Caine's pistols

[Bean Mk. II]

Two questions:

Are Caine's Spellstorm pistols actually revolvers?

Did Caine actually get different pistols between his Prime and Epic fluff, or is the fact that the pistols in the Lieutenant Caine art don't look anything like the pistols in his Captain Caine art just an artistic fluke?

[PsychoLaughs]

they are the same pistols, in regular and epic.
they are supposed to be magelock revolvers.
i really don't know what is going on with the art for the epic, it looks like a regular one shot pistol, but it has ammo cases flying all over the place...

[Bean Mk. II]

Lol, indeed. Not that ammo casings would be flying everywhere with revolvers, either.

[PG_Alviaran]

So, what was the difference then that increased their ROF? I always thought he had gotten new pistols.

[vintersbastard]

So, what was the difference then that increased their ROF? I always thought he had gotten new pistols.

He probably just got better with his reloading spell.

[vaildin]

They're magic revolvers that can eject their own spent casings, and load new ones. A wizard did it.

[Coinlord]

There's actually a spell in the d20 ikrpg that lets you reload a firearm. He probably just got real good at that spell.
Although, as far as i remember, those were entirely unique guns, made just for him at great expense. In... Legends (?) he had to destroy them, so i'm curious if he got another pair or if he's just making do with normal magelocks for the time.
I can just imagine Leto. "What? You had them both destroyed? Threw them in a fire. Just one of those was worth my castle's weight in gold. And you want more?! Maybe for Christmas."

[quindraco]

Do we even know that his bullets HAVE casings? Given that they're magical, I wouldn't think caseless ammunition too much of a stretch. We know he can use teleportation magic, so especially assuming caseless ammunition, it's just a matter of teleporting a bullet into the chamber between trigger pulls.

[CeltKhan]

Throwing the guns into fire didn't destroy them; it just cooked off all the ammo and made them too hot to handle for a while. Gunmages can reload via magic, it's just a somewhat high-level ability. Caine needed to level up to learn it.

His pistols are effectively a set of custom-crafted magelock Firestorm revolvers, although I have no idea why he's drawn with shells flying out; ALL sidearm and longarm ammo in the IK is caseless (wrapped in linen, at least). Probably artistic license.

[Carnage]

Throwing the guns into fire didn't destroy them; it just cooked off all the ammo and made them too hot to handle for a while. Gunmages can reload via magic, it's just a somewhat high-level ability. Caine needed to level up to learn it.

His pistols are effectively a set of custom-crafted magelock Firestorm revolvers, although I have no idea why he's drawn with shells flying out; ALL sidearm and longarm ammo in the IK is caseless (wrapped in linen, at least). Probably artistic license.

No, there is a type of ammo with brass casing made by Ghordson. It is a bit more expensive, but the casings can typically be reused.

[correlation2]

Cyclone ammo has casings to, doesn't it?

[Bean Mk. II]

Yeah, the Cygnar chain guns use cased rounds. Really, though, the chain guns are way ahead of pretty much all of the rest of IK firearms, tech-wise, and probably shouldn't be taken as indicative--they basically don't fit well into the rest of the fluff.

[PsychoLaughs]

there are multiple weapons that now use brass encased ammo. the IK is in a transitional period. kind of like during the american civil war period, where winchester repeating riffles were just starting to be introduced, as well as revolvers with cased ammo, while they were still using barrel loading riffles, and black powder revolvers in most army units.

i would assume Caine's weapon still uses the silk wrapped ammo, and the pistols are still the same. the regular rate of fire may have seemed to increase, but remember his feat turn in his prime version. he can shoot everyone within his control area. that can potentially be a lot more shots than his epic version can shoot (which is limited to initial attacks and focus).

[PMAvers]

There's actually a spell in the d20 ikrpg that lets you reload a firearm. He probably just got real good at that spell.

Or has a epic-level version of that spell that makes it near-instantaneous. I'm guessing it also cleans the barrel & ejects casings while it's doing it, too.

[quindraco]

there are multiple weapons that now use brass encased ammo. the IK is in a transitional period. kind of like during the american civil war period, where winchester repeating riffles were just starting to be introduced, as well as revolvers with cased ammo, while they were still using barrel loading riffles, and black powder revolvers in most army units.

The ultimate way to do this is truly caseless, where the propellants (IK ammo mixes two propellants, rather than combining one propellant with air) are solid at room temperature and nonreactive until set off by the gun. Reduces or removes a lot of headaches. Given how incredibly good Llaellish alchemy is, I wouldn't be completely surprised if the Order of the Amethyst Rose had this already or will pick it up in upcoming fluff.

[The Happy Anarchist]

i would assume Caine's weapon still uses the silk wrapped ammo, and the pistols are still the same. the regular rate of fire may have seemed to increase, but remember his feat turn in his prime version. he can shoot everyone within his control area. that can potentially be a lot more shots than his epic version can shoot (which is limited to initial attacks and focus).

I actually wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the case. He certainly has the funds to be getting cased rounds, and the increased reliability would likely be worth it - in addition to the fact that his art is drawn with casings flying out (presumably as his magic pops the spent casings out and reloads new ones) - this would indicate that he has a very oddly designed revolver with enough room for the casings to slide out without opening the wheel.

[correlation2]

I'm sure at least part of it is the fact that its hard to draw fast firing guns dynamic without having casings go everywhere. They do it in movies with chainguns all the time.

Otherwise you're going to just have the guns with fire coming out, and the casual observer is just going to assume he fired one shot from both guns. Not that he's actually shooting like 60 times in one minute.