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    Default Skorne Buyers Guide

    Disclaimer: all the advice given in this article comes from my own opinions and play style. A one size fits all style of army composition only works to a certain extent. This guide is meant to help people new to the faction prioritize their purchase selections. The models are selected based on their overall performance in steamroller settings.


    • First Purchases:


    Your first purchase should be the battle box. pMorghoul is one of our top tier casters, and a very fun caster to play. The Titan Gladiator will be in 90% of your lists, Speed 4 heavies rely on rush to actually make them a threat in the game. While Savages don't make a lot of lists, they are still valid options, especially in Steamroller formats.
    The battle box is $49.99, buying the models separately costs $83.96. You are essentially getting two Cyclops Savages for $4.01 with the purchase of the battle box.


    • Second Purchases:


    Bronzeback Titan: This is the best non-character beast in the game. If you want things dead, this is the Titan that can do it best. I own two, and frequently double them up in lists, especially with pMorghoul. I'd only recommend buying one to start with though until you get a better feel for your own play style.

    Molik Karn: offensive and versatile, he doesn't kill things as well as the Bronzeback, but he brings a different dimension to the game. His threat ranges can be insanely huge, he provides fate walker to himself and the caster, which allow hit and run tactics, and he dictates how far up the field your opponent will run their caster. He also dies fairly easily; Molik Karn requires practice to figure out how to best use him, he's not the auto win that some players claim, but he is definitely a game changing beast in the right list.


    • Third Purchases:


    Paingiver Beast Handlers: now that you have your beasts, let's make them better and add in fury management. I am addicted to this unit; they make it into 95% of my lists. For the majority of your lists, you’ll be running a minimum unit.

    Chataphract incindiarii: until this unit came out, we had a very hard time removing high defense infantry models off the table. Gone are the days of slamming our own heavies across iron fleshed Kayazy Assassins. This unit was very much needed in our faction, and the first offensive unit you should buy.

    Agonizer: this is the staple Skorne denial piece. This little two point model can be game changing, no arc node, no animi, -2 str, no allocating, can be devastating to your opponents. Buy this guy and run him in every list, until you master him.


    • Fourth Purchases:


    For single wound units I would recommend buying one of the three; Nihilators, Pretorian Swordsmen with UA, or Pretorian Keltarii. They are all good and each of them brings something a bit different to the table.

    Aptimus Marketh: probably the best Caster attachment in hordes. Spell Slave is golden, ask any Cryx player, plus we can upkeep spells if Marketh has soul tokens on him. Of all the models I've suggested so far, this is the guy I use the least. He makes about 40% of my lists, but in the lists I do take him, he plays an extremely crucial role.


    • Fifth Purchases:


    Cyclops Shaman: this guy allows our armies to be more versatile. He has a pow 12 range 10 ghost shot attack, two inch reach on his melee weapon, can get rid of upkeeps on friendly models, can extend our casters spell ranges by two inches, and can cast the animus of friendly beasts within seven inches of him.

    • Sixth Purchases:


    Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew: The perfect one point filler. Thoughtful placement of 5 inch clouds can be a great help in almost any game.


    Warlocks

    Let's take a look at where we are at. We can make a very competitive 35 pt list using what we have.

    Master Tormentor Morghoul
    Bronzeback Titan
    Molik Karn
    Titan Gladiator
    Aptimus Marketh
    Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3 Grunts)
    Nihilators (Leader and 9 Grunts)

    This list is all about taking advantage of Abuse and Admonition. pMorghoul also has one of skornes best feats, it will take a bit of trial and error to figure out the most ideal time to use it. Add in an agonizer and you have two turns of no focus for jacks, this can really shut down collosals.
    (While Karn works very well with pMorghoul, I prefer double Bronzebacks, Tibbers is another solid option with him. As you acquire more heavies, experiment and see what matches your playstyle.)

    What we buy next is going to be dictated by what other casters we are going to play. Skorne has a lot of fun casters that can play very different games (one of the big appeals that brought me into this faction).

    The easiest thing for us to do now is to purchase casters that can best utilize the models we currently own.
    But wait, you say, I don't want to play just any of Skorne's casters, I want to play the competitive ones. In Skorne we don’t have overly powerful casters, instead we have a lot of solid casters. This means that we have to be the better player to win tourneys, we can’t rely on bringing the better lists. There is good and bad to this. The bad = we don’t see very much Skorne at the higher competitive events. The good = playing Skorne forces you to be a better player, and at tournaments you don’t see the same two or three casters over and over, like you do in other factions.
    So, what are Skorne's most competitive casters? Here is how I would rank them (just a friendly reminder of the disclaimer at the beginning of this thread).

    Tier 1: pMorghoul, eMakeda, Xerxis, eHexeris, pMakeda, Rasheth

    Tier 1.5: pZaal (the Immortal UA may bump him up to Tier 1), Mordikaar (probably our best caster vs Cryx), eZaal

    Tier 2: eXerxis, Naaresh, 3Makada

    Tier 3: pHexeris, eMorghoul (hit squad does raise him a bit)

    Now, taking a look at our competitive casters, which ones can best utilize the models we already own? pMorghoul, eMakeda, eHexeris, pMakeda, and to some extent Mordikaar.
    While I truly Love Xerxis and Zaal, they require completely different models, so I'll cover them last.

    eMakeda: this caster is a delivery system. She's the reason the Karn bullet exists. Leash, road to war, and rush gives Karn an 18" initial contact range. When you add in Side Step, that increases the threat to 22 inches. Add her feat into this equation, and you have a 22 inch threat, with 7 boasted pow 15 weapon master attacks, while being immune to free strikes. Just the threat of this will dictate how your opponent plays against you. She has more depth than the Karn bullet, though that's what she's most famous for, and if you want to get really good at her, you will need to spend the time getting to know all her nuances. She's also one of the few casters I would take Swordsmen over Nihilators. Being able to clear a lane and sidestep out of the way can be game changing.

    Here is a competitive 35 point list for her, using what we now have.

    Supreme Archdomina Makeda
    Bronzeback Titan
    Molik Karn
    Titan Gladiator
    Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 5 Grunts)
    Pretorian Swordsmen with UA

    This is the same list as pMorghoul, but plays very differently. Your goal here is to quickly deliver one of your heavies to their caster. I generally look for a turn two caster kill, but if your opponent is playing defensive you may have to wait until turn 3 to win. =)

    eHexeris: this caster offers our faction something we have struggled with in the past, high defense infantry removal. In the past, Skorne could get bogged down against mass infantry, now with this caster we have the ability to clear infantry off the table in droves. We'll need to change our list slightly to accommodate his specific abilities, most notable the ability to have one beast used as an Arc Node. For 35 points I'd recommend the Razor Worm.

    We also add in the Extoler Soulward; this allows eHexy to arch spells onto stealthed models.

    Lord Arbiter Hexeris
    Cyclops Shaman
    Razorworm (bonded)
    Bronzeback Titan
    Titan Gladiator
    Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3 Grunts)
    Pretorian Swordsmen with UA
    Agonizer
    Extoler Soulward


    Xerxis: Our premier attrition caster, what makes him better than our other attrition casters, is that he also has a very strong end game. He likes to be towards the front of the battle, pressing himself and his army further and further into your opponent. He plays the classic brick and does it better than anyone else, with denial pieces like the Agonizer and Midwinter for support. Xerxis is tricky to play at the 35 pt level; he really shines at 50+

    We add several new models to the Xerxis list. The most important addition is the full unit of Cataphract Cetrati, if you don't plan on playing Xerxis then you can probably skip the Cetrati. We also add both Basilisk, the Krea is there to raise def and arm on the approach, and then to lower enemy def once engaged, and the Drake is there to help handle infantry swarms, as Xerxis can get bogged down by mass infantry.

    Here is a solid Xerxis list:

    Tyrant Xerxis
    Basilisk Drake
    Basilisk Krea
    Bronzeback Titan
    Titan Gladiator
    Aptimus Marketh
    Cataphract Cetrati (Leader and 5 Grunts)
    Nihilators (Leader and 9 Grunts)
    Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3 Grunts)
    Agonizer
    Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor

    Defenders ward will start on the Nihilators, and then can move to where needed, turn 4 and after you should have DW on Xerxis, as he will be in the middle of the board. The Krea uses her animus, and Xerxis casts it also, to give a hard range counter on the approach. The Gladiator, Bronzeback, and Drake need to run to the sides of the Cetrati, since they will get in the way of Martial Discipline. The agonizer and Midwinter stay in the middle of the board, right behind the Cetrati wall. Marketh is there to cycle Fury, to recast DW or to allow Xerxis the fury to cast Inhospitable Ground.
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    Other Models worth Buying:

    Tiberion: : A great combination of Offense and defense. Superb design by PP, doesn’t replace the Bronzeback, but gives us more options. A must buy IMO

    Basilisk Drake: Pow 14 boastable spray from a 4 point light beast, works well with any of our casters.

    Basilisk Krea: Bring her for the animus. To get full use out of her, make sure you use her animus both for offensive and defensive.

    Cyclops Brute: Shield Guard, reach, set defense, and a solid animus. Works very well with pMorghoul since he can get offense out of him also with Abuse. This guy is also great with Tyrant Zaadesh.

    Extoller Soulward: hands out magic weapons and eyeless sight. Works well with most of our casters.

    Tyrant Commander & Standard: Press forward and Pathfinder for any unit, and the occasional revive. For the longest time Skorne didn't get any UA's. Then PP gave us this unit to make up for it. Not only are the effects good, but the Tyrant Commander is a beast in melee.

    Gatormen Posse: Very solid unit, only problem is they can’t get our in faction buffs. They do run extremely well as an independent unit. If you like this unit, then buy them, you won’t regret it.

    Paingiver Task Master: If you get the Gatormen, then you’ll want this guy. He turns the gators into an amazing unit. Just keep him safe, because he’s often targeted early in the game.

    Orin Midwinter: This guy teams up with our agonizer for some very effective denial. No spell casting within 12 inches shuts down druids, mittens, Butcher3, and other casters that like to play forward. When not shutting down magic, he can arc lighting into units. He can die easily, and to get the best use of him does take some practice.

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    Models worth Proxying to see if they fit your play style:

    Despoiler: I you run Mordikaar, then I would recommend proxying this beast to see if he fit's your play style. If you don't run Mordikaar, you can skip the Despoiler.

    Mammoth: Best of the Hordes Gargantuans, he doesn't run well with all of our casters, but he's definitely worth proxying to see if he fits your play style.

    Cyclops Raider: If you run our ranged beasts or the Mammoth, then you'll want this guy for the Far Strike animus.

    Praetorian Ferox: Solid unit, definitely worth looking at. I'd recommend proxying them with Xerxis for DW and Fury, pMakeda with Savagery, pZaal under feat and Last stand, and the circulating Cats under Mordikaar with Revive, hollow is also nice with fearless, tough, and no knock down.

    Tyrant Rhadeim: He pairs up extremely well with the Ferox, for the +2 mat, and he works well by himself as a threat on a flank.

    Archidon: Nice utility beast that can threaten a flank, or add some late game threats to the board, if it had reach it would be a must buy. I personally don't run Archidon, though I do own two, they just don't fit my playstyle, proxy and see if they fit yours before purchasing.

    Titan Sentry: Very defensive, he trades offense for staying power. I play aggressive, and this guy just doesn’t fit my play style, but I’ve seen him used to great effect by other players. Proxy him a few times and see if he fits your style of play.

    Cataphract Arcuarii: If you are building for "The Fist of Halaak" then you will want two units of Arcuarii. If not, this is still a solid unit, but they need to fit their purpose in a list. They run well with eHexy, pMorghoul, eMakeda, Xerxis, and Mordikaar. That being said, there are always other units that can fill the same role, proxy them and see what you think.

    Void Spirit: Great with Mordikaar, and can be really good for holding and contesting scenarios; nothing wrong with picking up two of these, and playing around with them.

    Hakaar the Destroyer: Works the best with the Zaal's, he can work with other casters, but I’d only purchase him if you plan on playing either Zaal.

    Ancestral Guardian: if you are going to play the Zaals, buy two or three of these, if not, skip them.

    Immortals: I love these guys with both Zaals. they are our casters that get the most out of them. If you are going to play either Zaal, buy a full unit of immortals, and possibly two. If you are buying Immortals then the Extoller Advocate is a Must buy. This UA takes the Immortals to a new level.

    Razor Worm: Worth buying to run with eHexy, not as useful with other casters.

    Totem Hunter: Great flanking threat, something Skorne can struggle with.

    Tyrant Vorkesh: Much better than he looks on paper. The Cetrati usually don’t need Defenders Ward to do their jobs (unless all you run Cetrati with is "Fist"). DW on your offensive unit is generally the better choice. So making your Cetrati immune to debuffs, mittens, druids, etc… is much more important. If you are running Cetrati with Mordikaar I would highly recommend him. I also run him with Xerxis, remember you can always kill Vorkesh yourself if you REALLY need to cast fury or DW on them.

    Siege Animantarax: after the errata it's now usable, and it looks fantastic. Worth proxying to see if it fits your playstyle.

    Mortitheurge Willbreaker: A solid support piece. Skorne has a lot of great 2 pt solo's, and sometimes its tempting to take too much support.


    Models to Skip:

    Titan Cannoneer: the addition of the Raider has helped out the Cannoneer, but not to the point to make him viable in a competative format . I’d rather far strike the Raider, or the Shaman. Nine points is a lot to spend for one pow 15 shot.

    Rhinodon: He actually performs worse on the table than on paper. A definite skip, if you disagree with me on this, then you really need to take a better look at our other options.

    Praetorian Karax: If you already own them, they can work for you, but the Swordsmen and Nihilators will out perform them 99% of the time.

    Paingiver Bloodrunners: I normally look at the swordsmen first, but this unit does have its role. Unfortunately that role is very specific and they aren’t very flexible. The majority of the time, our swordsmen or nihilators will out perform them.

    Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor: If you are going to take Bloodrunners, then you’ll want this solo to boost their mat.

    Venator Catapult Crew: If we had something to support them with I’d think about it, for now Skip.

    Venator Flayer Cannon Crew: Same as above.

    Venator Slinger: Can work well in the right lists, their low points cost makes them very attractive, but overall a skip unit.

    Venator Reivers & Unit Attachment: A solid ranged unit but overpriced for what they can do for Skorne, unfortunately most all of our casters do nothing for them.

    Tyrant Zaadesh: Skip this guy for competitive play, buy him for casual games. He's actually a lot of fun to run with a Savage and Brute.

    Reptile Hounds: They may work in certain skew lists, but unless you have a good reason to use them, I say skip.
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    This is an excellent thread for new comers. Extremely accurate opinions, and I have to agree with almost every single mention here. However, I would like to throw in my 2 cents.

    I would have to say that the Sentry is a purchase piece. He adds great depth to the Skorne army. If you keep him in a good position, he's around all game.

    The Archidon, Raider, and Tiberion are champs. They are an excellent addition to the Skorne and will be replacing a lot of beasts in a lot of lists. I say purchase.

    Finally, while the Razor worm is good with Hexy, I would not put him in the "buy category" with the others. I would put him in the proxy list.

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    Good call on the Razor Worm, I'll drop him down to Proxy.

    The Sentry is a very solid beast, and in the right hands can perform well. I have a friend that loves him and runs him to great success, unfortunately I haven't been able to get him to fit with my play style.

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    Titan Sentry is my choice to bond with eHexy. Durability means he can arc more.

    Slingers have potential with a few casters.

    Cyclops raider adds a lot of potential variety Skorne was lacking.

    New models always take a while to play test. I do agree with the majority of opinions for the current options.

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    Thanks for doing this, Blitzer. Excellent write-up, and now we can point new players right here.

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    For what it's worth...i consider the TyComm a must have for The Empire. Passing out an additional 2" of mov. every round as well as pathfinder is very important for our units. And we must not forget Rev. Standing up our knocked down units will keep you from losing the game.

    So much of hordes is about position and alignment. Knockdowns and slams end plans. Our units need the TyComm imho.

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    Gah, never any love for the artillery pieces. You got it backwards, we dont need to support them, they support us

    Lob a few hits into their infantry line to clear up charge lanes for your melee, pick off solos chilling in the back, take out those annoying stealth shooters, etc etc

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    I think its interesting, but I do disagree with some of it. I successful use some of the "avoid models" and won events with them, so they cant be that bad.

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    Awesome write-up! This post does a good job summarizing much of what can be found in the various tacticas and doesn't stray too far into any single model or tactic. I can agree that some of this is contestable to some extent, however the overall flavor of the article is helpful and straightforward. Thanks for putting this together, Blitzer!

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    Thanks for this! Good to see different perspectives on building from the Battlebox on up. I am just under 50 points now, which isn't bad since I started in January. Managed to pick up everything used except for the Agonizer and PGBH. Holding out for a used Bronzeback, but now sure how long my willpower will last!

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    I honestly think Hexeris 2 infantry of choice is Venator Reivers + UA.

    I've been playing him more and more lately and honestly I love running this list at 35pts:

    Lord Arbiter Hexeris (*6pts)
    * Cyclops Savage (5pts)
    * Bronzeback Titan (10pts)
    * Titan Sentry (9pts)
    Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
    Venators Reivers (Leader and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
    Venators Reiver Officer & Standard (2pts)
    Agonizer (2pts)
    Extoler Soulward (2pts)

    Reivers + blackspot are golden and if need be they can charge into melee and do all right against a black spot victim. The range they bring forces your opponent to deal with them which will often bring them into your slower units (BB [Bronzeback] & Sentry) and I find that I don't even miss the Gladiator.

    Hexeris 2's biggest weakness is fighting against high armor but Reivers increase damage to larger bases along with combined range attack can help you soften up high armored opponents and when they get close the BB can finish them. You do need to protect your BB as he is your main answer to high armor.

    Sentry or Savage can do wonders to infantry with BB's animus.

    Sentry is a game changer with locker. Being able to control the battle field can be amazing and with an Agonizer can force them into very limited choices. He is also amazing tough and because he tends to survive and played forward, he makes a great bonded arc node. Sentry's biggest detriment is his low MAT, but that can be overcome with black spot, making him an almost auto include into Herxeris 2's list, imo.

    I find the Savage is great for clearing infantry plus his animus can be helpful. I can see based on preference swapping him out for a Cyclops Shaman instead (The Shaman is added into a 50pt extension of this list). I would also swap for the Shaman if Deneghra was prevalent in your meta game (She is not in mine).

    Extoler is used just as you said, giving you magic weapons or being able to see a stealth target.

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    IMO Razor Worm is best used for Hexeris 1 -- don't really think he's that needed for Hexeris 2.

    If you're running Xerxis as an attrition caster than imo the Sentry should be used over the Gladiator. Krea lowers the defense, Shaman can copy which should allow the Sentry a boost to hitting (defense lowered). I also think at 50pts he needs more Centari than just a single unit, again if you want to run attrition.
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    In my experience so far, Slingers do not get outshined by other options in skorne, certainly not for their crazy cheap price.

    They decimate single wound models, especially shield wall units from up to 16 inches away, threaten warjacks, And are priceless against cryx, especially if you should happen to find a venethrax player, which just makes them absurdly funny.

    I'd rate them a purchase, but at the very least they are a proxy. They add a dimension of ranged threat, most notably against warmachine (altough they will really annoy a Baldur construct list too), that Skorne usually lacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz29 View Post
    Awesome write-up! This post does a good job summarizing much of what can be found in the various tacticas and doesn't stray too far into any single model or tactic. I can agree that some of this is contestable to some extent, however the overall flavor of the article is helpful and straightforward. Thanks for putting this together, Blitzer!
    ^^^ What he said. Very much appreciated

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    I second the call that Slingers are a very nice unit. I'm not certain of this because I'm not near my cards, but can they get the +2 speed from the Tyrant Commander and still shoot? I think they can, and it really makes them nice against Jacks, Constructs and Battle Engines, which can cause your opponent to devote more resources than it needs to to get rid of them.

    I don't get the hate for the Canonneer - its a hybrid beast that is capable of doing some business in melee while putting some nice shots out there at the same time, and has a nice animus to boot. With 5 POW18's and a POW16 its more than capable of destroying or heavily damaging a lot of heavies, even at MAT5.

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    Thanks for the write up, it's articles like this that make starting out far less complicated than they otherwise would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunky04 View Post
    I second the call that Slingers are a very nice unit. I'm not certain of this because I'm not near my cards, but can they get the +2 speed from the Tyrant Commander and still shoot? I think they can, and it really makes them nice against Jacks, Constructs and Battle Engines, which can cause your opponent to devote more resources than it needs to to get rid of them.

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    Yes, with the Tyrant Commander they can walk 8 inches then sling 10 more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuyung View Post
    For what it's worth...i consider the TyComm a must have for The Empire. Passing out an additional 2" of mov. every round as well as pathfinder is very important for our units. And we must not forget Rev. Standing up our knocked down units will keep you from losing the game.
    So much of hordes is about position and alignment. Knockdowns and slams end plans. Our units need the TyComm imho.
    And that's why I put them in the "To Buy Category"
    Quote Originally Posted by carnage4u View Post
    I think its interesting, but I do disagree with some of it. I successful use some of the "avoid models" and won events with them, so they cant be that bad.
    I've won tournaments with all of our casters and all of our models, should I then put them all in the Buy list? Do you have specific models you'd like to recommend for new players that I didn't, or does your comment mean that Beginning Skorne players should just buy all the models?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaradakar View Post
    I honestly think Hexeris 2 infantry of choice is Venator Reivers + UA.
    The Venator's are a very good unit for him if you are making an all comers list. I mentioned in the beginning paragraph that my suggestions were based on Steamroller environments. I will be using eHexy vs. infantry swarm, including cryx and their bane thralls. One of Skornes tough matchups is pDenny, Venators will work against her, but it’s not the best choice. If you don’t have to worry about Banes, and/or stealthed units, then Venators would indeed be a great choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by petegrrrr View Post
    In my experience so far, Slingers do not get outshined by other options in skorne, certainly not for their crazy cheap price.

    They decimate single wound models, especially shield wall units from up to 16 inches away, threaten warjacks, And are priceless against cryx, especially if you should happen to find a venethrax player, which just makes them absurdly funny.

    I'd rate them a purchase, but at the very least they are a proxy. They add a dimension of ranged threat, most notably against warmachine (altough they will really annoy a Baldur construct list too), that Skorne usually lacks.
    Thanks for the input, this is exactly the type of comments that new players need to see. They do have some potential, but time will tell on how they finally fall in the faction.

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    This is some really solid advice. When I was starting out, I had a lot of trouble picking what to buy next on a limited budget. A list like this makes it a lot easier for players to weigh the strengths of the units they're thinking of picking up next.

    Like a lot of people though, I have a nit to pick.

    I'm going to recommend the Titan Cannoneer for new Tyrants to proxy once they get a few games under their belts. It really clicked for my play style from the moment I tried it. It doesn't reflect our faction's strengths the way a lot of the other heavies do, so it can easily fall flat if it doesn't fit your play style.

    But when I take it, I'm always glad I did, and when I don't take it, I usually miss it. For me, it's having a decent gun while still being able to both take a beating and dish one out like a heavy in melee. The cannon can pick off solos, force units to spread out, and keeps a lot of enemy 'casters honest, in my experience. Meanwhile, the club and tusks are perfectly capable of killing heavies with Enrage up.

    Overall, I wouldn't call it a "Buy," but I would recommend players proxy it to see how they like it.

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    Awesome I would love to have this stickied cuz it is very accurate to competitive list making that people should look into.

    Now, my thoughts. My only disregard for skipping is Tyrant Vorkesh. Yes, losing the ability to buff your army alittle bites, but negating your opponent's debuffs and offensive magic is really golden. Facing against the Retribution, he is a must because if I have to go another round of watching my certrati dance like lunatics I will go insane. Seriously those mittens are beyond annoying. Also, keeping their armor above 18 is all that matters in the end which on average a heavy to dish out their boxes, but yeah, I recommend him in the proxy seat, depending on your meta. Trust me, he has saved and finished games for more than his points for me.

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    Thanks for putting the effort into this, and for others input, I plan on starting Skorne (my first Horde Army) later this month, and building it up while at GENCON. This answered all my questions without starting a new thread.

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    Great advice. As a new Skorne player it helped out a lot.
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    I'm glad it helped, if you have any other questions, feel free to post them here or send me a pm.

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    Good list, though I prefer to ask new players which caster they want to go with after the battlebox and build from there.

    While it's your list, I think Venator Reivers should be in the worth buying section as it's not what casters do for them but what they do for the caster/list. CRA is all the buff they need a lot of times.
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    I've been playing some larger point games lately with both Venators and the Slingers, just to see how I feel they match up when filling a similar role, and I have to say, although the Venators are solid outside of eHexy, and just flat out good with him, the Slingers have outshined them more often than not.

    with black spot, they have literally cleared multiple infantry units off the board in a single go (not against high def like circle, but against trollbloods, cryx, cygnar, and menoth they have been money) on numerous occasions. They aren't always a smart play (they are much better against warmachine armies than most hordes armies, and menoth has a hard counter in Aegis spam), but for their points I have never been let down.

    In a steamroller format, the slingers have become a big go to unit when I make my "anti -warmachine list" (my anti hordes list always being rasheth ) and I would rate them even higher than in my initial post.

    6 points for 10 is just stunningly good value for the impact they can have in a lot of games.
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    Speaking of slingers, mine just did a pretty decent job today breaking a couple shifting stones. Totally worth the 4 points.

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    I know its been said before but thanks for putting this up here. I am coming over from trolls and helps a lot. Bah privateer press why did you make this game so fun I am going to be broke forever lol
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    Updated the thread.

    Siege Engine and Venator Slingers were added to the Skip category

    Raider added to the Proxy category

    Tiberion added to the Buy category

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    Thanks for making this thread. Looking into building skorne as my 7th faction and this was very helpful.

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    How are Slingers in the Skip category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzer View Post

    Venator Slinger: If you worked at it, you can find uses for them, but probably better off just to skip these unless you are building a list with them in mind.
    Lol wut?

    Perhaps you meant something else here.

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    Great guide, thank you for taking the time to create and update it!

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    This is the best thread ever. So useful for a new player, and even now I have some experience I keep coming back to it to read.

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    Rhadheim in buy and Slingers in avoid? I think you might have gotten those two switched around.

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    Or he just hasn't posted anything on the forums since February 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreek View Post
    Or he just hasn't posted anything on the forums since February 2013.
    Yeah, PG_Blitzer has other interests.

    Dude was a great Skorne player though. Well worth a listen.
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    This is a pretty great list. I'm fairly new to Skorne (and the game, just started a year ago) and this mostly reflects why I've figured out so far. The one unit I think deserves a mention though is Incindiarii. They're amazing at dealing with a lot of lists I was having trouble against as a new player, and I wish someone had recommended them to me sooner. I think they belong at least on the proxy list and maybe the buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardonic Artery View Post
    Yeah, PG_Blitzer has other interests.

    Dude was a great Skorne player though. Well worth a listen.
    What adjustments would you make to the list at this point with the new models that have come out since then (or will come out soon with the next book)?

    With all the new 'Locks, 'Casters, 'Jacks, 'Beasts, Units, and Solos, the game is much different than it was even a year ago, so priorities change.
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    I'm back to playing again... Sorry for the long absence.

    I updated the 2nd post; Buy, Proxy, Skip, and added a new section showing models I need to get caught up on before I can feel comfortable categorizing them.

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