pHexeris or eHerxeris

[Dragi]

I am thinking of buying another warlock and I can't decide on who. I really like eMakeda and Xerxis and the Hexeris. Which one should i get next?

[ScotlandNil]

It depends on a few things really.

What other stuff do you have?

How do you like to play?

[Dragi]

I have:
pMakeda
pMorghoul
Molik Karn
Titan Gladiator
Basilisk Drake
2x Cyclops Savage
Cyclops Brute
Min paingivers
Max Swordsmen

I only ran this army 5 games yesterday and 3 before that. I mainly play Cygnar.

[ScotlandNil]

Ok, in that case I'd probably rule out Xerxis for now. He could still be used with what you have and would probably still be good, but most people like to use him with Cataphracts and more than 1 unit of infantry.

You could make a pretty good list with any of eMakeda, eHexeris or pHexeris so it's really just your personal preference!

If it was me in your position I'd go for Epic Hexeris - he can make a good list with what you've got and pretty much whatever you choose to buy next and can deal with mostly any enemy, plus he's fun to use, has a very different style from the Warlocks you've already got, and is a cool model! Regilar Hexeris is also good, and shares similar strengths to his Epic version - both absolutely dominate infantry but IMO Epic Hexeris is more versatile, and pHexeris has a few abilities that only affect Hordes armies so given that you mainly play vs WM I'd go with Epic Hex!

If you and your friends are pretty new to the game and you want to just murder them all with Molik Karn then get eMakeda. She pretty much makes your whole army ridiculously fast and between her and the Gladiator's Animus Karn can charge obscenely far and kill pretty much anyone...

So really I can't give a definitive answer but they're all good choices!

[Dragi]

Well my friend plays legion and he just bought eThagrosh so still go with eHexeris?

[Skorznex]

Yep...my buddy players eThagrosh and eHexeris is good at sutting him down.

[Dragi]

With the beasts listed above what would be a good 15pt Tooth and Claw list. Against eThagrosh with Carnivean and 3 shredders.

[Dragi]

With the beasts listed above what would be a good 15pt Tooth and Claw list. Against eThagrosh with Carnivean and 3 shredders. I'm also getting eMakeda as well.

[Dragi]

So Xerxis or eHexesiz

[PG_Blitzer]

I really enjoy Xerxis, he's a great match up for Legion.

[Dragi]

So which should I get before I shell out $20 for a warlock? Xerxis or eHexeris?

[PG_Blitzer]

what size games do you play? Xerxis works best at 50pts, eHexy works well at both 35 and 50.

[Dragi]

I play mainly 15-35pts.

[PG_Blitzer]

I'd run eHexy then, He'll be better at the lower points than Xerxis will. Xerxis requires more support pieces to really shine.

[Dragi]

Does eMakeda work well against eThag and pLylyth at 15-35pts? With the models only available to me (see 3rd post) what would be a good Tooth and Claw and normal list set up for 15-35pts with eMakeda.

[PG_Blitzer]

eMakeda works well as does pMorghoul, you'll need to buy a Bronzeback to make those two shine.

[Dragi]

Just with what I have what would be some decent lists with eMakeda for 15-35pts.

[Triumph Of Man]

I really enjoy Xerxis, he's a great match up for Legion.

Except Saeryn.

[THEMONK]

At 35pts level I´d suggest this list:

Points: 33/35
Supreme Archdomina Makeda (*5pts)
* Basilisk Drake (4pts)
* Cyclops Savage (5pts)
* Molik Karn (11pts)
* Titan Gladiator (8pts)
Paingiver Beast Handlers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts)
Praetorian Swordsmen (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Praetorian Swordsmen Officer & Standard (2pts)

and for the last 2pts I´d add an agonizer.

This list would (in my eyes at least) be even be a little better than just decent.Having some really nice tricks:
- Molik Karn Bullet with a range of 18" up to 22"(with sidestep)
- Drake with future sight and up to 19" range
- devastating Swordsmen Featturn, perfect for infantry clearing (feat + perfect strike + sidestep + maybe vengance move)
At 15pts Tooth and Claw you have not really an option, it´s just Molik Karn and the Gladiator.

[Dragi]

Thanks for the list. I now I just have to buy the Swordsmen UA and an Agonizer or another 2pt solo. I was thinking the Extoller Soulward.

[THEMONK]

The Swordsmen UA is makes them so much better by bringing the mini Feat and Sidestep, you won´t regret that buy.
For the 2point solo you are right, that the Soulward is an option, however imho in this list the agonizer has more to offer to you.
If things are not going terribly wrong, you will deliver the alpha strike (most of the time with molik karn). By shutting down enemy jacks or weakening enemy beast you can minimize retaliation.

[ghostmachine]

as a newish skorne player the main locks that i run are
emakeda
ehexeris
hexeris is by far the best lock for me
i do run him with aptimus marketh a have most of the same models you do
the best buy is the swords ua it is amazing how much better they get

[Dragi]

Why is the swords ua so good besides giving them side step? Would aptimus marketh be a good investment for eMakeda?

[THEMONK]

Information on the UA can be found here:
- battlecollege
- Tactica-Praetorian-Swordsmen-UA

Marketh has not so much to offer to eMakeda. He shines brightest when you have upkeep spells that you want to cycle or supporting spells like ghost walk.

[PG_dungeongod]

Why is the swords ua so good besides giving them side step? Would aptimus marketh be a good investment for eMakeda?

The mini feat of auto-one-damage gives you a nice type of "anatomical precision" against single-wound infantry. With side-step, they can really chew through a lot of heavy armor infantry very quickly, and end up getting out of the way of your infantry behind them to come through to the second wave infantry.

[Dragi]

Since I'm short on funds at the moment I'm getting pHexeris and the Swordsmen UA. I have a tourney coming up soon and I'm using eMakeda as my first caster mostly likely run THEMONK's list except a Brute or another Savage instead of Drake. What would be a good 35pt pHexeris list with my models?

[THEMONK]

I would really advice you to use the drake. He is a excellent tool for clearing chargepaths, esp. with future sight from the savage.

For the pHexeris list you don´t have really much options. As you are using Molik Karn with eMakeda, you will have to use all your models with pHexeris and than you will have 4 more points to spend. (here the agonizer and the extoller could be beneficial) However you can play it as a tier 1 list. So the swordsmen can start the game with Death March and the brute with soul slave.

[various]

eHexeris seems to be a bit better than his prime version: i prefer his spell list and his Feat is easier to resolve as well as being more useful. By the look of it eHexeris is probably better at mauling infantry as his weapon has the Thresher ability built in. He also has the positively awesome spell 'Black Spot', one of the few spells Skorne has that debuffs the opponent as well as generating more attacks (potentially). On top of that he's Fury 7 so his control area is fairly large by anyones standards, although this applies to both versions. i just got eHexeris and i already think that he's awesome, the model is also pretty fine too.

[Dragi]

How would Hakaar be in THEMONK's list? I'm trying to be cheap at the moment.

[Sanctjud]

Well, he said he had 2 points left at the end, you need to find 2 more points to drop to fit Hakaar in.
Only thing to drop is Savage or Drake, Drake gives some much welcomed ranged/spray, so Savage is likely candidate.

Which means you have 3 points spare...maybe throw in TyComm if you have that?...

[Dragi]

Beast Handlers or Swordsmen UA. The beasts are staying. How well does Hakaar work the eMakeda and e or pHexeris?

[Sanctjud]

eMakeda + Hakaar means a pretty decent threat range and boosted hits on feat turn to just focus on buying attacks with souls (double dipped with Vengeance from Swordsmen).
eHexy + Hakaar means some decent quantity of attacks with black spot on the target and Hakaar offers his combo strike for a hard hit.
pHexy + Hakaar means, again, a single heavy hit, double dipping with souls of a unit with Deathmarch (friendly faction unit I mean), minor bonus, theme list, Hakaar can Advance Move to catch up to Advance Deployed Swordsmen.

[Dragi]

Is Hakaar worth his pts with the models I own. I may pick up the Swordsmen UA with Hakaar this weekend or next.

[Sanctjud]

Hakaar is a sweet model.
Decent rules and interactions with the warlocks and units.
Worth 4 points? I don't think I am qualified to give an answer on that. I only use Hakaar with pHexeris in his theme list. He's ok there, but pretty variable performance so far.

[Dragi]

Should I get Hakaar now and wait on the Swordsmen UA?

[THEMONK]

Hakaar is a real nice model. However I would absolutely advise against dropping the beast handlers or the swordsmen UA. There are a bunch of models which are more versatile to use: Agonzier, TyCom, Extoller, Marketh, Orin Midwinter (Minion)

All of these will fit in most skorne lists, bringing significant benefits.

[Dragi]

At 35pts which casters like to run all beasts? Is eMakeda one of them?

[THEMONK]

If you really mean all beast, so just warlock and beast. Than I can´t give you any advice, because I don´t like playing Tooth and Claw too much. If you mean beasty heavy (so warlock , many beasts and some support model). Than I would say best warlocks for that are eMakeda, pMorgul, Naaresh.

[Dragi]

I mean both. I have a Claw and Tooth tourney coming up and running beast heavy which you are already explained Thank You. At least I have 2 out of 3 of those warlocks.

[Triumph Of Man]

eHex and pHex are good at clearing infantry, which is pretty useless in Tooth and Claw.

Go with pMorg or eMak, they're good beast casters and are good for mobility or just getting the beasts to smash heavy targets. pMorg is probably the best at low points tbh, as he gets 7 warbeast points.