Hyperion after Kraken?

[Lord Sessadore]

Over the past couple days, I've read a couple tidbits about the sculpting of the colossals that at first made me sad, thinking Hyperion was going to be last, and now have me kind of excited, because I think Hyperion might be the 4th colossal release, after the Kraken in August.

First was the Insider yesterday, where Ben says, "Of the three colossals I've had the fortune of sculpting, the Kraken was by far the most challenging." Then at the end of the blog he mentions going to continue work on the Galleon. This made me sad, because I figured the three he was talking about were the Stormwall, Conquest, and Kraken, so I concluded that since he's going to work on the Galleon next that would mean Hyperion would end up either last or 2nd last (meaning October or November). But something niggled at the back of my brain, and that was the fact that we've seen the 3D model for Hyperion already ... which I thought meant it was at least close to being ready for production.

Now, today I was browsing the comments on Lost Hemisphere's blog post from when we first found out about colossals, and I found this comment at the bottom, which gave me new hope:

FINALLY!!!! 6 months of my life I can finally talk about..I sculpted those two models.

The two models being the Stormwall and Conquest I can only assume, since they were the only two we'd actually seen models of at that point.

So, if Jeff sculpted those two, and Ben has worked on 3 colossals (Kraken, Hyperion, Judicator?) and is now working on Galleon that means the Hyperion is quite likely done sculpting already (depending on whether Galleon counts as one of the 3 or not). I'm pretty confident thinking that the Hyperion is one of the 3 he worked on, since we've seen the 3D model. This makes me happy, since it's more likely we'll see the Hyperion in September. Might still be October, but if Galleon is still being worked on I would guess that means it's last, which would be November if they keep up the one per month thing.

Now ... am I off my rocker, or am I on to something? Discuss!

[joelker41]

I believe the original colossals video had Ben working on Hyperion, could be wrong
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[Indy]

The original video preview had shots of the 3D work on both the Kraken and the Hyperion, so yes, I believe it's a safe bet that we'll be getting ours in September.

[tonyzahn]

I'm also thinking that since we've seen the 3d model for Hyperion, and only the artwork for Galleon and the Judicator, there's a very good chance of Hyperion in Sept, then Judicator, then Galleon.

[bakaryu]

Nice sleuthwork, I would be quite happy to see Hyperion in September (birthday is in September).

The major tournament season here in the UK will be long over by then however, but that just means plenty of time to get his *** painted up

[AJ the Ronin]

Anything except August (I have to pay Tuition and my car yearly license on August).

[Lord Sessadore]

Anything except August (I have to pay Tuition and my car yearly license on August).

I think you're safe there, at least.

I admit that it's possible the Judicator could come first, but since we saw the 3D model in the Colossals announcement video I still lean towards us getting Hyperion first.

Mostly I made this thread because I felt the need to celebrate a little when I read that quote on LH. Ben's blog had been getting me down.

[TIEActor]

I just wanna see the model now

[AJ the Ronin]

I think you're safe there, at least.

I admit that it's possible the Judicator could come first, but since we saw the 3D model in the Colossals announcement video I still lean towards us getting Hyperion first.

Mostly I made this thread because I felt the need to celebrate a little when I read that quote on LH. Ben's blog had been getting me down.

I was about to post something very long then I remember the Kraken video says August. So, yeah. Perhaps Vyros2 since aside from the art of Gaspy3, he is the other caster we know more about (I don't follow other factions spoilers like I used to but I think there hasn't being anything about Kreoss3 or the new Dwarf art-wise, right?)

I just wanna see the model now

Me too. I keep having nightmares* where the model is posed like one of those old Mazinger toys.

Like this:



*Yes, I'm not kidding there.

[Lord Sessadore]

I was about to post something very long then I remember the Kraken video says August. So, yeah. Perhaps Vyros2 since aside from the art of Gaspy3, he is the other caster we know more about (I don't follow other factions spoilers like I used to but I think there hasn't being anything about Kreoss3 or the new Dwarf art-wise, right?)


Me too. I keep having nightmares* where the model is posed like one of those old Mazinger toys.

Like this:


*Yes, I'm not kidding there.

Kreoss3 may have had some art, since we know he's on a Horse. Not sure. But as far as I know, all that anyone knows about the dwarf is his name.

I got real hopeful about seeing Vyros2 when Nemo3 was previewed, since their concept art was in the same NQ together. Ah well, I'll continue to hope that the result will be worth the wait (I do really love the concept art).

From what we've seen of Hyperion's concept art and 3D model I'm not too concerned about looks, and if we're lucky it'll be pretty poseable like the smaller myrmidons. My biggest worry with Hyperion is the rules ... I hope we get something really cool that isn't ridiculous-priced. I won't be surprised if ours has the highest PC of the colossals, I just want that PC to be worth fielding with at least a couple casters (Vyros1 and Kae being my current hopefuls, and hoping Vyros2 has something for jacks still).

[ReaVeD]

Can't wait to see Hyperion.

As for the epics, between eKreoss, eVlad and eVyros i kinda feel that someone in the PP saw Old Spice ad few times too much :P

[bakaryu]

Sadly outside of half of her feat and Phantom Seeker, Kaelyssa offers very little for Hyperion.

The news in the latest NQ that colossals can never gain Stealth, cannot be placed and cannot advance or make attacks outside of their activation actually takes out a lot of Retribution's tricks:

Vyros: Cannot use Hallowed Avenger (I practically never cast this anyway)
Ravyn: Cannot use Acceleration
Ossyan: Cannot use Admonition
Garryth: Cannot use Mirage
Rahn: Cannot use Telekinesis
Kaelyssa: Cannot use Witch Hound, loses out on half of her feat

[Lord Sessadore]

Yeah, I tried to get Hallowed Avenger to work at first, now I usually forget it's even on Vyros' spell list. Any time it's triggered I feel like using it would just set my opponent up to scrap my jack the same turn; not worth it. Maybe I should try it on a Griffon instead of a heavy. *shrug*

You make a good point, though I think it can swing the other way too - all of our casters will lose a bit of their tricks with Hyperion, which in a way means they're still on fairly equal ground. Though as far as we know, both of Vyros' real jack tricks (Bird's Eye and Mobility) will work just fine with Hyperion.

Phantom Seeker plus a little more focus to hand out was all I was really going to look for from Kae, and Hyperion only loses out on the movement part of Witch Hound - it can still make the attack. That could be big if it's got Phantom Seeker and a good target in range.

I suppose if Colossals end up having a higher focus allocation limit Ossyan with Chronomancer might be useful with Hyperion. Wait and see, I guess.

[Lord Sessadore]

Edit: Bah, double post. Sorry.

[bakaryu]

Yeah, I tried to get Hallowed Avenger to work at first, now I usually forget it's even on Vyros' spell list. Any time it's triggered I feel like using it would just set my opponent up to scrap my jack the same turn; not worth it. Maybe I should try it on a Griffon instead of a heavy. *shrug*

You make a good point, though I think it can swing the other way too - all of our casters will lose a bit of their tricks with Hyperion, which in a way means they're still on fairly equal ground. Though as far as we know, both of Vyros' real jack tricks (Bird's Eye and Mobility) will work just fine with Hyperion.

Phantom Seeker plus a little more focus to hand out was all I was really going to look for from Kae, and Hyperion only loses out on the movement part of Witch Hound - it can still make the attack. That could be big if it's got Phantom Seeker and a good target in range.

I suppose if Colossals end up having a higher focus allocation limit Ossyan with Chronomancer might be useful with Hyperion. Wait and see, I guess.

I don't have my friends NQ to hand but I am pretty sure I distinctly remember that you don't get out of activation attacks either.

[RetributionBomb]

Sadly outside of half of her feat and Phantom Seeker, Kaelyssa offers very little for Hyperion.

The news in the latest NQ that colossals can never gain Stealth, cannot be placed and cannot advance or make attacks outside of their activation actually takes out a lot of Retribution's tricks:

Vyros: Cannot use Hallowed Avenger (I practically never cast this anyway)
Ravyn: Cannot use Acceleration
Ossyan: Cannot use Admonition
Garryth: Cannot use Mirage
Rahn: Cannot use Telekinesis
Kaelyssa: Cannot use Witch Hound, loses out on half of her feat

While losing stealth on Kaelyssa's feat does hurt, never underestimate the power of denying a charge. From what we can tell Colossals are going to be big and armored with a lot of damage boxes. Denying a charge could really save Hyperion some hurt, especially if its coming from a bench of Infantry that can get high pow attacks or weapon masters.

Putting Polarity Shield on it from Rahn is going to be awesome.

[bakaryu]

Putting Polarity Shield on it from Rahn is going to be awesome.

This is one of the biggest synergies I am looking forward to, nothing says screw you bane spam like denying charges and a thresher power attack

[Lord Sessadore]

I'm waiting to see (without much hope, more because it would be amusing) if Hyperion has Polarity Shield built in like the AFG. I think I will giggle a little if it does.

[kibbles]

If it matters, I was talking to some PP folks at Adepticon and asked if they had seen an assembled (even if not final) version of Hyperion. They had not - they had seen the "greens" - which I assume is the 3d printed prototypes so that the mold makers could say "yeah we can do that" or "hell no, are you nuts?"

The folks I was talking to aren't involved in production so couldn't say how far along it was (and probably wouldn't even if they knew) but they did indicate they'd seen hyperion "bits" moving around the office, but had not seen an assembled model yet.

Take that with a grain of salt.

[Demeritus]

Thanks for the info there Kibbles.

[bakaryu]

Certainly does sound as if Hyperion looks to be number four in line of the colossals queue.

As the days tick by I am looking more and more forward to seeing what they do (same with eVyros and anything else we get in the new book!)

[Jake the Dog]

I was about to post something very long then I remember the Kraken video says August. So, yeah. Perhaps Vyros2 since aside from the art of Gaspy3, he is the other caster we know more about (I don't follow other factions spoilers like I used to but I think there hasn't being anything about Kreoss3 or the new Dwarf art-wise, right?)


Me too. I keep having nightmares* where the model is posed like one of those old Mazinger toys.

Like this:



*Yes, I'm not kidding there.

Kreoss3 on a Horse
Vyros2 on a Horse
Axphysious3 on foot
Vlad3 on a horse
Nemo3 on foot with a Solo

PP is loving Horses...

[JustNCREDIBLE]

when the Hyperion comes out, it would be funny if someone converted into something like original Megazord and had it playing the PR's theme music...

[ChristianAas]

Kreoss3 on a Horse
Vyros2 on a Horse
Axphysious3 on foot
Vlad3 on a horse
Nemo3 on foot with a Solo

PP is loving Horses...

With the same logic I think it is fare to say that PP hates horses.

Over 100 Warcasters and Warlocks and so far 1 released Warnoun on horse (Kraye).

They obviously hates horses.

[Lord Sessadore]

If it matters, I was talking to some PP folks at Adepticon and asked if they had seen an assembled (even if not final) version of Hyperion. They had not - they had seen the "greens" - which I assume is the 3d printed prototypes so that the mold makers could say "yeah we can do that" or "hell no, are you nuts?"

The folks I was talking to aren't involved in production so couldn't say how far along it was (and probably wouldn't even if they knew) but they did indicate they'd seen hyperion "bits" moving around the office, but had not seen an assembled model yet.

Take that with a grain of salt.

Encouraging to hear regardless. Thanks for the info, kibbles!

*Crosses fingers, hopes to see Hyperion mid-May*

[Duff]

Greens means it cant be the last one out. Lets hope for fourth, I need that thing for my life to be complete lol

[PG_kerensky]

If the Kraken comes out August and then we start seeing the Mountain King and other Gargantuans before the Hyperion, I'll be jumping around my house swearing.

You have been warned!

[Lord Sessadore]

If the Kraken comes out August and then we start seeing the Mountain King and other Gargantuans before the Hyperion, I'll be jumping around my house swearing.

You have been warned!

Why, oh WHY, did you have to suggest this possibility? >.<

[Demeritus]

If the Kraken comes out August and then we start seeing the Mountain King and other Gargantuans before the Hyperion, I'll be jumping around my house swearing.

You have been warned!

That's not funny....seriously don't play with my emotions like that.

[Lanz]

What I'm curious about is why we haven't seen the artwork for Hyperion. I'd have thought that needed to be done first. Maybe it is, and PP just didn't show it because they figured the 3D screens would be more impressive. I'd have rather seen the finished art.

[Lord Sessadore]

What I'm curious about is why we haven't seen the artwork for Hyperion. I'd have thought that needed to be done first. Maybe it is, and PP just didn't show it because they figured the 3D screens would be more impressive. I'd have rather seen the finished art.

My theory is that the colour illustration wasn't done in time (it probably is by now, if Colossals is releasing in July they're probably proofing near-to-final versions before getting it printed), so the model was built on the concept art. I actually wouldn't be surprised if models are sculpted based on concept art more often than colour illustrations - the sculptor doesn't really need to know what colour the thing is going to be anyway, as long as all the bits and bobs are there. (We did see the concept art in the original Colossals video.)

[Fragelrock]

maybe the color illustration spoils too many other things to show at this point.

[ucfan34]

Unfortunately, they just don't show us stuff because it's done. I'd imagine they've got lots of stuff done we know nothing about. Models, Art, Rules, all of it.

I'm generally a pretty optimistic person, but to really rain on the Hyperion parade, it could wind up being like Tiberion or worse yet, Destors.

You can look at Ret SKUs, and see that some stuff should be ready to go. We're still missing 35036, and Discordia was 35043. I think Discordia was out about a year before the Wrath book. Gives me hope that some of those missing SKUs will be an odd extra solo, unit, ua, etc.

[AJ the Ronin]

Well Protectorate's Colossal got a small tease in BoLS. I'm inclined to think it will be out before ours.

[Lord Sessadore]

Well Protectorate's Colossal got a small tease in BoLS. I'm inclined to think it will be out before ours.

While I do wish it was a Hyperion spoiler, I don't think that means anything about release dates. Wasn't the Daemon's gun spoiled on BoLS months before Wrath, and yet we only got the kit 2 months ago?

I remain hopeful.

[AJ the Ronin]

Very good point. Hope returned.