with a Kaya3 homebrew at some point. Wonder if I can find it ...
Aha. Here it is.

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...Homebrew-Stuff

Wow. Two years ago. Yeesh. Am I still spending money on this game?

[PG_Valkine]

I was told recently that the Collosals and Gargantuans books will only have the triple epic casters and no other warlocks, etc. Is this true?

I hope not. I'm still banking on eMorvahna.

The front page Blurb for Colossals says "New warcasters for each faction, including the third incarnations of some of the Iron Kingdoms’ greatest champions." This sounds like there will be one new character warcaster and the triple epics. However, we can't assume that Gargantuans will be the same since Domination had 2 warlocks while Wrath had only 1 new warcaster for each faction. Still, I'm expecting more than just the triple epics.

[jdeckert]

The front page Blurb for Colossals says "New warcasters for each faction, including the third incarnations of some of the Iron Kingdoms’ greatest champions." This sounds like there will be one new character warcaster and the triple epics. However, we can't assume that Gargantuans will be the same since Domination had 2 warlocks while Wrath had only 1 new warcaster for each faction. Still, I'm expecting more than just the triple epics.

It's been stated elsewhere that there will only be 1 new warcaster for each faction in Colossals. I think the bit about "including" third incarnations is just because Ret and Mercs aren't getting Epic3 casters (that sentence right there is a good reason we should be allowed to call them "legendairy").

Of course, that doesn't mean that the Hordes book will be the same way.

[Bradigus]

We'll probably never see a Warpwolf warlock. They tend to try to keep beasts separate from warlocks. The closest they've done is Belphagore and Bethayne, and they're still separate but can merge. What they might do is a Skinwalker warlock, which might be pretty cool.

[kaneblaise]

We'll probably never see a Warpwolf warlock. They tend to try to keep beasts separate from warlocks. The closest they've done is Belphagore and Bethayne, and they're still separate but can merge. What they might do is a Skinwalker warlock, which might be pretty cool.

I'm all for a Skinwalker caster and for a new Warpwolf that is a full druid (not just someone with a wilding spark like the Stalkers) who took the Warpwolf potion. But that may just be me *shrug*

[PG_bushman101]

Kaya, but with 2 other warbeasts named after the other 2 moons in the IK world

[Blaque]

All the main Hordes factions have 11 casters presently, and all the main Warmachine factions have 13. Exceptions to this being Mercs who have 10, Retribution who has 6 and Minions who have 6. Given that break down, we already know that every Warmachine faction is getting exactly 1 new caster, and that all of the main Hordes factions are also getting at least 1, so that's a wash. I don't think being behind 2 casters is really the end of the world for us.

Even more specifically, the main four WM factions have nine unique characters and the Hordes ones 8. This is actually pretty good, considering that even if we are behind, and PP has stated there isn't a goal to "catch-up" hordes, having the gap be so small means that it is I think moot.

And stuff.

[Viperius]

page 20, Circle Forces Book, left column, end of fourth paragraph:
"It is possible more omnipotents could be added if the group extended its reach beyond western immoren." who knows =)
Storywise I agree that Krueger would make most sense, but so would Baldur. I mean, he talks about his time running out. But what happens after that, maybe something else than death?

ed: and I dont want a caster with three or two (possibly heavy) beasts...the battle engines are costly enough, i dont want to spend 50? on a caster...

[PG_LEJKaya]

Kaya, but with 2 other warbeasts named after the other 2 moons in the IK world

I mentioned this before...
Kaya having a lesser warbeast called Artis (In addition to Laris) would be ok but she'd have maybe 1 WB point at best.
Add in Calder as a heavy and what? She costs 7 points?

[Blaque]

Should be noted that when/if Morvahna ever goes epic, I think it will be on the back a current Omnipotent. Lortus kind of has a lot of flags as being too common-sensed to allow ot live long-term.

And stuff.

[kaneblaise]

Should be noted that when/if Morvahna ever goes epic, I think it will be on the back a current Omnipotent. Lortus kind of has a lot of flags as being too common-sensed to allow ot live long-term.

And stuff.

I think Morv is going to be promoted to Omnipotent as well, but I feel that Lortus is popular and featured often enough that it won't be him. I have no idea who the other Omnipotent even is... The fire guy from FoH Circle?

[Elros]

Dahlekov. He is currently on bad terms with Krueger so maybe yeah, he'll drop a seat for MOrvahna or Stormlord himself

[Blackraine]

Kromac. He's so awesome, he's going to skip lvl 2 and go straight to the top.

[Booogeyman]

I do not want a level 3 variant, but instead epic version of Mohsar and Morvahna. They're fun to play with, but they need a little boost.

Then I would like to have Circle units that are not similar to other factions.
A variant of the B13 that creates forest, turning the opponent's model and the last druid gives stealth. A Druid solo or new type of magic stone.

[Menoth's Gambit]

I am sure we will get a L3, if Warmachine is getting them. However, I echo your sentiment regarding Morvhana. Hands down she is my favorite of the Circle characters. I want her to be bad assedness as possible!

[kaneblaise]

I do not want a level 3 variant

Sorry to disappoint, but we're getting them whether you like it or not. Doesn't mean we won't get another caster (either new or epic of an old one) as well, but we are most surely getting a third incarnation of either Krueger, Kaya, or Baldur (probably not Baldur).

[Bradigus]

My money's on Kaya, mounted, possibly with some sort of voluntary dismount rule. So a 3 model caster. Kaya, Laris and Kaya riding Laris... I like it.

[RidetheLightning]

Some great theories being posted out there folks! I certainly hope Privateer is watching these forums for great ideas! When I first heard of tier 3 warlocks my mind went to Kaya. While I understand that she hasn't been instrumental in the fluff, I feel she is in many ways Circle's most recognizable warlock. I love the idea of a mounted Laris too! I will play advocate for the Krueger fans though! When talking pure power and ambition, no one touches the Stormlord! The most feasible idea (IMO) is going to be Krueger with a "living" solo, like a wilder or druid initiate. Sadly, while Baldur is one of my favorite 'locks, a tier 3 Baldur is just too soon I feel. Someday though lookout for Baldur the Stonehewn! (ok haha the name needs some work)

[brokennecron]

how about: Baldur, the stone...... :P

[Geekly]

I would love to see Kaya come back as a really competitive caster. She may be my favorite Circle character in the fluff, but as plenty of people have mentioned, she's not very central to the narrative. Kreuger seems like the logical choice, but he's kind of a ******.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

I personally have to say that Kaya riding Laris would feel like a bit of a disappointment at this point I think. There are THREE casters being released in Colossals that are essentially that exact thing except that Laris is a wolf instead of a horse. The biggest thing making me lean towards Krueger rather than Kaya as the L3 epic is that in Colossals it seems like the warcaster is to a point paired with the Colossal of the faction. ThreeMo certainly goes with Stormwall, I'd say there is a decent argument for Vlad3 and the Conquest as well as Gaspy3 and the Kraken to an extent (mostly that a lot of story has been about Gaspy).

Unless Kaya is a completely different style of caster than she is now, which I think would be very strange personally, I don't see her meshing up well with the Woldwrath. I'd have said Baldur2 was a better fit for that, but since that moment has come and gone now and getting a Baldur3 seems unlikely ... I have to lean to Krueger for what I think makes sense. Also, Kaya already HAS additional board presence where as all of the Colossals 'casters didn't come with anything additional.

[Katkiller 5]

I would normally say that a new Kaya is the most likely, but the more I think about it the less sure I am.

The main issue is Laris. He would either also need to be upgraded to an epic version, she would need to become a cav model riding him, or he would be removed entirely. Personally, I would prefer they remain seperate models, with Laris also going epic with a new animus/rules etc. The cav idea is cute, but as I doubt she would retain shadow-pack, I would have severe reservations about the survivability of a large-based warlock, especially with her typical ARM stat, in Circle.

She does have an advantage though, in terms of her focus. As a nearly pure-beast caster, and with both of her current versions relying on teleporting tricks, it would be interesting to see her shift to more of a balanced spell list, or even to simply take a new approach on beast support.


Krueger does have advantages in that they don't need to worry about the companion model, and he's more central to the fluff currently than Kaya (as awesome as her and Grayle were, he's still a more central character). The issue here is: what do you give him? pKrueger is all about the infantry-hate, whereas eKrueger is far more board-control oriented. Would a new version pick one or the other, or would he become a balance between the two? I see a lot more questions here about direction than I do with Kaya.


As far as a new Baldur, yeah.. not happening, not when we just got an epic version.


My bigger questions for our new book is what we get beyond the new warlock. Another epic? Another regular lock? Beasts without SELF animus for once? Weapon master WoO? I honestly have no idea.

[Delrogue]

iKrueger with a lightning cloud he can ride around in like that old tv series - Monkey Magic...

I could just imagine him summoning it as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K25QkogsjH0

[Wishfullthinker]

I think there is a good chance we will get a new baldur form. Why? Story wise, he said he wasn't going to around for long in story in domination, opening up a possibility of a new form. Second, we all know that we will be getting a colossal wold, and privateer will want to make sure the theme list will take advantage of that, baldur is the one who would be the best fit, unless they create a new wold caster. Some say that since baldur was the last circle caster to go epic it doesn't make sense that he would go epic3 already, true, but the last cygnar caster to go epic was nemo and who is going epic 3 first?. Of course privateer press is pretty unpredictable in how they handle things, Kruger would be the second option, as he does use wolds on occasion.

[Stallandor]

pKruger - anti infantry
eKruger - board control
lKruger - anti collosy/gargantuants

You know you want to see it.