Archidon pronunciation

[correlation2]

Air isn't a natural A sound. CARE-et is just the way North Americans say it. Its a lot less pronounced in other countries and more true to its spelling.

As far as I know ( haven't been in school for a long time so brace yourself ) the letter A is only interpreted as either A ( like day ) or ah ( like blah ). Different words make it sound differently in North America because North Americans have weird ways of saying a lot of words.

If card and carrot have different pronunciations to you its entirely because of the way you're used to saying the words and has nothing to do with the core language rules themselves. Then again language rules for English are almost useless given the number of contradictions which makes it among the ( if not THE ) hardest second language to learn in the world.

[Akiosama]

Rancor, you're assuming that these aren't merely translations of the words the Skorne use. Given the names of many of the other beasts presented, I would say that it's more like a 'common designation' rather than what the Skorne actually use.

Much like the use of code names for foreign vehicles in the military, I'd imagine. We pronounce it "Tai-gur", in the US, and the Germans pronounce it "Tee-gehr", or something close to that. Or better yet, the US designation of the Tiger II - King Tiger - as opposed to the German Königstiger. Rough translation, not the exact native word - Königstiger is the German word for Bengal Tiger.

(And don't get me started on the mucked up pronunciations I hear of Japanese words... bleah.)

My 2 crowns,

Lieutenant-Adept Akio

[Frozen Yakman]

But you forget, the word archon, which is closer to Archidon than children, is pronounced 'ar-kon' not 'ar-chon', and I would think that example would define the pronunciation more, since it appears to me like the etymology of the word is a mash-up of 'archon' (ruler) and 'pteranadon' (flying dinosaur that the Archidon resembles).

Kind of a Pteranadon Rex, so to speak, ruler of the skies. Sounds kinda Skorne-y, to me. 'Ar-ki-don'.

My 2 crowns,

Lieutenant-Adept Akio

Archon comes from Greek probably via another languages Romanization and thus is spelled wrong.

Domination is written in English, but Archidon is a word that was "imported wholesale from a language that uses the Roman character set but not the English alphabet", which was Skorne. So the pronounciation is up in the air, as we have no skorne linguists in this thread that I know of.

You can't import wholesale from a fictional language that doesn't exist. It'd be one thing if were talking Tolkein Elven or Klingon where those languages have actually been created, but I've seen no indication that Privateer Press has created actual languages for their fictional countries.

Air isn't a natural A sound. CARE-et is just the way North Americans say it. Its a lot less pronounced in other countries and more true to its spelling.

As far as I know ( haven't been in school for a long time so brace yourself ) the letter A is only interpreted as either A ( like day ) or ah ( like blah ). Different words make it sound differently in North America because North Americans have weird ways of saying a lot of words.

If card and carrot have different pronunciations to you its entirely because of the way you're used to saying the words and has nothing to do with the core language rules themselves. Then again language rules for English are almost useless given the number of contradictions which makes it among the ( if not THE ) hardest second language to learn in the world.

United States English has mutated much less than the other English speaking countries. England just likes to murder its language more than the US and then force it on the Commonwealth Countries.

[correlation2]

Well it is THEIR language, I suppose they can do what they want with it. My travels have kind of led me to believe that American English is... well, I don't really intend to offend Americans, but seems the world view is its pretty bad.

Then again I suppose some people consider words like colour pretty bad.

[Akiosama]

Whether a word comes from a different country or not, it can influence the general etymology of a language. In this case, consider the two words that appear to have been used to create the name "Archidon" - it is more likely to be influenced by the pronunciation of those words, and not other more generic pronunciations within the language as a whole. It's a derived word.

As for "'archon' is Romanized and is thus spelled wrong" - in most languages there are imported words, and they become part of the language as they are brought in. They may not hold to the previously established pronunciation/spelling rules before, but they do influence words created AFTER their inclusion in the language and should not be ignored. Too many of our words in English are brought in from other languages.

Heck, English is considered a Germanic language, and yet Latin is often considered a good study for learning vocabulary in English. Wouldn't that suggest that English is a Romance language, too?

It's not cut and dry. You can't ignore a datum just because it doesn't fit inside your schema.

My 2 crowns,

Lieutenant-Adept Akio

[PG_Cloud-Gatherer]

Heck, English is considered a Germanic language, and yet Latin is often considered a good study for learning vocabulary in English. Wouldn't that suggest that English is a Romance language, too?

I'd say modern English is definitely a Romance language, as roughly 60% of our vocabulary is derived from Latin (with another 10% or so from Greek, thanks to the Greeks' influence on the Romans). Old English was a Germanic language, but the ancient inhabitants of Britannia got conquered so much (by the Romans, and then later by the French-speaking Normans) that their language base was fundamentally changed. That's why Old English is basically a foreign language to modern English-speakers.

Anyway, to get back on topic, it's "AR-ki-don" thanks to the Greeks, and it's "KAY-dor" because PP said so.

[Akiosama]

That's pretty interesting - I'd have to agree with you, Cloud-Gatherer. Officially, though, I believe English is still considered a Germanic language.

Interestingly enough, I just realized that the word 'schema' that I used above, also illustrates what this pronunciation of 'ch' should be.

My 2 crowns,

Lieutenant-Adept Akio

[Rancor]

Anyway, to get back on topic, it's "AR-ki-don" thanks to the Greeks, and it's "KAY-dor" because PP said so.

Done and done.

[Akiosama]

Heh. Now let's all go out for some Care-ee-oh-kee. (Groan)

[Mod_Gemini]

It's pronounced Kay-door, that's been stated by Privateer many times. Please get this discussion back to the OP's question.

And personally, I believe it's pronounced Ark-uh-don.
(editted for color, didn't mean to make that too official!)

[Rancor]

There you have it folks, in official mod font color. It's pronounced Ark-Uh-Don. I like it. Although, I vote that "Archy: the leather winged pigeon of death" is still a viable nickname.

[DoktorVivi]

The h is clearly cosmetic here (as it is in most English words in which the h follows a consonant which is not changed into a new sound by it (such as c, t, or s)). What we have is a hard k sound, as in carrot, since that's the sound k always makes when it's the first letter of a word. After the k-, we have the letter 'a', which has a host of possible sounds, so we have to look at what comes *after* to determine what it sounds like. The k- doesn't modify it. Otherwise, carrot and card would have the same pronunciation on the 'a', for example.

Yeah, that's pretty much the way I thought of it too. Silent 'h,' there to look pretty.

[mauler78]

I would have to agree with ARK-uh-don, and that is the way many people in my region have been pronouncing it. Though, New Englanders are very prone to butcher words and make them sound complete different from even the way they are spelled, to include dropping sounds that are obvious there, or adding sounds that are not part of the work. Though we do the first one much more.

I few examples for those not familiar with New England word butchery.

car = ka
quarter = qatr
coffee = cawfee

and my favorite

the city of Worchester = Wooster

[Mod_Gemini]

There you have it folks, in official mod font color. It's pronounced Ark-Uh-Don.

Just a note on this, I am not a Privateer Press employee, so in no way is my pronounciation the official one. I'm just saying that's what I assume it is, and how I've been pronouncing it. You would definitely want to see someone with a "PPS" in front of their name before you say it's set in stone.

[DoktorVivi]

and my favorite

the city of Worchester = Wooster

And Worchestershire (as in the sauce) = Woostersher

[PG_LordTyrant Porkchop]

I few examples for those not familiar with New England word butchery.

car = ka
quarter = qatr
coffee = cawfee

and my favorite

the city of Worchester = Wooster

Jeet? Naw? How 'bout some hot wieners? We got some in the bahn(barn) in the back yahd(yard).

OT:
I've been calling it Arch-i-don. I never thought of calling it Ark-e-don. That does sound much neater... but I think I'm gonna hang to my original pronunciation. Because laughing when I announce that Archie just crit pitched something puts a smile on my face.

[Mod_Gemini]

I would have to agree with ARK-uh-don, and that is the way many people in my region have been pronouncing it. Though, New Englanders are very prone to butcher words and make them sound complete different from even the way they are spelled, to include dropping sounds that are obvious there, or adding sounds that are not part of the work. Though we do the first one much more.

I few examples for those not familiar with New England word butchery.

car = ka
quarter = qatr
coffee = cawfee

and my favorite

the city of Worchester = Wooster

It's spelled "Worcester," there's no "h" in it.

And it's way worse in Rhode Island (pronounced: Roedylin' if you're a native)

Pawtucket (home of the Temple Games) = P'tukit
Warwick (recent home of Templecon) = Wah-ick

But, New England pronounces everything correctly, so clearly everyone else is wrong.

Edit: Especially those of you that cheer for any team other than the Sawx.

[quindraco]

It's spelled "Worcester," there's no "h" in it.

And it's way worse in Rhode Island (pronounced: Roedylin' if you're a native)

Pawtucket = P'tukit
Warwick = Wah-ick

But, New England pronounces everything correctly, so clearly everyone else is wrong.

Edit: Especially those of you that cheer for any team other than the Sawx.

Speak for yourself, I'm from Connecticut. We have people from New Britain who pronounce it New Bri'ain, and inner city folks like you get everywhere, but other than that we don't really butcher anything. Not like you filthy heathens in Mass.

[Mod_Gemini]

Speak for yourself, I'm from Connecticut. We have people from New Britain who pronounce it New Bri'ain, and inner city folks like you get everywhere, but other than that we don't really butcher anything. Not like you filthy heathens in Mass.

I'm originally from CT, I actually pronounce everything correctly, but that's also because I'm wicked smaht.

[Dark Lord of Puppies]

never mind, it was already fixed . . . see what happens when you get up early in the morning . . .

[Rancor]

Listen, we where the first ones here, so we can pronounce words however we want. Walk into any bar in south e and tell the guys inside they're butchering words. Then try to leave...try.

[komodokeeper]

There you have it folks, in official mod font color. It's pronounced Ark-Uh-Don. I like it. Although, I vote that "Archy: the leather winged pigeon of death" is still a viable nickname.

Does that make the bronzeback "Jughead, the pachyderm of aggression?"

OT:
I've been calling it Arch-i-don. I never thought of calling it Ark-e-don. That does sound much neater...

To me it sounds like you are ordering one of my favorite Japanese dishes- Sukiyakidon

Lastly, Enjoy

[Rancor]

Does that make the bronzeback "Jughead, the pachyderm of aggression?"

If it didn't before it does now.

Also, having never actually watched any Gallagher stand up before, assuming it was all watermelons, I now like Gallagher.