First game with Vessel of Judgement

[jandrese]

I'm curious about how the vessel runs with Thyra? That said, pSeverious and Vindictus can also run the Vessel well.

The nice thing with Thyra is you can throw Occultation on it to prevent it from getting shot up.

[PG_69Lazarus]

I've used it with P-Kreoss to good effect. I think it is the best of the battle engines. Simply amazing.

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

I'm curious about how the vessel runs with Thyra? That said, pSeverious and Vindictus can also run the Vessel well.

The awesome thing with the vessel is that it runs really fantastically with any caster, regardless of their buffs. Though Thyra can occultate it to protect it from nasty defenders, it still runs great unbuffed.

Given the models I have and what I have posted what I use mostly with my casters I would be highly interested in army lists incorporating the VoJ with Reznik, eFeora and Thyra.

With Thyra I basically see the VoJ supporting some nice range support as well as bringing infantry back (as i am playing KE, KEE and Daughters + Solos not really a problem) but with Reznik and Feora it is usually 3 Heavies plus support to help them so I don't really know what role the VoJ should accomplish.
As I play 35pt games most of the times its even harder to squeeze it I ... if I would have more time for tournies where the point limits are 42 ... i can easily seeing it fit in addition to what I take usually anyways and then add this.

Would you say it is worth an investment (not to make the lists MORE powerful) but in order to add some new flavour or might it even weaken lists quite much as it does take some hitting or shooting power which the jacks provide?!

Like I mentioned above, I think the vessel is totally worth it even when completely unbuffed. He doesn't need a single outside spell or ability, and doesn't need (and can't take) a spec of focus. Basically, if you need a gun, the vessel is a good option to consider. Especially if you're at the point where your caster cant really afford to support another jack like the Reckoner.

So, case in point, my Thyra list.

Thyra
Reckoner
Blood of Martyrs
Hierophant
choir
Errants+UA
Gravus
Saxon Orrick
Covenant
Mechanicx2
Vessel of Judgement
Rhoven and Honor Guard
Wracks

So yeah. The vessel is just there to, along with the Reckoner, shoot stuff to force your enemy towards you so you can try to set up the assassination. Occasionally you can zombifie some dudes or strip some animi. His push ability has been game winning late game.


And my off the wall Reznik list I always play:

Reznik
Reckoner
Reckoner
Choir
Vassal
Vassal
Steelhead Halberdiers
+attendant priest
Steelhead Halberdiers
+attendant priest
Vessel of Judgement
Vessel of Judgement
Mechanic
Mechanic

So yeah, probably not a list for you to work towards, but it's a better example of a list with a caster that offers absolutely nothing to the vessel. They just chill around and kill stuff.

[Der Tod]

So yeah, probably not a list for you to work towards, but it's a better example of a list with a caster that offers absolutely nothing to the vessel. They just chill around and kill stuff.

Yeah thats kinda true. Still gives an impression what the VoJ seems to do.

Atm my problem is that I can't really figure out how much value it will add to my casters and if thats worth around 70 bucks of Eurozone money. I got most of the 'jacks but owning a BA sounds like fun, its a great model, and Wraith Engine, the Throne of Everblight, and the Generator from RoS are all nothing I consider buying.

[PG_KrynnC]

Kreoss3 with Vengers + Vessel of Judgement , will that work ?

[jandrese]

Vengers tend to disappoint a little with Doors of Judgement because their large base gets hung up on other models easily and they have to use their crappy sword for the attack. The bigger problem is that they can charge out of Doors range really easily. An 8" move is more than any other model in our army can get however, so there is some value to trying to exploit the combo, especially with eeKreoss's elite cadre.

[MetaphoricDragon]

Vengers tend to disappoint a little with Doors of Judgement because their large base gets hung up on other models easily and they have to use their crappy sword for the attack. The bigger problem is that they can charge out of Doors range really easily. An 8" move is more than any other model in our army can get however, so there is some value to trying to exploit the combo, especially with eeKreoss's elite cadre.

Yeah not being able to use the lance is a bit sad, it may be worth noting though that the Vessel is permitted in eeKreoss' theme force. I'm curious though, does a miracled Venger get a mount attack too?

[jandrese]

The mount attack is only used for Impact attacks, which only happen on a charge, so you can't use it with Doors of Judgement.

[MetaphoricDragon]

The mount attack is only used for Impact attacks, which only happen on a charge, so you can't use it with Doors of Judgement.

Thank you, I've not played with cavalry so I'm not terribly familiar with their rules.

[PG_KrynnC]

Thanks jandresse,was thinking about eeKreoss's elite cadre rule and exploiting that with Vengers. Especially when they are getting shot at.

[Der Tod]

Mhm ... so now I am standing at the point where I could rather buy:

2nd Heavy-PlasticKit (Another Reckoner for eFeora/Sanctifier for Thyra) and Full TempleFlameGuard and Attachment OR Vessel of Judgement ... or both?

[jandrese]

The currently available plastic heavy kit only supports the Crusader chassis (Crusader, Vanquisher, Templar). The Reckoner kit is not out yet.

[Gaston]

Yeah not being able to use the lance is a bit sad, it may be worth noting though that the Vessel is permitted in eeKreoss' theme force. I'm curious though, does a miracled Venger get a mount attack too?

Why no lance?

[MetaphoricDragon]

Why no lance?

Lance is only useable on a Charge, Vessel only lets you advance and normal attack.

[Gaston]

Whoops, blonde moment.

[Der Tod]

The currently available plastic heavy kit only supports the Crusader chassis (Crusader, Vanquisher, Templar). The Reckoner kit is not out yet.

Completly aware of that ... its more a question on what I should spend the next money which buys me some new toys
And I feel a Sanctifier would do my Thyra list a favour as I am not so convinced of a single BoM in her list atm ...

[loramer]

Harby with Bastions and the Vessel are a great combination. And I have gotten a zombie harby kill, which was worth the $$ just for the look on my opponents face.

I have had really good luck with it with pSevvy and pKreoss.

The admonisher shots are fantastic and can let you snipe out a lot of models that are really hard to take out from range.

I love the look of the model, the rules are really solid and it is a ton of fun to play.

I would definitely suggest picking one up just for the fun factor.

[PG_Steampunk Jim]

Completly aware of that ... its more a question on what I should spend the next money which buys me some new toys
And I feel a Sanctifier would do my Thyra list a favour as I am not so convinced of a single BoM in her list atm ...

I would get the Reckoner and TFG first. Those are bigger staples, IMO. But the vessel should definitely be on your "to-buy" list.

And Blood of Martyrs is amazing with Thyra, FYI

[Der Tod]

I would get the Reckoner and TFG first. Those are bigger staples, IMO. But the vessel should definitely be on your "to-buy" list.

And Blood of Martyrs is amazing with Thyra, FYI

In terms of 'jacks I am able to field:

an avatar
a templar/vanquisher/crusader
a reckoner
a vanquisher
a repenter
a revenger
a crusaser

So a got a good amount of our lovely jacks here plus KEE + UA, KE, Daughters, Bastions and support models

[Marzuki]

Waiting for my VoJ to arrive in the mail today. Going to run it at 50 points like FC17 did with Harby. Bat reps will follow.

[Marzuki]

Ok, had my first game with the VoJ. I did ok. I really like pushing stuff back and catching it on fire. Doors is, of course, amazing. My question is what should I be shooting? I suppose into the middle of infantry swarms? I usually focus fire down heavies but it deems like the d3 nearby models screams for infantry clearing.

[jandrese]

Depends what you're facing. The D3 extra hops are boss at killing jack or beast support elements that happen to be near the model they are supporting.

[Marzuki]

Ah, I was facing infantry heavy Trolls at 50 points. Lots of scatter gunners and dygmies. Also had some support around his heavies so that would have been a good idea.

[Charming]

What to shoot is very situation dependent, if I see some juicy target next to something easy to hit I go for the easy to hit. As the games progress you often face situations where your opponent has placed something like a sword knight or something next to Aiyana at which point she is really sniped off the field. If you are fielding the VoJ and your opponent slacks on placement of his support you can really kill off stuff like Vassals, fell callers etc.

Otherwise I just view it as a bootable pow 15, it's really capable at putting hurt on heavy warjacks which are at a reasonable armor level

[Marzuki]

More success with running it in the middle of everything or more off to the side?

[jandrese]

I tend to keep mine more central to keep the Doors of Judgement bubble covering as many guys as possible.