Throne of Everblight experiences

[GRYM]

I am thinking about getting one of these models and was wondering how it performs both good and bad for those who have tried it out. I have noted it is not fearless and has anyone had issues with that? What casters work best with it and which spell(s) do favor using with it? I was thinking to make sure to use a seraph with this model to get the extra inch or so move forward. I play Darius and craning a Storm Strider can ruin peoples day esp with how his placement work Vs. the Seraph's. Do you find that the beast can generate enough Corpse tokens to keep it going? Looking at it book wise and not having played it it would seem you want to engage infantry with it and not bigger stuff. Thanks

KSW

[trencher7]

Wasn't it errated that the Throne also is fearless?

[Obeisance]

I've played against the Throne a few times. It wasn't all that impressive.

[Northern Ronin]

I am thinking about getting one of these models and was wondering how it performs both good and bad for those who have tried it out. I have noted it is not fearless and has anyone had issues with that?

This was a typo on PP's part. The throne is in fact Fearless, just as Bayal is in fact an Officer, and the Black Frost Shard are Nyss.

[vaildin]

I've used the throne a fair bit. For the first few games, I sort of threw it out at the enemy and let them throw everything they had into killing it. It would die, but generally left them open to a fatal counter-attack. After that, I started playing a little more carefully with it, and it started surviving.

I really like running it with Bethayne. The more magic the better, and it also has other things it can do. The super-reach is nice, and helps make up for the low speed. It clogs a charge lane like no one's business. It doesn't do a whole lot against jacks, and I once had it charge Fenris and not even knock him off his horse.

I tend to deploy it right in the center of my deployment zone, and let it be the center of everything. For 9 points, it really should be front and center, not off on a flank somewhere.

edit: oh, and don't count on corpse tokens. I don't think I've ever had more then 2.

ps: I thought crane only worked on jacks?

[VOLK]

Just remember it only has "super reach" while making attacks during its activation.

[Beckman]

I have had good luck with it. It tarpits well, kills infantry fairly well, and can hurt heavies in a pinch. With souls, it can damage a heavy pretty decently. Two charging thrones have taken out a heavy in games that I have played. It gets better when you consider that they ignore pesky shield bonuses.

[vaildin]

I would have to say that the throne is just dangerous enough that your opponent probably can't ignore it. But its not so amazing it that losing it will cost you the game. I would not run it in every list with every caster, but I'd probably run it with any caster except maybe Abby or eThags. Even then, it wouldn't necessarily be useless with either of them, its just not necessarily what they want to spend points on.

Be careful to not let it get in your own way. It is very large, and can clog up your own movement if your not careful.

[Neutralyze]

I view the throne as our ultimate lane blocker and infantry stopper. It can handle most low single wound infantry pretty well.

[Beckman]

I view the throne as our ultimate lane blocker and infantry stopper. It can handle most low single wound infantry pretty well.

It's also the ultimate LOS blocker, too. Can't be knocked down, pushed, slammed or thrown really helps with that.

[JosephKerr]

Using it with Rhyas it's nice to have that kind of infantry clearing power without needing to worry about frenzy checks, as well as having another magic attack. Using it with a Naga proxy it's proved almost surprising in it's ability to clear any type of infantry. When it survives a counter attack from your opponent it can easily have mulched a full unit and then some. The real question is whether ARM 19 and 24 boxes base is enough for a model priced as a Heavy without the ability to take out Heavies on the opposing side. Overall though I've found it to be really quite good at either holding a CP or acting as a sight blocker.
Be careful of circular vision! While awesome on a battle engine so your attacks can hit anything in melee range without the need to parse them out left/right, once you engage it is very easy for your opponent to walk around the Throne without freestrikes. Finally, regarding the corpse tokens, I've mainly used them in conjunction with Battle Wizard to pick off UA's and support solos after first contact with a unit. Proven very useful.

[Gython]

...regarding the corpse tokens, I've mainly used them in conjunction with Battle Wizard to pick off UA's and support solos after first contact with a unit. Proven very useful.

How so Jopseph? You charge a unit, kill a tropper & gain a corpse token, then use your 2nd & 3rd attacks on the UA and/or support solo, boosting to hit with the initial corpse token gained?

[JosephKerr]

The corpse tokens aren't limited to melee. They only state attack and damage rolls. Should be usable when making magic attacks too. So you can eat a model, fire off frostbite, and use the token to boost to hit or for damage against that UA in the back. It's really neutered some units that rely on their UA's like Winterguard. Against them I like to use a Blessed Throne to eat two guys then fire off either of the spells and hit the UA, boosting to hit then boosting for damage to make sure and eat the 5 damage off him. One tough roll later and you're looking at a max 15 DEF unit, much easier to deal with.

[PG_Vynde]

The corpse tokens aren't limited to melee. They only state attack and damage rolls. Should be usable when making magic attacks too. So you can eat a model, fire off frostbite, and use the token to boost to hit or for damage against that UA in the back. It's really neutered some units that rely on their UA's like Winterguard. Against them I like to use a Blessed Throne to eat two guys then fire off either of the spells and hit the UA, boosting to hit then boosting for damage to make sure and eat the 5 damage off him. One tough roll later and you're looking at a max 15 DEF unit, much easier to deal with.

its my understand that you can't choose which attack to trigger battle wizard on, it happens on the first kill no matter what, and if you choose to not use it then you lose it.

[JosephKerr]

Battle Wizard is not limited to the first attack, however it needs to be made immediately after an attack. You can choose to do it after any qualifying melee attack but if you choose not to and do not make another qualifying attack you've lost your chance. Specifically Battle Wizard is not limited to the FIRST melee attack that destroys an enemy model.
EDIT: Here's the Infernal ruling:
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...hrone%2Bwizard

[vaildin]

The thing about battle wizard, is you either kill one dude and use it, or risk either missing your last attack, or failng that last damage roll. Ideally, you'd charge into melee, kill three enemy models, and use the three corpse tokens to boost on the spell. Realistically, you probably battle wizard after the first or second roll, depending on how much you trust your dice.

[JosephKerr]

Great point, vaildin. Absolutely. It's at least an option to gamble for more tokens. And really, in a dice game, who doesn't love to gamble the odds!

[SneaklePete]

The throne is great with Bethanye, I run it instead of another heavy so I can skimp out on fury management. Feat turn with battle wizard takes its infantry clearing potential up another notch, and it makes a great obstacle for Hex Hunters to exploit against less mobile foes.

[PG_Vynde]

Battle Wizard is not limited to the first attack, however it needs to be made immediately after an attack. You can choose to do it after any qualifying melee attack but if you choose not to and do not make another qualifying attack you've lost your chance. Specifically Battle Wizard is not limited to the FIRST melee attack that destroys an enemy model.
EDIT: Here's the Infernal ruling:
http://privateerpressforums.com/show...hrone%2Bwizard

Awesome! Learn something new every day. Thanks Josephkerr

[Phyxious]

I've found that the Throne is as much a psychological warfare piece as anything else. People see it and it LOOKS like a big threat. Whether it is or not, of course, depends largely on your opponent's army composition, but as long as your opponent thinks its a threat, then you're gaining ground. For example, I've used it to lure the Behemoth out and into charge range of my Scythean because my opponent was afraid of the throne. Trade my 9-point throne for a 13-point Behemoth? Yes please!

First and foremost, though, you have to understand the Throne's role. It wasn't designed to go after heavy beasts/'Jacks. It is ultimately an anti-infantry platform, and preferably low def/high arm infantry at that. It's going to do better against def 12/arm 18 infantry than it will against def16/arm12 infantry.

[Rampaging Elk]

It's good with eVayl. I've played against it in her list, and the chain reach makes it an awesome target for becoming an arc node in the middle of the board with 360 vision for eVayl.

[GRYM]

First thanks for the info thus far. I am hoping to see also what animii or spells you find most effective with the throne. I had the feeling that it was more anti-infantry looking at its stats. Its good to know its fearless as well, I just missed that part in the errata. Have you found any good combos, I was thinking that if had gotten stuck in with some infantry then Bushwhack via a Stinger would be very handy or Spiny Growth and then casting Eruption of Spines on the Throne so you'll only damage it on box cars, this may be handy depending on how boxed in the Throne is or used in conjunction of clearing a control point on the board of enemy models. I'd maybe do a point to the thing to hit some enemy models.

Also in reguards to Darius- he can place a FRIENDLY MODEL - not just a Warjack, this is why the in the Colossal article in NQ 41 they give that nod to Darius, this is a thing to watch for to as he can place the model anywhere within 1" of its current location thus he can pick up the Storm Strider and place it so the back edge is within 1" of its current location (and thus a whole HUGE base +1" forward) Vs. a Seraph which the model has to be COMPLETELY within 2" of its current location (thus only 2" forward). It's really quite amazing to see just how far the Storm Strider can get on a turn when starting next to Darius. You have been warned.

KSW

[JosephKerr]

I DID get one lucky bit of generalship today I could share. I used the place effect on Rhyas' feat to charge diagonally, hit a model on the outskirts of the Thrones 4" melee range, and place on the opposite edge of the model so it could reach another unit further to the right. While I didn't get the first unit to flee due to Terror I did get the newly engaged unit and it ended up giving me a CP. Really a lucky roll on that command check (lucky for me anyway) but it drove home how useful Terror can be.

[GRYM]

I currently only own E-Lylyth & Rhyas and I was thinking her feat could be really fun with this thing. Damage/Kill the target model( and if its at the extreme of the Throne's reach you get a decent move bump as well), move Throne, perhaps use a spell or not, make more melee attacks. This would be really useful with Bushwhack on the Throne too if engaged at the beginning of its turn.

KSW

[sathoon]

At first I was worried about it getting charged to bits, so my first several games it did barely anything.
Now that i've gotten used to the notion that its one of the 'arder battle engines in the BE stable (those extra 2 damage boxes really count!), I'm throwing it at army lines head on, and last 3 games it has not disappointed.
Be it blocking LoS, blocking charge lanes in general with its fatness, great melee profile (and disregarding the arcs of attack on BEs really breaks it in the best possible way). Using battle wizard to snipe those pesky back-line support solos can't be more highly regarded either: heavy rifle teams and aiyana have met a spikey end this way (corpse tokens are utterly perfect).

Its certainly a psychological weapon (4" melee range during its activation, with the MAT and P+S that it has with terror scares the heck out of people), and I find its an ideal model for delivering scytheans relatively unscathed.

[vaildin]

I got some good use out of my throne today. Also, was the first time running it fully painted.

It started by taking out the Doom Reaver UA, then taking out some of the other doomies by a nicely lined up spray, and the remaining attacks. Killed some IFP on Rhyas' feat turn, but that was incidental to it getting in melee with the Bombadiers behind them. It killed one or two of them, concentrating on the ones 4 inches away, rather then the ones in front, then survived the counter-charge the next turn. It killed some more bombadiers, then healed. After the rest of the bombadiers were gone, it turned and went after a second unit of IFP, killed several of them, then healed again with the corpse tokens. It was definitely the most use I'd ever gotten out of corpse tokens in one game. In fact, I was beginning to think that it was a fairly useless rule before this. Seeing some potential, I might put more effort into getting them in the future.

I lost the game because I can't get Rhyas to kill Vlad, and I got impatient. But I liked what I got out of the throne.

[PG_DaneDarkblade]

The thrown works Great with ETHags You can make armor 23 with Dragons Blood and spiny growth and realy jam up a control zone. I have killed a few war casters with it as well. Kallus also loves the Thrown you can make it power 17 with all bosted melee atacks if needed.

[Cannotcope]

I've only had the chance to use my Throne once, and took it with Rhyas for smurfs and giggles. In that game, on Rhyas' feat turn it charged and killed a heavily damaged Earthborn, gaining a corpse and getting placed on the otherside of the earthborn, in melee with Jarl and Janissa. Battlewizard Spray to ignore Janissa's rockwall, followed by the free feat attack on Janissa and I had 2 remaining attacks and two corpses to boost with on Jarl. Boosted and unfortunetely missed both attacks (stupid wall). Lost that game, but that turn was definitely fun. If only that 4" reach was around all the time, Jarl would have been stuck in melee and Rhyas might have survived the following turn

[SageofLodoss]

I've only had the chance to use my Throne once, and took it with Rhyas for smurfs and giggles. In that game, on Rhyas' feat turn it charged and killed a heavily damaged Earthborn, gaining a corpse and getting placed on the otherside of the earthborn, in melee with Jarl and Janissa. Battlewizard Spray to ignore Janissa's rockwall, followed by the free feat attack on Janissa and I had 2 remaining attacks and two corpses to boost with on Jarl. Boosted and unfortunetely missed both attacks (stupid wall). Lost that game, but that turn was definitely fun. If only that 4" reach was around all the time, Jarl would have been stuck in melee and Rhyas might have survived the following turn

I believe Jarl has Evasive, so that wouldn't have mattered.

It's too bad that Chain Weapons don't ignore intervening obstructions in melee. You'd think they'd get around them the same way you do a big honkin Shield.

[Therat]

I have only gotten in two games with my Throne so far. One game against Khador with Winterguard deathstar, I couldn't get past the high def, and another against Cygnar where it got destroyed fairly quick by AP rounds. However in both games it drew enough fire to get the reset of my force into position without taking any damage. I think both my games were sort of worst case. I will be trying it out some more for sure.

[Gython]

I have only gotten in two games with my Throne so far. One game against Khador with Winterguard deathstar, I couldn't get past the high def, and another against Cygnar where it got destroyed fairly quick by AP rounds. However in both games it drew enough fire to get the reset of my force into position without taking any damage. I think both my games were sort of worst case. I will be trying it out some more for sure.

Would a Naga Nightlurker's animus have helped the throne any in your two games? I'm guessing it may have brought the WGDS DEF back to normal levels for the Throne? [DEF 14 with bob & weave]

[JosephKerr]

Having played the Throne with and without a Naga proxy I can at least offer my meager experience that it performs well more often while Blessed.
EDIT: Gryphon, has this also been your experience?

[Cannotcope]

I believe Jarl has Evasive, so that wouldn't have mattered.

I wasn't totally bothered by missing out on the freestrike, he could have transfered that anyway. If the Throne had 4" reach all the time, Jarl would have still been in melee with it when he shot Rhyas and knocked her down. But no use crying over spilt milk. I had fun using the throne and have to get around to actually fully assembling and painting the thing in my truly terrifying paint scheme...

[Alexwheeler]

i used the throne w/ evayl against circle last night using it to draw out his heavies. it ended up taking alot of dmg but with refuge on angel i was able to get 2 heavies down to 10-15 health and then let the throne take then out and get easy bodies (my opp didnt have any infantry) . it almost died a couple of times but was able to heal enuf to keep it alive another around. but in the end it was able to get a caster kill on tharn (i think thats his name, has a 2nd beast form)

[vaildin]

Kromac would be his name. Tharn in his race.

I haven't got a caster kill with my throne yet. Though I can see the possibility.

[GRYM]

I am wondering has anyone had a game where they had the Throne face off against another battle engine? Reading the other forums I can see where the Troll BE can be very offensive with the right warlock.

KSW

[PG_vengence88]

I've used the throne in a few games, I'm not convinced yet that it'd be better than a Scythean, but its fun as heck to play. It's infantry crunching ability is pretty decent and if you play it with someone like pthag the buff lets it do pretty decent against heavies

[Northern Ronin]

I am wondering has anyone had a game where they had the Throne face off against another battle engine? Reading the other forums I can see where the Troll BE can be very offensive with the right warlock.

KSW

I watched a game that had a Throne and a Khador Battle Wagon. The only time they interacted was the Wagon dropped a shell for a good chunk of damage into the throne before a heavy finished it. Most battle engines are anti-infantry pieces, so they generally don't interact with each other very directly.

[Gython]

I am wondering has anyone had a game where they had the Throne face off against another battle engine? Reading the other forums I can see where the Troll BE can be very offensive with the right warlock.
KSW

With one or two damage buffs (like Draconic Blessing [Pthnags] & Kiss of Lyliss [BFS] = POW 19), I'd imagine they would be fairly effective at putting a nice dent or finishing off one.

[Truxyo]

I played the Throne in 2 straight games with the same P Thags list. First game it was a solid "meh" killed 3 models with melee and one with magic, then got ganged up on by 'jacks. Second game it was amazing! Killed a full unit of storm lances did serious damage to a couple 'jacks and one to-hit roll short on his 'caster. Overall very happy with its performance. Spiny growth and draconic blessing, then having it hand around Thags STR de-buff, my opponent didnt even try to kill it.