Best Vyros jack

[Howiekapowi]

What is the best heavy jack to run with vyros in a 25pt list and why? I think hydra but what would you guys suggest? im new to WM.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

Phoenix. The flexibility is what does it.

High power melee, decent strength range, reach, arc node, combustion, auto-healing field. This jack does it all.

[FranzGrenstein]

I really would not call any heavy jack must take with Vyros. He can work well with them all.

The Phoenix is nice you get the reach, the field, combustion; but these are offset by the cost and Vyros does not have the spells and focus to utilize the arc node to its greatest potential. It's not like he's Rahn or Kae.

If I had to pick one jack that I must take with Vyros I choose the Griffon.

[OmegaLolrus]

I've always been a fan of the Griffons, but if it's a heavy, I'd go for a Phoenix.

[Auroth]

I'd say also try to work in a Manticore. I just tried the Manticore freight train and it's perfect for taking out infantry on feat turn.

[knight_actual]

Vyros gives love to all of his heavies.

Phoenix for all the reasons above stated.

Manticore because he's got multiple ranged shots to make best use of the feat.

Hydra loves to have threat 23 magical pow 15 shot that goes through models, forest and smoke

[Pinegulf]

I'd go with the hydra. I usually run two of them. Pump em up on first round and you got threat 6 +15 +2 (mobility) ignores los (Birds eyes) p+s 15 cannons coming right at your caster. 23" threat range is something that the enemy usually forgets. Sure it doesn't one shot em, but sure will hurt when you boost hits and damage.

Manticore is great with boosted str and trampling. PS 13 usually stomps anything it hits. With mobility the efective trampling range is 11"-1.96" (50mm) ~9"

Usually I run phonix with V-man for combustion. Hydras and manticores are imho better at wrestling with jacks as they have more attacks and generally do more damage.

Griffon is my favourite. 360 shield arm 18 with runspeed 16" makes it perfect for being a 'throw away jack'. Great when you want to swamp down enemy cavalry or shooters.

[Mephaine]

I will vote for Griffon. Due to the fact its our cheapest Jack, has reach which is obv one of the most important traits for Vyros to get Flank and reach his full power in melee. Shame it doesn't have Shield Guard hehe.

For heavies I would vote Manticore. the Feat+Trample combo is just too awesoem to ignore. Plus if done right it will make a nice old path to the enemy caster.

[Pinegulf]

For heavies I would vote Manticore. the Feat+Trample combo is just too awesoem to ignore. Plus if done right it will make a nice old path to the enemy caster.

OT: Isn't traple attack simultanious?

Attacks that generate simultaneous multiple attack and /or damage roll do so silmultaneously.

As it's traple attack then I'd interpret that both combustion and traple are quite useless with Vyros.

[Mephaine]

Good point. Still I think its just the fact its a nice Focus generator. Can never whine bout free focus :P

[elvenlovemachine]

hydras by far i run 2 with him at all times he has no spells worth arcing and can use birds eye for his own attacks so is your hiding behind a front line of myds an arc node is of less use. V needs all his focus having hydras store focus is pretty uber. the pheonix is expencive and combustion isn't so good when you've got casters,sols,units flanking with it.

our lights are better to get the flank bonus with the chimera can apparition out of combat to make itself available to who ever needs it. the gorgon can hold them in place as you hack away so if the enemy doesn't have reach and vyros/scyir does... the griffon is my least favorite but he is cheap fast and has reach easy to get flank with in a small list he is cheap enough to allow this to be his primary function rather then throw him away as soon as possible a good flank/bodyguard

manticore is my least favorite heavy sorry man' lovers. in a V list i list scyirs marsheling (gorgon/ph+scyir) them with a couple arcanists behind you can run them almost as good as a caster can. while V runs a pair of hydras storing focus and a few lights that don't need foucs to apparition/force lock etc and your away.

[PG_Devilsquid]

Nowhere in the wording of Trample is simultanious mentioned. You just make attacks against everything you moved over, so you can use his feat to that effect.

I hammered the rules forums to make sure of that one.

[daveholliday]

Nowhere in the wording of Trample is simultanious mentioned.

It used to in the old pdf file, which is what i have at work. Thankfully not in the real rules

I was in a bad mood that afternoon as i thought my favourite way to use Vyros's feat was illegal. Thankfully it isn't.


To answer the OP:

It's hard to say which is best, I am currently running a Manticore and a Griffon in 25pt games. In 35pt games I have been adding in a Pheonix too. Didn't do too well at a recent tourney though so probably best not to listen to me.

The Hydra makes good use of Vyros's eagle, but i always end up using it as a gun platform then. I don't think it is cost effective to use it purely as a gun platform. I just need to get out of that habit and may be it'll see more table time.

[PG_Stevo]

Best Heavy: Hydra
Best Light: Griffon

But really there isn't a Myrmidon he doesn't love. You really can't go wrong.

Mobility+Bird's Eye+Hallowed Avenger+Inviolable Resolve (which can go on a Myrmidon in a pinch)+Stranglehold = Awesome.

[Haight]

Phoenix. The flexibility is what does it.

High power melee, decent strength range, reach, arc node, combustion, auto-healing field. This jack does it all.

Utterly seconded. The reach is key to me, but so also is the flexibility of combustion, good PS on the weapon when you have an arcanist along, and self healing to relieve some focus pressure on vyros.

That said, my favorite vyros loadout is a mixed balance - Phoenix, Manticore, and Griffon.

-- Haight

[Howiekapowi]

Thanks for all the comments guys. The one thats shining for me is the manticore and griffon. Theyre both great on feat turn and the final push, and cheap. Alot of people are saying hydra for the best vyros jack, i dont understand why. In low point games where you are running 1 or 2 jacks, the hydra gives no use for vyros on the feat turn. It makes his feat practically useless id say :P Id agree with haight, the phoenix manticore and griffon are the best jacks to run with vyros, esspecially in low point games. In higher point games, id run the the hydra.

[PG_Stevo]

Personally, I think the Griffon is the best Myrmidon out there for the points cost. The armor of a Heavy, Reach, MAT 8 on a charge, Pathfinder, extra speed. Plus Vyros makes him even better.

[FearLord]

Thanks for all the comments guys. The one thats shining for me is the manticore and griffon. Theyre both great on feat turn and the final push, and cheap. Alot of people are saying hydra for the best vyros jack, i dont understand why. In low point games where you are running 1 or 2 jacks, the hydra gives no use for vyros on the feat turn. It makes his feat practically useless id say :P Id agree with haight, the phoenix manticore and griffon are the best jacks to run with vyros, esspecially in low point games. In higher point games, id run the the hydra.

Vyros' feat is very difficult to capitalise on at the best of times - the advantage of the Hydra is it doesn't require perfect circumstances to take situational advantage of his feat once per game - instead, it's an every turn fully boosted POW 15 that ignores intervening models, clouds and forests and in any direction thanks to a passive ability! Plus, for 2 focus it's got a 23" threat range! If you can knock down an enemy caster, you can kill him with one or two Hydra's...

[karn987]

Vyros by far works the best with the Phoenix because of it's reach and archnode. Sure the Manticore can hit harder and the Hydra is a walking cannon, but the Phoenix is the best. And yes, you DO want a heavy jack with him, 2 Griffons are nice, but the Phoenix hits harder then both of them and can take almost the same amount of punishment as both of those lights. Idealy you would want the Phoenix and 2 Griffons with him with a nice infantry block to walk up the center line with and 2 Arcanists to assist his jacks (Btw with what I just said, you have 11 points to pick out your infantry unit). Personally I would say Sentinels with their UA for added Melee power. Idealy though you would want INvictors with their UA, but thats 12 points. Though you could take a min unit with their UA for 8 and have 3 points to spend on something else, maybe Narn or another solo etc.

The point is, you want a heavy jack and light jacks. Vyros loves his jacks and if he isn't using atleast 2 jacks in his list, you aint playing him right. His real talents and uniqueness shows when you play 2 or more jacks with him, I play 4 jacks in my 25 point list and it works phenomenally.