The Wraith Engine. To be, or Not to be.

[Drzombieface]

So I've yet to test out Scaverous' Tier List, and I think I might give it a shot tomorrow with this at 50 points:

Scaverous
-Erebus
-Deathripper
-Deathripper
-Skarlock

Wraith Engine

Withershadow Combine
Mechanithralls
-Brute Thrall x1
Necrosurgeon
Cephalyx Overlords

Warwitch Siren x2
Necrotech (Free due to Tier Benefit)
Pistol Wraith x2
Machine Wraith (Just because I like having fun with them. They're one point, why not get some laughs out of it?)


It feels like a decent opportunity to do 2 things: Try out the only Tier list in Cryx I haven't bothered to yet, and get a better feel for the WE while I'm getting a better feel of Scaverous, who I admittedly need to play more often, since I've been stuck in a Goreshade/Gaspy rut.

[Sanctjud]

Scavvy gives it an impressive threat range and has debuffs...so I'd say it'll be a fine showing for anything (including the WE).

[Drzombieface]

Scavvy gives it an impressive threat range and has debuffs...so I'd say it'll be a fine showing for anything (including the WE).

It's basically replacing a second unit that I would bring, hopefully with the support aspects it provides it'll make up for that lack of bodies we seem to so like tossing at people.

[Sanctjud]

Tossing Bodies is kind of more effective than a turd...not saying WE is a turd... directly
/shrug, I'm a hater I guess. I have seen it do well, but somehow, I just don't like it... /shrug.

Though I like the WE more than Bloodgorgers...

[ZombieWar]

i wish they would resculp the bloodgorgers. As it stands now they look cool enough that i want to buy them but not play them. If only they had an ugly sculp i could just forget they exist.

[Drzombieface]

i wish they would resculp the bloodgorgers. As it stands now they look cool enough that i want to buy them but not play them. If only they had an ugly sculp i could just forget they exist.

I've played them with pSkarre and that's about it. I like them, but I've just had no reason to run them over Mechanithralls.

[Mathai]

odd, usually its the other way around for me and models.

[ZombieWar]

i keep telling myself that they could be a good bodyguard for (insert male warcaster that isnt named terminus here) but its all a pipe dream.

[Adurot]

Bloodgorgers are plenty good!

[Sanctjud]

Note: I never said Bloodgorgers are bad... I just don't like 'em
Well ZombieWar is correct, if their only role is to be a bodyguard to a medium based model, then it will be disappionting.

Despite my not liking them, I do use them (pSkarre theme force) and let me tell you, they bring the hurt. Two of them along with a Captain on pSkarre's feat turn and Dark Guidance charged Tiberion at full health and killed him in one round of combat.

Personally, they are slow, clunky somewhat, tough is rage inducing for both players, and I don't like the models.

Back to the Wraith Engine, I hate the model less than Bloodgorgers

[Drzombieface]

Bloodgorgers are plenty good!

They are good, there's no doubt about that. They're just confused about what they want to do. They are a great tar- pit until you own Mechanithralls, and they are a good damage unit until you own Banes. They're a unit that tries to do two things at once, and basically aren't allowed to do either one well, because if they did both tar- pitting and damaging things at a higher level, they would probably be the best unit we have, or in other words, we would have blighted Champions.

I like the models, they're fine in game, they're just suffering from a bit of Drudge Syndrome. We have better things to run for each of the jobs that the Bloodgorgers try to do. Their redeeming trait is the fact they do both jobs at a discount of power and cost.

On topic: I was gonna bring my Trolls to the LGS tomorrow, but I think I'll leave them on the painting table for a little while longer so that I can try out the list I've posted with Scaverous instead. If all goes well, I might find a revitalized interest in the Wraith Engine. Maybe enough of an interest to paint it, who knows. Only time will tell. I'll be sure to post a short bat-rep about it here if I do play the tier 4 Scav list.

[Adurot]

I think Bloodgorgers are better than Banes when you're playing pLich and the Dennies and others who boost your Power or debuff their Armor. I'd rather have two pow15/16+ attacks without Weapon Master than one attack with it. The occasional Overtake is sweet too. I never try to tar pit with them either, or at least no more so than I would with Banes. Just because you have Tough doesn't mean that's your goal, it's just a nice little perk. Nor are they any slower than Banes really.

[Sanctjud]

Gorgers are slower than banes, Wrathe/Tart FTW, and no conditional speed boost.
But, what the Gorgers have is self sufficiency in both the hitting and damage department (medium durability stuff).
Though, gang is much more desirable on a small based unit.

[Adurot]

Bane's speed boost is conditional too. Different conditions that allow it to work on Warjacks and other constructs, but possible to get rid of by shooting out The Sauce. Gorgers speed boost will work on more than one target model/unit at the same time unlike the Banes as well.

And I keep hearing Gang on medium bases is bad... Why? Ive found I rather like it as its easier to get one troll to engage more than one model. And if you're just piling onto one, they have more/stronger attacks to make up for the fewer models that fit around it.

[Sanctjud]

I have a list I might be happy with...


pSkarre
-Scavenger
-Scavenger
-Skarlock
10 Bane Knights
10 Bane Knights
10 Bane Knights
Necrosurgeon and Stitch Thralls
Necrotech and Scrap Thrall
D. Wrathe
Wraith Engine

50/50

Ok, so...the break down is like this:

Skarlock, Stitch Thralls, and ScrapThralls are the focus factory in the rear of the army, it'll last 4 rounds.
The Mainline is obviously the 30 Bane knights and D. Wrathe. The Knights have in-built ghostly, heavy infantry/jack hunting, ARM 16 for pSkarre's feat and her bomb, some anti-infantry ability with vengeance, while Wrathe provides more threat range, stacked durability, or back up offensive spelling.
The Wraith Engine and his repair bot is the primary heavy hitter (comparitively) and serve to block LoS to pSkarre should she need it, and it can go Incorporeal her feat turn to allow her to activate first and charge though it to get more board coverage before the Wraith Engine acts.
pSkarre mainly is concerned about surviving and counter attacking her mainline.
Scavengers are there to counter charge/advance move to attack (moving over other models) and sprinting away, to open up lanes and such, worst case, they run to engage stuff like Eyriss, if I must ,they can both go B2B to block LoS to pSkarre should I need it.

So the list has alot of Anti-Armor hate, pSkarre helps them out whenever with DEF issues...she can use her feat for super armor cracking or more importantly, Defensively to have her army make it to the other side. Surgeon heals her, Tech heals WE provided they don't die and Bane Knights pick up after themselves.

What you guys think? I think I'm taking this seriously

[bonesaww666]

Does the WE not have synergy with our living troop? As the enemy kills them would he not collect their souls? I dot yet have the card (my WE comes in on Friday) but I see him having access to large numbers of Focus if he can harvest the friendlies my opponent manages to gun down...

[Sanctjud]

Does the WE not have synergy with our living troop? As the enemy kills them would he not collect their souls? I dot yet have the card (my WE comes in on Friday) but I see him having access to large numbers of Focus if he can harvest the friendlies my opponent manages to gun down...

That kind of stuff was denied to Cryx in the transition to Mark 2.....it is a blessing we still get friendly corpses. PS, 4chan is lovely thing....sometimes...or the No Quarter with the WE in it.

[Adurot]

All living soldiers who work for Cryx belong to a labor union. Their chief point of negotiation is you don't touch our souls. You can have our bodies when we're done with them, but not the soul. Mercs have a similar standard rider in their contracts as well. If not for that I doubt anyone would work for Cryx but the dead.

Also, even if you got friendly souls, you still wouldn't get a ton of, as you have a cap of three at a time and you can't spend them outside of your activation.

[bonesaww666]

Ever just start a game and order a whole bunch of living models for your faction and then find out...^^
I suppose that's why I should have my faction book handy!

Well I suppose it's back to the drawing board! *face palm

[Adurot]

Our living troops are fine. My budding pLich list is two full units of Cryx living troops and most of the support living as well. And it will have my Wraith Engine still.

[Drzombieface]

So, I was about to test out the Tier 4 Scaverous list that included the WE, I got to the first turn, told my friend to start his turn, and then looked at the clock. We had taken so long to set up that I had run out of time and had to head home, so we had to postpone the game.

Probably will have another chance at the game this week. The game is against Kara Sloan, with the standard defenders/gun mages/black 13th, among others. I'll have my work cut out for me, that's for sure.

[Adurot]

Got my first game in fielding a Wraith Engine under the Iron Lich, and initial impressions are that I like it. First turn it moved up. Second turn it popped incorporeal a d ran into the middle of a unit such that it Dark Shrouded most of them. Lich popped his Feat, and with shroud needed fives to kill the guys around the engine. One lived, but then the engine was now loaded up on souls on a flank and incorporeal. Turn three it moved up and killed the Pot and a shredder the pot had spit out, then got loaded back up on souls when I killed the rest of the previous unit with some other stuff. At this point Beth had to kill it or it would kill her. She left it with one health, so it munched her.

Need to learn positioning with it better, that base it huge, but I liked it and it worked well running down one flank.

[Drzombieface]

Second turn it popped incorporeal a d ran into the middle of a unit such that it Dark Shrouded most of them. Lich popped his Feat, and with shroud needed fives to kill the guys around the engine. One lived, but then the engine was now loaded up on souls on a flank and incorporeal.

Uh... models with Incorporeal lose it for the rest of the round once they attack. I hope that didn't mess up your opponent too much.

[Adurot]

It didn't attack, it ran, got models in its melee range, and pLich's Feat killed the models around it.

[Drzombieface]

It didn't attack, it ran, got models in its melee range, and pLich's Feat killed the models around it.

ah, read that wrong...


I need some sleep...

[Drzombieface]

Tested out the Tier 4 list.

Scav TK'd Stryker 2" closer to my WE, dropped Feast of Worms on his head, WE charged and killed him with 3 Souls he got from stuff dying.

He had gone incorporeal at the beginning of the turn, and charged past Stryker's last defensive line for the kill.


All in all, the WE felt okay, still kind of a bullet magnet for Defenders/Hunters, but once it's in melee and able to be protected/your opponent is forced to deal with other things, it can really shine.

[Drzombieface]

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[PG_Dmark]

I'm about to test out a pSkarre list with to WE's in it. I'll let you know how it goes. The list looks like the following:

pSkarre
>Skarlock
>Stalker
>Stalker
Gerlack
Siren
Siren
Pistol Wraith
Pistol Wraith
Max McThralls
>3 Brute Thralls
Min McThralls
Necrosurgeon & Stitch Thralls
Necrosurgeon & Stitch Thralls
Wraith Engine
Wraith Engine

50 points.

[2LiveIs2Die]

[usbprime]

you really like your new kraken don't you........i don't blame you, i've already named mine..........

[Sanctjud]

Tentacle R@pe Monster? Thought that was a Legion thing ... :3

[ZombieWar]

i have found recently that ive only been running living infantry with my scaverous list, it is to bad we cant get friendly souls

[Gamingdevil]

i have found recently that ive only been running living infantry with my scaverous list, it is to bad we cant get friendly souls

It really isn't. You could in MKI and then people with eGaspy or Terminus routinely brought a max unit of Steelheads, clumped them all together and tossed an AoE at them, then were invincible next turn while your opponent could do nothing about it.

I sometimes get sad about it as well, but it really is for the best

[ZombieWar]

i dont follow how that argument would make me want friendly souls less.

[PG_Tionas]

its not that you would want them less! its that that ended up completely busted!

[SpiderBite]

How would it be broken if you got friendly souls from enemy attacks? You'd only get retarded amounts of souls if your opponent made it so.

*-edit: ENEMY attacks. not killing your own stuff. just when the enemy does it. like, when other guy across the table kills your models. NOT when you kill your own guys. ENEMY attacks. (clear enough yet?)

[jonconcarne]

Got my first game in fielding a Wraith Engine under the Iron Lich, and initial impressions are that I like it. First turn it moved up. Second turn it popped incorporeal a d ran into the middle of a unit such that it Dark Shrouded most of them. Lich popped his Feat, and with shroud needed fives to kill the guys around the engine. One lived, but then the engine was now loaded up on souls on a flank and incorporeal. Turn three it moved up and killed the Pot and a shredder the pot had spit out, then got loaded back up on souls when I killed the rest of the previous unit with some other stuff. At this point Beth had to kill it or it would kill her. She left it with one health, so it munched her.

Need to learn positioning with it better, that base it huge, but I liked it and it worked well running down one flank.

The more I hear about your pLich list, the more it sounds like mine. I really like it against troop heavy lists because of the tough denial and all the souls that I get. What's your list look like?

Here's mine:
Points: 50/50
Iron Lich Asphyxious (*6pts)
* Cankerworm (5pts)
* Nightwretch (4pts)
* Nightwretch (4pts)
* Reaper (7pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Wraith Engine (9pts)
Satyxis Blood Witches (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Satyxis Blood Hag (2pts)
Satyxis Raiders (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Satyxis Raider Sea Witch (2pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Satyxis Raider Captain (2pts)
Saxon Orrik (2pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

[Adurot]

No Raiders, no Reaper, took Bloodgorgers. Slight shake up on the Solos.

[Gamingdevil]

How would it be broken if you got friendly souls from enemy attacks? You'd only get retarded amounts of souls if your opponent made it so.

*-edit: ENEMY attacks. not killing your own stuff. just when the enemy does it. like, when other guy across the table kills your models. NOT when you kill your own guys. ENEMY attacks. (clear enough yet?)

That's Skorne's and Menoth's thing though and they don't generally get souls from enemies either. Can't have both I guess.

[Drzombieface]

Planning on whipping out the Wraith Engine tomorrow.


Still trying to use it with Tier 4 Scav.