For Those Who Have Playtested Ghetorix....

[PG_fildrigar]

Mea Culpa. Tone is notoriously hard to read on the internet, and seeing a phrase like "keyboard cowboy" raised my hackles.

[Beckman]

I'd like to pipe in that I also enjoy Bakemono's posts. Even if I disagree with him on multiple occasions, he gives me food for thought, which is good. I hope he's not discouraged from posting by the undeserved bashing he received - if he irks you, ignore his posts. This is a forum for everyone who keeps a civil tone to peruse, and while he may be stubborn at times which sometimes vexes me as well I do not believe he has actually shown bad manners.

Or it may just be that I like him for using two Purebloods in his lists. I love that beast.

See, I agree with this. While I may disagree with Bakemono a lot, I enjoy his posts.. because he has thought it out and gives detailed reasons for why he feels the way that he does. I think he has the tenancy to go against the grain for the fun of it a little, but he's a free thinker and a bit of an elitist about his models. I like that.

He's also not stingy with trying to explain his logic or answer questions, which adds to the depth of the community when you think about why he's saying what he says.

Last, his style of using Druids as a lynchpin of lists that rely upon the push/pull mechanics is fairly similar to my own. Although sometimes our other choices of models vary significantly.

[PG_Valkine]

Mea Culpa. Tone is notoriously hard to read on the internet, and seeing a phrase like "keyboard cowboy" raised my hackles.

Keyboard Cowboy makes me think about Neuromancer/Count Zero/William Gibson cyberpunk books.

I really like the look of Ghetorix. I'm not sure when I'll get him (limited cash for new models, and I have a lot of stuff I need) but it will probably be soon as I think he'll fit really well into a lot of lists I'm using at the moment (which is going to make character restrictions difficult).

[VOLK]

See, I agree with this. While I may disagree with Bakemono a lot, I enjoy his posts.. because he has thought it out and gives detailed reasons for why he feels the way that he does. I think he has the tenancy to go against the grain for the fun of it a little, but he's a free thinker and a bit of an elitist about his models. I like that.

He's also not stingy with trying to explain his logic or answer questions, which adds to the depth of the community when you think about why he's saying what he says.

Last, his style of using Druids as a lynchpin of lists that rely upon the push/pull mechanics is fairly similar to my own. Although sometimes our other choices of models vary significantly.

Just make sure that lynchpin is not triggering Warpath. Enjoying "elitist free-thinking renegades" is fine, but they are on occasion just flat out wrong.

Anyway, the guy dropped the topic like three days ago, so I'm not sure why this is still under discussion. It's getting to the point that people are romanticizing his plight. I promise you, neither skillt nor Neutralyze nor anyone else is currently hunting Bakemono for sport with their freakishly large dogs.

[ShoX]

I'll just say this.

Thank you PP for Circle still being the Hordes Faction with the most stuff that fits neatly on a large base. Every time I play against a friend's Cryx Army, I am scared for their models with all the stuff sticking out.

Btw, will the upgrade kit only work with the plastic wolf? I think Ghetorix may make my pewter feral obsolete anyway, and I would just retool that model if it works.

[eliassmith27]

Btw, will the upgrade kit only work with the plastic wolf? I think Ghetorix may make my pewter feral obsolete anyway, and I would just retool that model if it works.

I'm converting a classic Feral into Ghetorix. The scale is right, it just take a good deal of putty to close gaps.

[PG_fildrigar]

Just make sure that lynchpin is not triggering Warpath. Enjoying "elitist free-thinking renegades" is fine, but they are on occasion just flat out wrong.

Anyway, the guy dropped the topic like three days ago, so I'm not sure why this is still under discussion. It's getting to the point that people are romanticizing his plight. I promise you, neither skillt nor Neutralyze nor anyone else is currently hunting Bakemono for sport with their freakishly large dogs.

It's still under discussion, because people keep dropping in here calling others names like "keyboard cowboy" and "elitist free thinking renegade." Just drop the name calling, alright? Can't we all just get along?

[grimni22]

I'm with fildrigar, discussions like these don't add anything so just pm or sth.

about ghetorix: is there anyone else that doesn't like the model?

[Mattho2k3]

I'm not a fan of the model but love what it does on the table. I will admit I think it looks better in person than the picture that PP released.

[Keiichiro]

Hmmmm... haven't seen anyone talking about the implication of having the warp for hyper aggressive and the ornery animus up simultaneously...

If there is an implication...

[VOLK]

He looks much better without the goofy goat horns on the top of his head.

[eliassmith27]

Hmmmm... haven't seen anyone talking about the implication of having the warp for hyper aggressive and the ornery animus up simultaneously...

If there is an implication...

well unfortunately, Ornery only triggers off melee. Hyper Aggression, while not specified, is really only useful against ranged attacks. (Back strikes and Mage Hunter Assassins are an exception to this, but are rare) The synergy between the 2 abilities are very limited. Unyielding and Hyper Aggression have fantastic synergys.

[theaY]

I've used him so far with Mohsar and eBaldur. So far, this guy is incredible.
not just because he is statistically very strong, but the attention that he garners keeps my other models very much alive.

[Mod_Gemini]

Let's keep the discussion in this thread about Ghetorix and tactics, thanks.

[Orbis Orboros]

I'm with fildrigar, discussions like these don't add anything so just pm or sth.

about ghetorix: is there anyone else that doesn't like the model?

I really like his model myself, with two exceptions - I don't like the long horns on top of his head, and I don't like that he uses two different kinds of arms.

I filed down the horns to make them smaller, and I'm looking into putting armor on his Pureblood arm.


Is like to repeat again how awesome I think he is. He's probably my favorite beast now. I've yet to even mildly regret takin him, including the time I took him and missed out on eKaya's tier.

[PG_fildrigar]

I really like his model myself, with two exceptions - I don't like the long horns on top of his head, and I don't like that he uses two different kinds of arms.

I filed down the horns to make them smaller, and I'm looking into putting armor on his Pureblood arm.


Is like to repeat again how awesome I think he is. He's probably my favorite beast now. I've yet to even mildly regret takin him, including the time I took him and missed out on eKaya's tier.

Those pretty much are the only arms that fit, aren't they. ( Putting mine together after the FLGS finally got him in. )

[luker]

Tried Ghetorix in an EKrueger list and he went down in one round against legion Unfortunately, it was partly my fault leaving him un-engaged full fury for a blightbomb.
He has alot of nice stuff going, but you cant use it when you need it. For instance I had him primaled and he took a charged swing and a bite to kill a Shredder and 4 swings to kill a Scythean leaving no fury for the one time I would rally like to retaliate. So with his animus being self I really cant see you getting it up after he kills something.

Also, I would like to add that Bakemo always says stuff that makes you think about your army and I enjoy his reads. I was glad to see him posting again.

[SageofLodoss]

Tried Ghetorix in an EKrueger list and he went down in one round against legion Unfortunately, it was partly my fault leaving him un-engaged full fury for a blightbomb.
He has alot of nice stuff going, but you cant use it when you need it. For instance I had him primaled and he took a charged swing and a bite to kill a Shredder and 4 swings to kill a Scythean leaving no fury for the one time I would rally like to retaliate. So with his animus being self I really cant see you getting it up after he kills something.

That scenario is indicative of bad dice rolls, not Ghetorix. A charged primaled swing with Ghetorix should be Dice +9 on a Shredder. +7 with Spiny Growth. Even if it had Spiny Growth, you'd need a 6 on three dice to kill a Shredder. In addition, a Primaled Ghetorix will on average scrap a Scythean in 3 swings unless it had Spiny Growth.

Use his retaliatory strike animus when you're not devoting to scrap a heavy. If you're scrapping an enemy heavy, you've already done good.

[JosephKerr]

Not knowing Circle that well I thought I'd throw in my two cents seeing Ghetorix go up against another player. He was in a Kromac list and proved an extremely powerful lane blocker. Terror and Reach caused one failed command check. Hyper Aggressive got him where he needed to be a turn early and did combo well with Ornery, letting him approach and hold. Couldn't walk around him and had to take a 17 to the face to attack him. The opponent, Cygnar, rolled poorly at range and couldn't take him down in melee. Really, his best strength seems to be how LITTLE support he needs to be successful. Need threat range? Put on Hyper Aggressive. Need to recharge your health? Snacking to the rescue. Wanna crack armor? Warp for Strength. Throw in an animus that means he can possibly cripple an attacker's aspect and make him commit extra resources OR make your counter attack that much easier and you have a well rounded beast that can almost play on his own. He worked really well in the Kromac list and all it took was a bit of rethinking the list, ultimately taking the place of a Gnarlhorn and other spare parts. I, for one, was impressed.

[Critical]

Check out my mod in the painting forums on a Pureblood conversion:
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...rix-Conversion

Interesting reading about all the options for caster combos. I usually play just for the fluff so into my Kromac list he goes.
Cheers!
Critical

[Andal]

Played him in a 25 pt tourney and had him do some impressive things with Kromac. He ,in particular, gets a lot of use out warpath. Game one he survived a fully loaded Deathjack after i horribly screwed up my order of activation. Game two he killed a cyclone, a thunderhead, and Kraye. Game three he absorbed a ton of damage, blocked charge lanes, and killed a deathripper and pDenny. All these were the first games I had ever played with circle. Hyper-aggressive was really good in some games and snacking never came up but having played with trolls i know its utility. The melee armor buff is amazing and powerful charge lets him tag warcasters/locks without even boosting. I quite like him so far though the lack of pathfinder was a bit of a bummer.

[FeralJim]

you want to trade? ill give you Proteus for ghetorix.

hahhahaha.... I can't stop laughing. damn you Circle boys and your Ghetorix!

seriously though, he seems pretty awesome for 11 points.

[PG_LEJKaya]

seriously though, he seems pretty awesome for 11 points.

He is!

[Kyuss]

Can I be a Keyboard Gun Mage instead of a Cowboy...?

I've only used him with Mohsar, alongside a Stalker and A Woldwarden. His lack of pathfinder seems to be on most occasions negated by the other two taking Terrain duty, and using Pillars of Salt to protect him if Hyper Agressive can't get him into combat (only happened once considering the 8" to engage, but was still useful). Never needed the combo with Curse of Shadows yet, but I can see that not much is going to stand up to it perhaps bar Tiberion with Bump up.

Current personal life means I haven't been able to get him really going, but I think he's a really valuable tool in our box.

I also like saying 'Beware of G-Rex' and doing a bad dinosaur impression as well. But I think that's just me....! Can't wait to get the kit and convert up the Extreme Warpwolf I've had for ages.

[Freeburn]

Do you think converting the metal feral into Gheto would be acceptable, from a TO's perspective? As long as you have the right head and weapons you should be good, right? Also, what if you left the two spiked horns off the head, but kept the more Tharn-like horns on? Do you think that would be acceptable?

[PG_ikildkenny]

according to the SR conversion rules, that should be ok

since the only requirement(s) for a legal model with a upgrade kit is (are), that you use the whole kit (and that you cannot use that model as something else e.g. a stalker) you should be fine with an extreme-based GRex

[Beckman]

according to the SR conversion rules, that should be ok

since the only requirement(s) for a legal model with a upgrade kit is (are), that you use the whole kit (and that you cannot use that model as something else e.g. a stalker) you should be fine with an extreme-based GRex

I thought there was a 50% rule - that more than 50% of the model has to be from the model that is being represented? (If I saw an Extreme Ghet, I would probably be fine with it... Just saying..)

[Ap0th]

I'm pretty sure that's the GW rule.

[PG_ikildkenny]

no, that IS a SR rule ... but it applies to conversions of original models - since GRex (and any other upgrade kit for that matter) technically does not have an original model (apart from his parts on a plastic kit if you want to) the additional rules for said kits exist

[Freeburn]

So, do you think if you omitted the "horns" part of Gheto's headdress that they'd have an issue with that?

[PG_ikildkenny]

someone who takes those rules to the letter instead of seiing them as guidelines to avoid any discussion between players might ... (I btw would not ... and I do run ~4 major events a year)

[PG_cheddercaveman]

So, do you think if you omitted the "horns" part of Gheto's headdress that they'd have an issue with that?

I could see it being an issue sometime or other. I personally agree with having the mod rules for tournaments because I find it hard enough to memorize what all the units look like to keep it straight in my head when I look at the table. That said, Ghetorix's giant axe is going to be a dead give-away, so personally I'd say you have some wiggle room there. For myself, I actually like that he looks like a Tharn.

[VOLK]

As long as you have the head, it's fine.

[crazypackage]

He's not a Stalker replacement, he's a Feral replacement. He's the new heavy hitter in Circle and he can take it on the chin to boot.

He also has a very interesting late game play where you heal him to full effect (1 or 2 boxes, depending on how damaged he is) and then warp for snacking and trample over a bunch of infantry to recoup the rest of his health (and screw over eGaspy's feat)

Can't snack the undead. Learned this the hard way last year playing as eDoomie against the Gaspter.

[Freeburn]

I would guess Ghetorix can use the Pureblood's Ghostly, right?

[Blaque]

I would guess Ghetorix can use the Pureblood's Ghostly, right?

He's a Warpwolf. No reason why not.

And stuff.

[Warpwolf Fenrir]

I am fielding him for the first time tonight in a 35pts per player doubles match.

eKaya & Laris
Ghetorix
Feral x 2
Gorax
Shifting Stones- Shifting Stones UA

Stones are there for healing and fury control, and if need be, after Kayas feat so the wolves can target them when they frenzy rather than batter each other. Maybe get liucky with a knockdown from the Stone Keeper, but hese there for Stealth and enhanced CMD range for the stones.

Cycle Forced Evo between the 2 Ferals on the Alpha strike with Primal and Warp Strength (or Warp Speed if needed)
Ghetorix gets Primal & Warp Strength.

Sacrifice stones to the auto-frenzy round.

Ferals wil be positioned to die first if need be, taking Warp Armour from that point on, putting Forced Evo onto to Ghetorix with Primal and Warp Strength for the finishing touch, boosting threat range via Dogpile through Laris.

That last strike will be:
Charging for free
MAT 11 on the charge
P&S 23
Effective Threat Range 13"
With 4 fury left for hitting away
And DEF16 against any return strikes if it comes to it

Simple classic eKaya Mauler Missile tactic.

I am wondering though whether to drop Gorax and Stones and go for Druids instead to draw targets in?

That or just drop the Gorax for a Blackclad and Lyanssa Ryssl for two Hunters Marks.

[!amicable]

As long as you have the head, it's fine.

I don't think I'll use the metal head, but I will keep the horns and stone antler things. I guess that's probably not ok by strict interpretation of the SR rules.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Used him last night. Odd game, not really helpful as this will rarely happen but my opponent spent a turn not shooting him (He had Hyper Aggressive) and then forgot for his Eiryss1 so I got a full advance after the last model activated in his turn.
I wasn't planning on it but I managed to get him a free charge with a blackclad into all my opponents jacks, engaging both renegades and the mangler. I then destroyed the renegade and left the mangler with just one system before feating (Baldur 2) and leaving him on ARM 22.

He survived the next turn (Kayazy Eliminators failed CMD )even though he sent in Magnus himself and frenzied on Magnus!

Don't ever think Hyper Aggressive isn't useful both ways. It stops them shooting you out of fear and REALLY punishes them if they do shoot you. Since pretty much nobody will kill a DEF 14 heavy with shooting in a turn its a good bet he will be there to make a mess for you.

[TrilliumLT]

Love this guy! Charged in on 2 ret heavy jacks with warping +2 str and had the Gorax animus on him. With the help of some awesome dice rolls I shredded those jacks and next turn I raged on his caster who happened to be hiding just behind them.