Anyone wonder about Steelheads?

[TLSWalters]

What are your thoughts on these cheap and effective models?
Do you think that eventually we will get more? Maybe medium based Steelheads? What would they be like?
Would we have a new Steelhead solo? What do you think will happen to the Steelhead Mercenary Company in the near future?

Thanks

[Caterpillargreen]

I think we could really use a steelhead solo especially a non character mechanic. Beyond that I really really want some steelhead ua's.

[PG_Warder]

Just from recent fiction in FoW:Mercs and Wrath, I could see a non-character solo being put out, a lieutenant, possibly modeled after Jasper from Captain Damiano's story.

[pattison]

Steelheads are right next to the dwarves in my heart.
They're the quintessence of mercenaries for me. And they're pretty effective too in the game.
I can see more Steelhead stuff coming out, a solo is pretty likely, but the trinity of SHH-SHC-SHR is rather well-established, so we don't really need any fancy stuff.
I'd be happy to take more SH options, but only if it fits the 'simple yet effective' approach that they've always represented.

[MagnustheJust]

I have been rocking the Halbies since they were a new release way back when, and I can safely say that I will be getting max field allowance on any future Steelhead releases.

That being said, a solo or three, and a new unit would be epically giggety!!

[Coinlord]

They're a weird nut to crack. Individually, weak as hell and nothing but fodder. Together, in the right situation, they're devastating, but still so easy to kill. As a Trinity... Mmm, girl. I've already drafted a couple of ideas for things i'd like to see, just for fun, in the Fan Creations section.

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...the-Steelheads

All of that being said, i think it'd be hard for PP to make much more for the Steelheads without just making them their own army.

[Space Donkey]

I think a solo or two and a UA for each unit with a WA for the SHR's would put them exactly where they need to be. A UA with Tactics: Defensive Line and the Precursor Knight minifeat for Halbs would make me a vurrry happy camper. You would just have to change the name of the minifeat to Thamar's Name to get away from icky poo Morrow.

[MagnustheJust]

Trinity... Mmm, girl..

You should check out Carrie-Anne Moss in the film FIDO...

She is deliciously stunning with long hair & 50's garb!!

Plus you get Billy Connolly as a pet zombie!! Hilarity ensues...

[Space Donkey]

You should check out Carrie-Anne Moss in the film FIDO...

She is deliciously stunning with long hair & 50's garb!!

Plus you get Billy Connolly as a pet zombie!! Hilarity ensues...

Indeed! Fido is an amazing movie.

[PG_Oniwasabi]

I think a solo or two and a UA for each unit with a WA for the SHR's would put them exactly where they need to be. A UA with Tactics: Defensive Line and the Precursor Knight minifeat for Halbs would make me a vurrry happy camper. You would just have to change the name of the minifeat to Thamar's Name to get away from icky poo Morrow.

Or they could call it Power Swell like the Satyxis Raider mini-feat since it does exactly the same thing with no Diety Name tacked on for fun! I would prefer something like Gang as the mini feat (I would love Gang all the time but I think that would shift them a bit heavily on the power curve) probably jack marshal and an interesting Drive, and probably a guy with a banner because it seems to be almost impossible to include an officer without one.

[Space Donkey]

Or they could call it Power Swell like the Satyxis Raider mini-feat since it does exactly the same thing with no Diety Name tacked on for fun! I would prefer something like Gang as the mini feat (I would love Gang all the time but I think that would shift them a bit heavily on the power curve) probably jack marshal and an interesting Drive, and probably a guy with a banner because it seems to be almost impossible to include an officer without one.

I knew there was another one that did it but I couldn't remember who it was. I think Gang as a mini-feat would be too underwhelming but giving it to Halbs all the time would be crazy powerful just like you said. Since you brought up marshaling, though, that gave me an idea; 2 point officer only with Jack Marshal and Granted: Flank [Friendly Faction Warjack]. Although that might be just as bad as Tactics: Gang.

[PG_Warder]

What might be interesting would be a weapon crew of some sort.

[JohnOSpencer]

I'm hoping for a Steelhead Mechanic. Preferably a non-character one. It'd probably be best if it was like the Ret Arcanist, 1pt with a decent repair and power booster. A non-character 1pt model would be amazing.

[PG_Norton]

I like the idea of heavy artillery crews.
I think a stealhead sapper unit would also be awesome, they are the kind of specialist yet generalist units that a kingdom forces would not always need but would be happy to pay for when required.
We definitely need a non character stealhead mechanic, FA 2.
A stealhead specialist that can turn wreckmarkers into mines which triggers on proximity of moving enemy models.

[jwai]

A ranking officer that turns other Mercenary units into Steelheads could be funny.

[MarneusBigFists]

A ranking officer that turns other Mercenary units into Steelheads could be funny.

Cavalry charging through boomhowler?

I like that.

[Ashcans]

A ranking officer that turns other Mercenary units into Steelheads could be funny.

I was looking at the other Ranking Officers and trying to work out how to make something like that work in Mercs, and that is a great answer. A Ranking Officer who gives the unit some bonus or Order (any number of good ideas above) and then makes them count as Steelheads. They would benefit from Stannis and Damiano's coins. It would be pretty fun.

[absent]

i really dislike ranking officers

i'd rather just get a ua for the existing units =)

[MagnustheJust]

I was looking at the other Ranking Officers and trying to work out how to make something like that work in Mercs, and that is a great answer. A Ranking Officer who gives the unit some bonus or Order (any number of good ideas above) and then makes them count as Steelheads. They would benefit from Stannis and Damiano's coins. It would be pretty fun.

Mercs will never get a ranking officer. The implications of us getting access to the WGIDS or the IFP, or the Banes, or any of the better Pom & Electric Chicken goodies would just be epically & legendarily b0rk3nzville...

[Ashcans]

Mercs will never get a ranking officer. The implications of us getting access to the WGIDS or the IFP, or the Banes, or any of the better Pom & Electric Chicken goodies would just be epically & legendarily b0rk3nzville...

I'm assuming from 'Banes' that that is a list of units from other factions? I have no idea what 'Pom & Electric Chicken' is, besides maybe a 1970s band. Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't mean Ranking Officers that let Mercs use faction troops - I mean Mercenary Ranking Officers that change the designation of mercenary units. So you could give Nyss Hunters an RO that would make them count as 'Steelheads', or give Boomhowler & Co. a RO that would make them count as a 'Sea Dogs' unit. As the merc range expands and there are more benefits open to specific classes of Mercs (like the coin mechanic), this would be an interesting way to open doors - or allow you to take one non-Rhulic unit in Searforge, for instance.

[Choco]

On the side note of the UA: wouldn't have been smart of PP to include as one of Damiano's tiers, in his theme force, a "UA for free" option as a premature covering of us getting one for the SH's? It would make sense to me, but it would spoil what's still to come in the near future. Maybe it would result in a new theme for for him?

[tves]

I'd love a "defensively" minded SH unit, something like sword knights or precursor knights. Not that those two are not available in some merc lists. But they're just not Steelheads. That layered plate armour and them halbie helmets. Loved those guys from day one.

As for UA's, Bring it on, we need UA's for both halbies and SHR. And any sort of solo would be brilliant.
Give us a SH drill master, can grant abilities to units (similar to the piper). Although he better be a character to prevent abuse. Real John Mclaine kind of tough b-tard.
SH mechanics above are a good good idea.
SH Jack Marshal perhaps?

[correlation2]

Steelheads in power armor would be cool.

Kind of like Man O Wars but faster. Maybe more in the realm of strength assist over armor, so kind of a half plate steam armor design or an exoskeletal chassis that is more like a frame than an armor suit. I suppose it would make the most sense for them to be a character unit of prodigious Steelheads that ranked up to the point where they could afford steam armor and use it exceptionally well.

SPD 6. STR +2. ARM +2. Some other cool stuff. Could work.

[Skorpius47]

Throw everything into the blender!

A Steelhead Solo that designates one non-character Mercenary Unit as a Steelhead Unit, who is also a gold-plated Power-Armor wearing Jack Marshal that can Repair Warjacks.

[hamsandwich50]

On the side note of the UA: wouldn't have been smart of PP to include as one of Damiano's tiers, in his theme force, a "UA for free" option as a premature covering of us getting one for the SH's? It would make sense to me, but it would spoil what's still to come in the near future. Maybe it would result in a new theme for for him?

While PP tends to cover their bases with theme forces as far as I know they have never made one where one of the benefits gives a model that doesn't exist yet.

[John of Arc]

Not one that gives a free non-existant model, but Wrath alone produced two theme forces which allow you to include units that don't exist- Thyra's, and Ossyan's. Bad Seeds was also released before we'd heard even a whisper of what the Rover was.

I think we need a Steelhead mechanik solo. Not desperately, but it would really help round us out as a faction, and it would double our number of non-character solos. Our jacks are below average, but are good because they're points efficient. That means we either have more points to spend on infantry, or we have an advantage in jack spam. I'd love it if, on top of repair, the solo either made our jacks better or eased the burden of spamming them. The Arcanist does both, and it is easily my favorite model in the entire faction.

[Choco]

All these ideas are making me want a sword-and-board unit. And if it is similar to the Sword Knights/Forge Guard in the fact they have an armor boost that isn't Shield Wall, I think it would be an interesting addition to the Steelhead ranks. Or even that idea of the 3-man character unit of high ranking Steelheads ala Great Bears maybe? Though they have Gang or Flank with Halberiers/themselves instead of weapon master and some other fun abilities.

[Mael]

What about a Weapon Attachment that could go with either the riflemen or the Halberdiers? Now wouldn't that be cool...

I think a UA for the Halberdiers or Riflemen would be great. Something that could grant the Rifles snipe for a turn would be boss.

[Duke Lisle]

I like the idea of heavy artillery crews.
We definitely need a non character stealhead mechanic, FA 2.
A stealhead specialist that can turn wreckmarkers into mines which triggers on proximity of moving enemy models.

This would make Magnus' most wanted tier 3 list really, really good (and even more fun to play)

[MagnustheJust]

I'm assuming from 'Banes' that that is a list of units from other factions? I have no idea what 'Pom & Electric Chicken' is, besides maybe a 1970s band. Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't mean Ranking Officers that let Mercs use faction troops - I mean Mercenary Ranking Officers that change the designation of mercenary units. So you could give Nyss Hunters an RO that would make them count as 'Steelheads', or give Boomhowler & Co. a RO that would make them count as a 'Sea Dogs' unit. As the Merc range expands and there are more benefits open to specific classes of Mercs (like the coin mechanic), this would be an interesting way to open doors - or allow you to take one non-Rhulic unit in Searforge, for instance.

Again, this would take us back to b0rk3nzville. There are certain combinations that we could put together if we did not have the contracts, that would be beyond OP.

Oh -

Pom = Protectorate of Menoth
Electric Chicken = Cygnar

On the side note of the UA: wouldn't have been smart of PP to include as one of Damiano's tiers, in his theme force, a "UA for free" option as a premature covering of us getting one for the SH's? It would make sense to me, but it would spoil what's still to come in the near future. Maybe it would result in a new theme for for him?

This is why I personally believe we, once PP gets around to it, will get something akin to the tyrant & standard bearer that the Skron have...

[PG_ikildkenny]

Again, this would take us back to b0rk3nzville. There are certain combinations that we could put together if we did not have the contracts, that would be beyond OP.

I think you missunderstood him (or I did ... who knows) ... what I believe he meant was a MERCENARY Ranking Officer attachment to OTHER MERCENARY units (e.g. a guy you could attach to Nyss hunters, Boomwholers or Forgeguard but NOT Banes, IFP, etc etc) to let them get the "Steelhead" suptype (and expecting him to be a 2 pt and possibly char. solo some other cool stuff)

I believe the intention was to get a guy (or gal) that would allow ANY of our nice units to profit from Damiano's paymaster and Stanis' tactician abilities ... and other stuff that could come out in the future

on a sidenote ... something like that for pirates might be nice too (I'm looking at you, you one-legged, greedy old "lord"!)

[MagnustheJust]

I understand that... But getting to use Money Shot on Boomie & Co. or Reform on the Nyss while running Damiano is OP. { Not that I am opposed to the concept mind you...}

[Choco]

I understand that... But getting to use Money Shot on Boomie & Co. or Reform on the Nyss while running Damiano is OP. { Not that I am opposed to the concept mind you...}

Or the slug guns of the Devil Dogs? POW 16 shots coming from 9 guns? At that point they don't need to use their nets and charge a jack/caster. This would be a very frightening unit that would then see lots of play, imo.

[jwai]

I understand that... But getting to use Money Shot on Boomie & Co. or Reform on the Nyss while running Damiano is OP. { Not that I am opposed to the concept mind you...}

Or the slug guns of the Devil Dogs? POW 16 shots coming from 9 guns? At that point they don't need to use their nets and charge a jack/caster. This would be a very frightening unit that would then see lots of play, imo.

Looks like I've gone and set down quite the Claymore in this quiet corner.

[PG_ikildkenny]

... and finally croe's could really BE a alternative to nyss hunters ... at least under damiano ...

[MagnustheJust]

Looks like I've gone and set down quite the Claymore in this quiet corner.

boom.

... and finally croe's could really BE a alternative to nyss hunters ... at least under damiano ...

Yeah... but the Nyss are still just better all around. Croe's Cutthroats were my second Merc unit, and I played the crap out of them back in the day. Now a days, they just sit in the foam and plot my demise...

[absent]

if i could get money shot nyss or croes, first of all the nyss have a female in the unit, second they'd be a way better target for it imo, since they would then really hit like a truck against about everything, and have the better range and rat to begin with, and i'd rather have them with reform than croes, just because i like nyss that much better.

[jwai]

boom.

I see what you did there!

[baronvonchaos]

In the IK you can play as a Bodger and they love scrap heaps and make labor jacks out of them and drive them themselves. I would totally make hodge podge labor jack unit with Bodgers on their backs pointing the direction they should go. They'd be fun and weaker than light jacks, but you could make medium based models easy out of those.

Just a thought.

[jwai]

In the IK you can play as a Bodger and they love scrap heaps and make labor jacks out of them and drive them themselves. I would totally make hodge podge labor jack unit with Bodgers on their backs pointing the direction they should go. They'd be fun and weaker than light jacks, but you could make medium based models easy out of those.

Just a thought.

Not sure they would pass the stringent standards of the Steelhead companies though