2x 35p Lists for a Deathclock Steamroller

[PG_kerensky]

Put together two lists to use tomorrow at a Deathclock tournament. Looking for thoughts and any tips that might help me play them.
Not so sure about my Kaelyssa list as it doesn't feel as focused as my Ossyan list, BUT I wanted to try something different.

List 1: Kaelyssa
Kaelyssa, Night's Whisper
- Phoenix
Arcanist
Max Sentinels + UA + Souless
Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen
Mage Hunter Assassin
Mage Hunter Assassin
Max Mage Hunter Strike Force + UA

REIN: Stormfall Archers, Battle Mage Magister

List 2: Ossyan
Lord Arcanist Ossyan
- Hypnos
- Discordia
- Sylys Wyshnalyr
Max Invictors + UA
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution
Mage Hunter Assassin
Mage Hunter Assassin

REIN: Min MHSF + UA


Give me whatever help you can think of.

Luke

[PG_Zeddy]

Well for the ossy list I would drop Sylys(let him go with kae she needs him more) and I would replace disco with a Banshee for the control you can get with hypno and the shee.
So I have run something like
Lord Arcanist Ossyan (*6pts)
* Banshee (10pts)
* Hypnos (9pts)
Dawnguard Invictors (Leader and 9 Grunts) (10pts)
* Dawnguard Invictor Officer & Standard (2pts)
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts) (5pts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts)
Mage Hunter Assassin (2pts)

It works well with the KD from the shee or bolt from ossy helping the SFA hit those targets and they can also bomb aoe for stealth.

For the kae list I like it but I wouls sub one MHA out for Sylys and I have had alot of fun with Min Nyss hunters coming on for REIN but what you have is pretty strong to

I also have a 35pt deathclock tourny coming up and if I am playing I would play these 2 casters to so let us know how its goes.

[joelker41]

I actually tend to run 2 heavies with Kaelyssa in 35. I am not a huge fan of MHSF with her in 35 as she has no direct support for them, in 35 having them as solo or middling infantry killers can be kind of unnecessary.

The Fans Knight is a fun addition, and I always approve of 2 MHAs. I would suggest you try taking out the MHSF in Kaelyssa's list and put in a Banshee. The knockdown gun can set up some prime assassination vectors and in deathclock activating one Myrmidon over 11 MHSF that can have a hard time hitting will be a huge time saver. Wailing can also give you some really strong anti-infantry tech in addition to being a powerful melee weapon.

[PG_Zeddy]

Another combo for Kae I was thinking about would be two jacks being a banshee and Chimera for the node but I have not played it yet but would be interesting to see. The MHSF are great with backlash vs Jacks and WM and while they do lose a little power vs Hordes they can still kill infantry and support solo's(Fury etc) or make a great unit to run and engage models if needed while the rest of your army gets to the fight(Vs Legion).

[PG_kerensky]

Bombed, and bombed badly today. The lists I took.

LIST ONE
Kaelyssa, Night's Whisper
Banshee
Phoenix
Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker
Dawnguard Sentinels (Leader and 9 Grunts)
Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard
Soulless Escort
Arcanist
Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen
Mage Hunter Assassin

LIST 2
Lord Arcanist Ossyan
Banshee
Hypnos
Dawnguard Invictors (Leader and 9 Grunts)
Dawnguard Invictor Officer & Standard
Stormfall Archers (Leader and 3 Grunts)
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution
Mage Hunter Assassin

GAME 1: Kaelyssa vs eKaya
Went for the assassination but due to giving the Phoenix one too many focus then it needed, was unable to boost any shots and left her on 2 hit point. Then ate a Warpwolf to the face.

GAME 2: Ossyan vs Zerkova
Fouled up my targettng and after getting hurt by her feat forgot about watcher and my MHA died to a Destroyer trying to go for the kill on a wounded Zerk. After that she plugged off Ossyan.

GAME 3: BYE

GAME 4: Ossyan v Harkovich
Forced my opponent to split his all Jack force between objectives and took down his jacks peicemeal to lure caster out from behind cover. Eiryss forced him out turn before and ran my MHA in behind Hark and used Banshee momentum shot to slam him into her for extra dice that brought him down. Not sure who gets the caster kill, the MHA or the Banshee (LOL)

GAME 5: Ossyan v Mort T4 list.
Opponent was a regular of mine, knew exactly what he needed to do, went first, got into my face to force my hand and squared out Ossyan for the kill My only saving grace was a turn one charge by my MHA to one shot a Stalker.

OVERALL: Very dissapointed with my performance. The limited meta in my area plus a lack of activity in previous weeks hurt my skill level but its probably more likely I just lack the skills neccassery to play in the current enviroment. MK1 I came out with alot of tourny wins/high placing with my Protectorate and since then attempts with Trollbloods and Retribution have left me sucking. Bottom line: Time to go back to the basics and build up my skill level from scratch. New lists, use all the casters and start playing smarter gameplans.

SIDE NOTE: Deathclock is a fantastic tournament type and shall be playing more of it in future.

[PG_Zeddy]

What would you change in the lists that you played??
I think they would both need alot of play before the tourny to get the feel of the way it plays.

[PG_kerensky]

Ossyan List: -Stormfall Archers +Issyen. Needed more melee punch. I play Ossyan alot and just didn't have enough firepower to get the job done. The Stormfalls didn't do much ingame compared to the Invictors, but expanding to 50 I'd probably spend the extra points on more support. Some Arcanists, a D-Thane, maybe an Aspis for protecting Ossyan, then 4 points of melee (another MHA, maybe a Scyir to stick with Jacks.

Kaelyssa List: Being the first time I've really brought her to the party, I'd rather spent some time fleshing out this current build before I pass further judgement. I'm going to expand to 50p and tempted to give the Sentinels a Daemon for support, add another MHA and maybe use last 4p on either a Destor Thane or another Arcanist and Narn.