Help me 'get' Rhyas.

[DigiDjinn]

ive just started playing warma-hordes & i loves rhyas for the "ninja" aspect. she is a cheap addition to ur army to give her a try.
ive been running w a 15point angelous, hellion, 2x raek combo & have had awesome results (5-0).
i agree w church, since she runs w her beasts, she does have a hard learning curve but if you can figure out your zerg turn shes deadly (super solo).

[Madhiggins]

one thing about Rhyas that's pretty nice, her No Quarter tier list(which as far as i'm aware are considered tournament legal, so should be usable in any kind of game) is pretty easy to follow, includes models you'd likely take with her anyways, and gives you a free swordsman UA. and a tier list that has models that don't blow and gives you a free 3 points is pretty snazzy if you ask me.

[alchahest]

I play rhyas midfield. I don't use her to try to assassinate casters, that's not what she's built for. She facilitates a massive feat turn, even within a small control area - she loves having a carnivean around (rapport'd carnivean two handed throwing a juggernaut at the grotesque you flew up to engage sorsha from the other side, knocking her over as it hits the grot, then teleporting to B2B with the knocked down jack, taking your free attack against sorsha, then buying up five more. and that's just one of the things her feat can do)

[church1503]

I hold the record in my local game store for most damage dealt. I hit Sorcha for 38pts of damage with Rhyas. lol

[Obeisance]

I hold the record in my local game store for most damage dealt. I hit Sorcha for 38pts of damage with Rhyas. lol

Hm. So P+S 12. Double damage exceeding ARM on a crit. Sorscha is ARM 15. Dice -3.

12+24=36 (P+S+max 4D6)
36-(15+3)=18. (Max-ARM+3)
18*2=36 (damage*2)

Charge, hit, crit, 6,6,6,6 for damage. Most you can do is 36.

Strength buff? Kiss?

[church1503]

She had Kiss on her. Gotta love Blackfrost Shard.

[Obeisance]

Sorscha sits in 12-13" with zero focus.
Shard rolls 8+ to hit with Kiss.
Rhyas hits on a 7+ with a crit (or 9+ if there's a Dog)
Then rolls 6,6,6,6 for damage.

The stars certainly aligned for that one. =p

[church1503]

lol yes they did. There is a picture of the dice roll somewhere. But I'm not complaining.

[dunce002917]

just a theoryHordes, can you imagine Rhyas casting Rapport on a Gargantuan? scary...

[SteakAndSpirits]

Rhyas runs out of steam at higher point totals, where her damage output doesn't impact the game the same way it does at smaller totals where she can zip in, slice something up, and then sprint back out. That said, even at 35 points it isn't impossible to win with her, though you may feel like you will be at the mercy of your dice coming up crits at key moments.

Contrary to a previous poster, I think that Flight as an animus for Rhyas is absolutely useful for two reasons. The first is the obvious: Rhyas needs the ability to navigate through rough terrain. The second may be less obvious: A Rhyas list typically has sufficient melee damage output generated from the swordsmen it will include, who slaughter both infantry and warnouns alike. It lacks a credible ranged threat, however, which can be adequately shored by with the inclusion of a Bolt Thrower. Add a Ravagore for a well rounded, credible ranged threat, and a good target for Rapport. Then two-handed throw a model in to KD a key target that you want Rhyas to demolish before sprinting away.

She's "terrible" in the hyperbole ridden internet community sort of way. That is to say, she's definitely not the best, and she probably won't be winning any major competitive events, but most of us will probably be fine playing her from time to time.

(Plus she's an awesome ninja. Who killed a dragon. wtfpwnw00tw00t)

-s&s

[JosephKerr]

Personally, I prefer a Seraph to a Bolt Thrower. The Seraph adds 2" to your threat range all the time, while the Bolt Thrower adds 3" or so some times. Also, Flight is one less Fury for Rhyas, while SS costs her nothing. Finally, the Bolt Thrower has 2" more range, but it knocks what it's shooting at further away, making it damage you can stack some times but not always. I think when the Naga comes out and you'll want Wraithbane on Rhyas, it may be more useful to take the Seraph instead. Really, the Naga is should change the view of the Bolt Thrower.
EDIT: Flight really wins out vs. flat, rough terrain that is not a Forest. Against a linear obstacle, SS gives u a 9" threat over said obstacle, which you can Dash if u have to get another, while the Flight Animus gives you 10"/11" and a charge. It's very useful if you have to get the charge damage in or it's just that far away, otherwise a full boat of Fury and SS/walk 7" could be as useful. In the situations I've been in, the extra 2 points for a Seraph has been more useful. Combining the two is a good plan, but I'd rather have a Naga over a Bolt Thrower.

[church1503]

That is the major miss interpretation when thinking about running Rhyas. She doesn't have to be trying to assassinate casters, while yes she is great at it. But giving a full unit of swordsmen with the UA Dash on her feat turn is stupid. That is 12 weapon masters with immunity to free strikes, an extra melee attack from the feat, B2B teleporting, Overtake and Cleave. Trust me it is devastating.

[church1503]

That is the major miss interpretation when thinking about running Rhyas. She doesn't have to be trying to assassinate casters, while yes she is great at it. But giving a full unit of swordsmen with the UA Dash on her feat turn is stupid. That is 12 weapon masters with immunity to free strikes, an extra melee attack from the feat, B2B teleporting, Overtake and Cleave. Trust me it is devastating.

[Alexwheeler]

I 2nd this, also to go along with this if you fail to kill that caster which is a 30/70 (success/fail) rate ur going to die next turn.

I find it easy'r to keep her back just enuf to make ur opp think she doesnt have a charge on him next turn, which you don't want her too. Running the throne with her on feat turn has a 20" threat rng from placement on a large base.

2" SS + 8" charge +4" chain weapon +2" place off large model +4" chain weapon again = 20" that your opp didn't see comming! But of course u need a spot to put the throne b2b with the model charged but I've had it work on p sorscha and ended up killing her. Being maxed on tokens before charge and with 4 attacks from feat gave be 3 attacks boosting to hit to kill her.

[ViperClaw]

I've been playing her a bit and she does have her weaknesses. But she does have her pluses as well. Better against Hordes with reaving Fury from warbeast she finishes off--she usually can't kill a fresh heavy on her own and you are generally a fool if you try it.
If you are playing a low focus/fury lock/caster (5, maybe 6) you can sprint to the caster or simply end your activation base to base with the caster. If they miss (they will need to boost to hit her reliably) she hits them. This is very situational and can leave yourself open to attacks from other models nearby but with careful placing you may be safe (for a bit).
Don't forget she has Perfect Balance (no CMA or CRA). Much harder for normal infantry to hit her on thier own without buff/debuff up.

[W0lf]

Shes awesome.

Play her because you love her, not to win.

I also agree that 35 pts and lower is where to play her. She can nuke things and sprint back which can swing the game. Dont try make assasination with rhyas plan A, use it to distract the oppknent and deny parts of the board to them.

[P3rsist3nc3]

I was playing a pairs tourny with a pdenagra partner and against a harbinger and i wacked for 50 damage with rhyas. dennys feat crippling crasp plus kiss and crit with rhyas and 6,6,5,4 getting the most damage dealt in one attack at my lgs. but with rhyas i use him to solo hunt and let beast and units take care of key components of my opponents army and then catch them off guard with a c-rex or a scythean and rip them with feat throw or feat slam and wreck everything else or for the win.

[church1503]

There is a problem with that 20" Throne attack. Thrones can't be placed, so they do not benefit from her feat teleporting. They do however get the additional melee attack which gives it four initial attacks.

[Northern Ronin]

There is a problem with that 20" Throne attack. Thrones can't be placed, so they do not benefit from her feat teleporting. They do however get the additional melee attack which gives it four initial attacks.

Battle Engines may be placed.

[Madhiggins]

battle engines can be placed. you might be thinking about the new colossus and gargantuan rules which doesn't allow you to place. the only restriction on battle engines is they can not be slammed, pushed, thrown, knocked down or made stationary.

[MinaFangirlOfEverblight]

rhyas will shine a tiny bit more when we FINALLY get our succubus... i may buy a second rhyas just to mod a sister of battle head to her ^^;

[kalkyrie]

Rhyas could be an interesting counter to Colossals.
In particular the "I'm going to stick my caster behind two Colossals at 35pts, and laugh" tactic.

[Feat a heavy or two next to their caster. Possibly after first feating some Warmongers/Throne/Rhyas there to clear a landing zone].

[Trygle]

Rhyas could be an interesting counter to Colossals.
In particular the "I'm going to stick my caster behind two Colossals at 35pts, and laugh" tactic.

[Feat a heavy or two next to their caster. Possibly after first feating some Warmongers/Throne/Rhyas there to clear a landing zone].

The limitations of the feat are not easily overcome, through clever planning you can make it so that the placement portion of the feat is easily under control. If you plan to use the placement offensively, you will need to apply more resources to insure that you can pull it off.

Though the prospect of teleporting a solo across the side of a colossal is a very appealing one.


We don't have many combat solos now though...