Is PP moving too quickly ?

[Maou_Mint]

For Warmachine and Hordes, I think the pace is fine...maybe a touch quick as I have a low income. For Monsterpocalypse, the pace has gone to way too slow and I really wish we could get the last part of the 2nd block of releases that were teased over a year ago. C'est la vie.

[Chip]

The Warjacks of Renown were just warjacks that happened to be FA2. Expensive warjacks that you would rarely take more than 1 of anyway. There weren't any special rules for them or anything, just an FA that didn't even really matter. FA 1 might have mattered a little bit, but FA 2 was basically the same as FA U.

Well yeah, but they were still a new unit type that none of these Mark II kiddies have ever heard of. And that makes me feel ooooold...

Plus they were also PP's first real steps into trying to expand the game's size, and it was FAR more insidious than having 20 point models - tell me, honestly, you didn't consider a 150 point Cryx army so you could field EVERY Seether in existence

[jandrese]

That would be interesting in Unbound, especially if they were all run off of the same caster (Mortenebra?). Ok, for my first activation...my entire army goes except for two warcasters.

[PG_Feeple]

That would be interesting in Unbound, especially if they were all run off of the same caster (Mortenebra?). Ok, for my first activation...my entire army goes except for two warcasters.

Technically, you couldn't. You can't play down that far, IIRC, than the other Warcaster's WJ points. Now, your whole army activates except for two warcasters and two Slayers, yeah, that'd work.

It'd also be hilarious. I'll have to try that with Aslain Kheog one day.

[2LiveIs2Die]

And the Blighted Legionnaires!

And bane thralls!

[NoGamingInMississippi]

I think PP could slow it down a bit but it's not to bad.

[Kevin949]

And bane thralls!

They didn't REALLY need one, they had stealth to help protect them and dark shroud. Bane Knights could really use a UA though.

[Griffin839]

I was worried that PP might go the MonPoc route and do things too quickly, but so far it seems they have not been making the same mistakes.

[brilder]

+1 PP is too aggressive with its new releases.

The Colossals announcement was a huge suprise to me. Between the Battle Engines, the IK RPG, WarRoom, and the still unreleased Wrath/Domination models, PP had already saturated my mind and meta with new/developing content. We would have been fully satisfied if PP had not announced a single new model for the rest of 2012. There was no need to announce new models at that point, let alone HUGE-Based ones so unique that they come with their own new rules.

I'm not saying I'm unhappy about it. I'm just hoping they don't burn themselves out, or release the IK RPG without giving it the full development attention it needs.

[PG_Pyrodude32]

Nope - keep up the good work

[DemonCalibre]

+1 PP is too aggressive with its new releases.

The Colossals announcement was a huge suprise to me. Between the Battle Engines, the IK RPG, WarRoom, and the still unreleased Wrath/Domination models, PP had already saturated my mind and meta with new/developing content. We would have been fully satisfied if PP had not announced a single new model for the rest of 2012. There was no need to announce new models at that point, let alone HUGE-Based ones so unique that they come with their own new rules.

I'm not saying I'm unhappy about it. I'm just hoping they don't burn themselves out, or release the IK RPG without giving it the full development attention it needs.

I wouldn't worry people have been saying this since superiority.

[PG_joedj]

The pace is too slow if you play only 1-2 factions.
If you play more than 4, the pace is too fast.

Play 3-4 factions, and you'll be in the sweet spot

I play more than 4. Some of my older models are staring at me angrily...

[correlation2]

Man you guys must be playing in some weird metas where you see at least one of every model in the game every week. Around where I play there are a set amount of players with a set group of armies. So if person X is playing I know they're bringing a certain variety of models like a Trencher army. I've never seen someone literally just show up and drop a full army of AKs or something.

PP has lots of "options" but those options aren't really normally taken. Khador has probably around 10 units available to it and you're only ever regularly going to be up against around 4 of them. I can't imagine many metas are realistically going to start seeing dramatic shifts due to Colossals. PP has repeatedly stated that you'll have to adjust your playstyle but that they're quite destroyable. It's not like everyone has to sell their armies and go buy 12 Hunters because PP decided to release a Colossal.

[quindraco]

The day this happens is the same day all these types of fear-mongering threads become valid, and a huge portion of the player base goes bye bye. The minute a single one of the modles i have bought becomes invalid, i will not spend another penny on this game.

To date I've only bought into one tier list, and one of the reasons I avoid doing so in general is the underlying fear that when MK3 does finally come down the pipes, tier lists will be replaced, and I'll be saddled with unfieldable armies.

[DemonCalibre]

Man you guys must be playing in some weird metas where you see at least one of every model in the game every week. Around where I play there are a set amount of players with a set group of armies. So if person X is playing I know they're bringing a certain variety of models like a Trencher army. I've never seen someone literally just show up and drop a full army of AKs or something.

PP has lots of "options" but those options aren't really normally taken. Khador has probably around 10 units available to it and you're only ever regularly going to be up against around 4 of them. I can't imagine many metas are realistically going to start seeing dramatic shifts due to Colossals. PP has repeatedly stated that you'll have to adjust your playstyle but that they're quite destroyable. It's not like everyone has to sell their armies and go buy 12 Hunters because PP decided to release a Colossal.

I have been finding this changing in my local meta. Steam Roller 2012 is subtly and starkly different then 2011. The reduced turn length has really changed the tournament game on a fundamental level. We are in the process of going back and really evaluating units simply because the game is so much longer now in a tournament setting, and it allows units who are slower or take longer to develop to become better picks.

[correlation2]

Ah, well, can't really hold PP accountable for their release schedule not matching the whims of competitive play. I'd say hardcore competitive play is easily less than half of their playerbase. Even if you had 1000 people show up to the most dedicated competitive events I'm sure we can all agree that many more than 1000 people play this game. Probably more like 10, 000.

That's not to say that casual players won't take part in local leagues or tournaments. Or even that every competitive player should be expected to be able to make it to a city on the other side of the country for a tourney. I'd just wager that WM/H sells more to a casual crowd who enjoys the nature of the game and the theme of the IK.

[Hansel]

I think something missing in this discussion is that people probably think differently about the pacing of releases based on how often they play WM/H and how much of their gaming life it occupies. It's a deep game, and as such rewards deep commitment, which crowds out other things. If you're playing multiple times a week, it probably feels like you're not getting enough. If you play once a month, it probably feels like there's too much new stuff coming out.

I'm just getting into it, and I'd like to play regularly, but not necessarily every week on the dot. I mean, I have boardgames and roleplaying games to play, too. The release schedule will probably feel a little fast to me.

[brilder]

I doubt even 10% of Warmahordes players have attended a major tournament (e.g. Gencon, Templecon).

[CeltKhan]

To date I've only bought into one tier list, and one of the reasons I avoid doing so in general is the underlying fear that when MK3 does finally come down the pipes, tier lists will be replaced, and I'll be saddled with unfieldable armies.

I know this fear is unfounded, as PP works VERY hard to keep from obsolescing armies. My examples are Greylords, Yuri, and Magnus.

Zerkova originally had Field Officer: Greylords. For whatever reason, she lost it in MkII. Greylords become FA3.

Yuri had Field Officer: Manhunters. Again, gone but FA goes up.

Magnus had a contract all his own in MkI. In MkII, it becomes his theme force.

[Alexwheeler]

The day this happens is the same day all these types of fear-mongering threads become valid, and a huge portion of the player base goes bye bye. The minute a single one of the modles i have bought becomes invalid, i will not spend another penny on this game.

i admit i will be doing the same thing, if this happens. BUT like pp has done before which also seems to be what keeps the game interesting, is that they dont "delete" models they re-program them, by changing they're stats and abilities, to keep models in-check and to say "hey maybe thats a little too OP" or "this model SUCKS! Here's a new stat/abil card for ya!"

the transition from MKI to MKII had quite a few, nothing completely game changing but enuf to keep ppl interested and turn ppl to older not so liked models!

i do think that models are comming out too fast, if you have multiple factions its sometimes hard to get 3 new units all at the same time and learn to use each one to its full potential. im also a very slow painter with a full time job, so thats another factor as well. in all honesty i would rather have 1 unit or 2 models come out a year for each faction, then every couple of years release a new book/edition with new cards and new models as well. all in all what pp is doing isnt bad, per say, but slowing down a bit would be nice.

[CeltKhan]

1 unit a YEAR?! Uh, no.

Let me rephrase: HAYLL no.

[correlation2]

If PP slowed down to 1-2 releases per faction a year I would seriously quit the game for around 2-3 years.

[IMakeGoodwin'sLawHappen]

Agreed, if it dropped to that pace I'd have some problems. I think the rate it's at is a pretty solid spot, balancing too much/too little and too fast/too slowly. Although, I wouldn't put playing on hold if the rate or releases was changed, I'd just be a tad frustrated.

[BloatThrall]

Personally, I think that Colossals could have waited until about September-October, so that the Domination releases are winding down and the Wrath stuff have been completely covered. But I collect models at a very slow pace, so it might just be that.

[Emerett]

If PP slowed down to 1-2 releases per faction a year I would seriously quit the game for around 2-3 years.

Yeah, I think a lot of people would. Then another company would show up with the pace people want and people would move there.

[hackdZ]

So many people burnt by GW here!
I too was burnt, thus my very recent switch to PP. (Although I've had my eyes on it for a while.)
Their ever inflating prices and their tendancy to either ignore certain armies, or completely overhaul them, reducing half my models to paperweights was seriously begining to annoy me.

From my VERY limited experience PP seems to know what their doing, and as a nice change they actually care about their players and their opinions.

Good riddence GW. Hello PP!

[Samhordes]

I think Privateer Press is moving at the right pace. However the op does raise some good concerns which are very much common with those who come from the other games background.

In the past four odd years, I have experienced a genuine strive from Privateer Press to enhance my gaming experience. I think the Colossals will be as successful as the battle engines but at the same time will not dominate the tournament or casual scene. In my opinion it is about diversifying choice and experience for the player.

So their pace in my opinion has been steady, I hope they fortify their growth by doing what they do best. Making good games followed up by a steady pace of good releases.

Regards,
Sam

[islyfe]

I think they have good pace so the game doesn't get too stagnant. 40k and Fantasy would each get 2-3 books a year did you find that too fast as well? Adding a handful of models for each faction is a little less daunting then have to digest an entire new faction and rules, in my opinion.